I am not at all socialist

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At the risk of sounding a bit anarchist (please don't get hung up on that term--it just means someone who believes in a government that is very minimal to absent), I am not a proponent of socialist programs. The government-funded safety nets that bail out businesses when they fail and people when they bankruptcy are objectionable to me. Welfare, Medicare, and social security will also find no love from me. It isn't about the money. I'd be willing to voluntarily continue funding such programs, but to be forced into it--to have it be a mandated activity--makes it an involuntary socialist enterprise. National healthcare? No thanks.

Young people often call such anti-socialist and anti-communist ideas heartless. I call it proper. It's how this country started. Older people often understand me.

How does this compare to you? If you consider it normal, tell me about your free-market supporting ideals. If you don't consider it normal, please let me know about your communist ways so that I may contrast myself with them.

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  • Bazaza
    15 years ago

    fu.ck capitalism spread the wealth

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    • C99432
      15 years ago

      go get a job, loser

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  • [Old Memory]
    15 years ago

    your a person with probably enough money to pay for health care and food and etc. so of course you dont care.

    government programs are helpful so that people who dont have that don't die when they get sick, and they dont starve if they lose their jobs

    so your just a lazy pathetic person who doesn't know what it's like to be poor. go to africa and be born their with your parents having died of aids and eating garbage, while lazy losers like you grow up with opportunity

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    • C99432
      15 years ago

      "government programs are helpful so that people (...) dont starve if they lose their jobs"

      I am sorry, but if one loses jobs, it simply means that he is not as competent as others who don't. This is HIS fault, not the country's, so the state has NO responsibility to help manage his incompetency.

      "so your just a lazy pathetic person who doesn't know what it's like to be poor... lazy losers like you grow up with opportunity"

      If he is really a lazy ass, he WILL be poor, guaranteed. Inversely, if you strive, you will be rich. Pls don't bullsh*t that poors always stay poor. YOu are in USA, and you do have the chance. But if you dont cherish it, TOO BAD. You deserve a miserable ending then.
      No one will forcefully grab $ from you, but one must assume TOTAL responsibillity to oneself. This is the ideal society for me.

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      • kitchen.witch
        12 years ago

        "one loses jobs, it simply means that he is not as competent as others who don't. This is HIS fault"/"if you strive, you will be rich"

        this is NOT true. many very hard and very good workers are laid off everyday because companies can't afford to pay all their workers in this recession. i know a few lawyers who worked their asses off in law school and were laid off and can not find work, and not because they are lazy. jobs are hard to get right now even with degrees and experience.
        and though it is possible for poor people to rise to the top it is SO much harder. rich people have more opportunities from birth. from affording tutors in school, to affording a prestigious colleges/grads schools, they are set up for success, where poor people have to work 10 times harder to get there. and don't bullshit me about scholarships because everyone is looking for scholarships and their is not enough money to go around.
        you clearly have never had money issues, which is fine, but please don't judge people who come from a different finical world. you have no idea what kind of struggles and set backs come along with being poor. opportunities for success are not equal in the US between the finically lucky and those who are less fortunate despite how hard one works.
        also the government should step up and help. what about the disabled, widowed parents with multiple kids to feed? should we just let them starve and die because you consider them "to incompetent"?

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    • [Old Memory]
      15 years ago

      Your fucking right. Assholes like this should be forced to see the other side of the issue. Strip them naked and leave them on the streets see how you like them apples.
      P.S. There is no such thing as a "free market" in America.

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  • Footfan_90
    15 years ago

    So the scale now skips straight from conservatism to communism?

    UR A SMART KID.

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    • [Old Memory]
      15 years ago

      lol

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  • WarLord
    15 years ago

    I am a die hard capitalist myself. However, you need some balance to ensure that the gap between rich and poor don't grow ever wider. Otherwise you'll end up in a situation where people are either filthy rich or dirt poor.

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  • Vampgirl
    13 years ago

    I live in South Africa and now they want to instill National Health Care as well but get this, I am forced to pay a certain amount of money to go to a Government Hospital that sucks - all the Government Hospitals in this Country is pathetic not to mention the uneducated doctors that work there if you go there you die! These hospitals can be better if our taxes were spent on supporting these hospitals and employing better doctors etc. But nooooo while people are dying due to lack of poor health care the Government officials are driving around with brand new Mercedes Benz's and flying off in their private jets to Paris to do shopping with the tax money we pay - these people earn more in one month that a Government Hospital doctor earns in 3 years and that's no lie! Its no wonder all our good doctors leave this country for better oppurtunities elsewhere, I would too! In the meantime, the black community that actually works here live off free electricity, gets free housing and gets a certain amount of money for every child they have to support it (and these people actually get themselves pregnant just to get this money) all of this yet again from my taxes! And now if I want to go to a private hospital I have to get a private medical aid and still pay for National Health Care eventhough I will never ever be visiting a Government hospital! So don't come to me with your African bullshit! Cause I'm so sick of hearing about it!

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    • Vampgirl
      13 years ago

      Don't get me wrong I love my country but I hate the Government it will always be depicted that us white people in South Africa are oppressing the blacks, yes in the past they did but now 99 percent of the Government is black and these people are oppressing their own race they just don't give a shit about them only about how much money they can get their hands on...I'm all for peace and I'm not a racist those days are long gone but I refuse to pay for something that doesn't benefit me in the long run! I feel for the poor balcks in this country but if Government only spent our tax money in the right and proper way then the poor people will have decent Government hospitals to go to....almost all of our SPCA offices are also closing down now due to lack of funding cause Goverment stopped supporting them and it makes me so sad to know that the animals in this country soon won't be looked after as well! Where is all our money going to? And now they want us to pay more, for what? The rest of the world never knows these things all they hear of is the poor african people being oppressed and dying of aids and its not our fault its our Government theur own people the people they voted for! Our Goverment even wanted to stop in vitro drugs from being used its outragous - do you blame me for feeling like this?

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  • CountryRoads
    13 years ago

    You're mature. You'll find that many people agree with you, and also you'll feel vindicated, if you read books by Glenn Beck (not as radical as Jon Stewart portrays) and Karl Rove. It's common sense to believe that government can't save you, or spend it's way out of debt. A 5 year old can figure that out; just look at The New Deal, or any FDR program, or anything handled by progessive democrats.

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  • sherry
    13 years ago

    Rent the movie, "One Percent". It's worlds richest men discuss the folly of concentrating all of the money in the hands of a few. They explain it best. It hurts the global economy if wealth is concentrated. And yes, the rich would get richer if wealth is shared. It's not socialism but providing opportunities for education and training. No welfare.

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  • fivetwozero
    14 years ago

    "Political science was actually quite fun."

    Exactly why it's worthless degree.

    I agree with everything you said by the way. I'm a cold capitalist, I embrace rational selfishness and I could care less about moral perspectives, emotions don't directly drive a 14 trillion dollar economy. Rather, discussing ethical positions, maybe these type of discussions should focus on the economic aspects of the welfare state? To spread the wealth among every individual effectively you will need a centrally planned economy? Correct? Well how can we continue to develop prices in such an economy? We just exhausted our economic indicators, such as: profit.

    So I continue to ask any socialist, leftist, or progressive how will the state generate prices? Al Gore's, Lucky Numbers, system?

    It's completely normal. Thanks for the quick refresher, there are still some capitalists out there, phew.

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  • ChestyLarue
    14 years ago

    I studied political science at university whilst I was in high school.
    I do not by any means agree with the way the Governments of today are running things.
    However, I don't agree with your view either.
    Programs such as Medicare and Welfare are not just there to help people who have made the wrong decisions in their lives and thus landed themselves in a position where they need it.
    Plenty of middle income and high wealth citizens benefit from these programs as well. Particularly from Medicare.
    I am a student, I also have medical issues relating to things that did not come about out of choices I made. Without a national health system and welfare system, I'd not be living the life I am today.

    The main thing to remember when one gets into politics is balance.
    There is no point crapping on with some bullshit if it's not going to be balanced.
    And although your views might seem to work well in your head, they are most certainly not suited to today's society.
    There will never be a political system that will please everyone. So I suggest you suck it up sweetheart, and get on with your life.

    Cheers.

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  • [Old Memory]
    14 years ago

    Take a course in political science.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      14 years ago

      You just assume I haven't. Political science was actually quite fun.

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      • [Old Memory]
        14 years ago

        You'd never know it reading your post.

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  • tylerricci
    15 years ago

    The day you work your first job and receive your first real paycheck - just see how much your government is stealing from you.

    Read about anarcho-capitalism, libertarianism, and various other forms of state-less capitalism.

    Capitalism does fail - when the state over-regulates and "saves" capitalism.

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    15 years ago

    Oh yes, heaven forbid I not be a communist. I'm not wealthy by any means. I just have enough integrity to deal with my own problems instead of feeling entitled to programs that serve to protect me from my own bad decisions in life. We live in such a fucking bubblewrapped society. It's sick, and many of you show me how pathetically dependant we've all become on handouts.

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    • [Old Memory]
      15 years ago

      The richest country in the world has no right not to provide "hand outs" to its citizens when they throw trillions away on defense contractors, wars and tax cuts for the corporations. The gap between the wealthy and the poor is inexcusable. While some struggle from pay check to pay check others cruise in ships around there own islands. It is high time to initiate some form of dekulakization.

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    • C99432
      15 years ago

      I can't f**king agree with you more, man!!!

      In Canada so many ppl just rant about all the lefty bullsh*t like:

      Poors naturally have reasons, riches are (by definition) filthy
      blacks are (always) innocent, whites are born to be bad
      Women are oppressed, men are guilty
      when you are loser, you can blame the society, blame the school system, blame the gov, blame the cops... except blaming yourself being a loser

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  • NeoFalcon
    15 years ago

    The problem with US investment banks is the lack of regulation.

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  • [Old Memory]
    15 years ago

    yeah, the current situation (in the US, anyway) is a combined result of deregulation in financial markets, too much wealth concentration, and short sighted sensibility on the part of our leaders at every level.

    now some in the US congress want further tax cuts and deregulation.

    Good idea. I'm an alcoholic. Give me that bottle of JD. Goddammit I'll just drink myself sober.

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