How can you still be pro-gun

I get people want to protect themselves, it's in the second amendment, and that it's such a huge political thing now, but how can you still be pro-gun after all the mass shootings happening. I've heard arguments with "people die in car crashes all the time," "it's the person not the gun," which both are right, but shouldn't we be doing something to prevent this from happening in America? Why is it an argument that "people still die still" valid? Shouldn't we be taking precautions in any case where people die?

Most pro-gun people are also pro-life from my own personal data, then why aren't you being pro-life about people who are actually alive right now. The second amendment was written 200 years ago, and guns weren't as powerful at all back then. Isn't it time for a change?

I feel only authorized personnel should be able to own guns. I don't think having guns for fun and hunting is as important as saving innocent lives. We wouldn't need guns to defend ourselves in this extent if they were simply banned in general. Knives, tasers, all of that are still a thing. In other countries that have banned guns the data speaks for itself.

I'm genuinely asking this as someone who sees one view, and I know this is most likely going to stir the pot, but I'm asking just to see the perspective of the other side. I'm open minded to any valid argument. Regardless, I still think this country is great, but I think there needs to be a change.

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  • Ichabuskene

    Until I know kung fu and can Jackie Chan a gun out of your hand, my best protection against a sociopath with a gun, is a gun.

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    • RoseIsabella

      https://youtu.be/bmfudW7rbG0

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    • A-sharp

      I carry a gun from my bed to the toilet. Just in case.

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      • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

        yall needs a shower gun too

        dont be like that chick norman bates stabbed

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      • gaz3912

        I pity you.

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    • This comment has radically changed my views

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      • Ichabuskene

        You're welcome!

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  • bigbudchonga

    What's cold, but objectivly true, is that the mass shootings are statistically meaningless. More people die from diabetes, everyday, in America than from gun deaths. It's just the mass shootings are more emotionally charged. You literally have more chance of being struck by lightning than dying in one of these psycho mass shootings.

    If you detach the emotionally charged aspect of it then the right to defend oneself, coupled with the right to fight off tyranny, massively outweigh something that's less likely to happen to you than being struck by lightning.

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  • RoseIsabella

    I don't own a gun, but if ever I should feel that I need one I want to be able to get a gun. If someone ever truly comes after me I'll be dead before the cops arrive without adequate protection.

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  • altowolf

    Because you can't rely on other people to protect you. Only yourself.

    If someone breaks into your house with the intent to kill you, the police are going to take at least five to ten minutes to arrive - and five to ten minutes is plenty of time for an intruder to murder you. A gun comes in handy.

    While I don't believe civilians need access to powerful weaponry, there's nothing wrong with a pistol, shotgun, or rifle to keep your home and family safe.

    With the millions of guns owned by Americans, its a shame that a few radical incel terrorists are making all gun owners look ludicrous.

    Also; banning guns will just take them from the sane civilians who carry for protection, leaving illegal firearms in the hands of criminals and psychopaths who will continue to murder. It isn't as simple as "take the guns away" because of how easy it is to acquire them illegally.

    Lets say hypothetically that there were truly no guns; not even for criminals.

    If someone wants to murder, they will murder - you'd see knife attacks and stabbings go up, murder by car, acid attacks, poison, etc. As I said, people who want to kill will find a way to kill, regardless of the weapon.

    In my eyes, the people who think civilians shouldn't own guns have never been in the position where they NEEDED a gun! :) I say this politely. I have had my fair share of run ins where if I hadn't had my concealed on me, I would have been in big trouble. Not every place in the states is a friendly place to live.

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  • Nikclaire

    Ok I will be nice and explain it.

    You are not immune from tyranny. The entire world is FULL of it. You arent protected by anyone.

    Lybia, North Korea, Afghanistan, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, China, The USA, Argentina should I continue?

    The second amendment was written to give the Indiviual a chance against oppressive governments. Not mass murdering crazy people.

    Yes it was written 200+ years ago. Guns weren't as powerful but as the governments created more powerful weapons to suppress us, we gained rights to hold those same weapons to stop them. This is the only valid argument.

    Do you know that in the past 100 years the United States government rounded people up and put them internment camps?

    Stop listening to the chafe. Criminals don't obey laws. Terrorists don't obey laws. They don't care about arms control laws.

    They are willing to commit mass murder. Do you think not having a permit will stop them? Please I beg you to use your brain. I really, really do. You sound open minded so use your logic and undertand.

    The world isn't out to get us necessarily, but only YOU can protect yourself and your family. History is repleat with how things went wrong. You just have to look.

    I will end with this. If the starving people of North Korea had assualt rifles in every house, would they still be starving?

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    • Doesnormalmatter

      I wholeheartedly agree.

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    • A-sharp

      Yes, nick, GUNS are NOT the problem.

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  • Doesnormalmatter

    Because people need to be able to defend themselves. Criminals would get guns illegally anyways. The gun violence rate in the US has gone way down since 50 years ago and the population has gone way up. There is no more progress that can realistically be made. Crooks will get guns illegally if they aren't legal anyways.

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  • CozmoWank

    Someone will ALWAYS own guns.
    Guns are insurance that the people have power over the government rather than the government having power over the people. If the people are unarmed, their democracy is a fragile illusion that can be easily shattered.

    The media gives a distorted view of reality. The vast majority of Americans will go their entire lives without ever seeing a shooting in real-life. Every year in America teen drivers kill about 10 times the amount of people than so-called "assault weapons". But we are okay with that. Drunk driving fatalities are almost equal to the number of murders committed with a gun. The anti-gun people completely ignore the number of times guns are used to save lives. The media doesn't talk about that because it doesn't get viewers. Politicians like to play up "gun violence" so you'll vote for them "to keep you safe". I wish all the anti-gun money went to cancer research. It would benefit far more lives.

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  • Flawless

    by being stupid

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  • Sunshinegirl

    Guns are morally neutral. A gun doesn't walk itself into a place. Mass shooting take place in gun-free zones where the people are sitting ducks. Banning guns only serves to disarm law abiding people from defending themselves and their families. Evil people won't obey gun laws anyway.

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  • Handyman

    Because criminals are pro-murder.

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  • Boojum

    Part of the problem is that the US Constitution has been elevated to the status of a sacred document, so lawyers - as well as decent people - argue over every word and punctuation mark as if it was handed down directly from God and therefore will be valid for all eternity.

    Another big factor is fear. As has been highlighted in previous answers here, lots of people justify owning a gun because they are afraid of what might happen if they don't. Psychological studies have found that those with more threat-orientated personalities tend to gravitate to the political right, so many people are heavily emotionally invested in having the right to own a gun.

    There's no chance that the situation in the US is going to change any time soon, and so we will continue to regularly hear about massacres. Even people who don't own a gun and don't want to own a gun will continue to vote for politicians who support gun ownership because that's part of a conservative package and, when it comes down to it, most people are fundamentally conservative in that we tend to be most comfortable if we can believe the status quo we've adjusted to will continue.

    Restriction on gun ownership in the USA is unlikely not because it's impossible to alter the Holy Constitution, but mainly because firearms deaths directly touch relatively few people. Yes, everyone regularly hears about some asshole slaughtering people somewhere. Some part of the population knows that around 40,000 people died in the USA due to firearms last year, and a couple of times that many were injured. A few might even accept that this is one true example of American exceptionalism, in that the USA is unique among all developed countries in having so many firearm deaths. But most of those deaths occur in the socioeconomic underclass, a lot of people fundamentally don't give a shit about those people, and so they just don't see it as their problem to solve.

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    • Bazinga

      Actually, the constitution is not really sacred but has always been elevated to the level of Royalty. Here is the pertinent quote from one of the founding fathers, Thomas Paine.

      "Let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarcy, that in America the law is King. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other.”

      For perspective, the American colonials also had great respect for the Magna Carta. This respect lives on whenever "We the people" is employed as a concept in a national issue like tyranny in governance, States rights, fair market compensation for Treasury bail-outs, and blatant disrespect of both public good and individual rights at no trade off to each other.

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    • McBean

      Just to add an additional point here for our European IINers, is that gun culture can become a bittersweet part of a National Identity. Many families have 200 year old antique flintlock rifles handed down from previous generations mounted over their fireplaces. They look kind of cool actually, and can be a conversation piece on how a certain branch of your family is connected to American history.

      That plus beautiful forests in Canada and parts of the U.S. need to be hunted when the deer population gets too high, lest the next drought cause the starving deer to peel back the bark of trees to desperately stay alive causing the trees to die. Anyway, I'm no zealot, but bolt action hunting rifles available to the public plus a civilian militia like Switzerland has got is my best personal interpretation of the second amendment.

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  • LloydAsher

    "Only authorized personnel should have guns" ok so the cops and the military? This is a good statement from someone who's been living near a bastion of civilization but where I come from it takes a half hour or more to respond to my house even if you are gunning it. Even if it takes 5 minutes the robbers could have killed you in that time. Guns are the great equalizer a female with a gun and a strong man with a gun both register as the same level of threat (that's why you see dumb ass children getting shot over this) a gun is a tool for killing so no matter who has it it has the capacity to harm wether be friend or foe that's why it's up to the gun owner to have responsibility to their weapon.

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  • chuy

    I get your point and I support it but You're asking for a beating from all the brain washed conserbatives on IIN.

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    • LoneGamer

      that's pretty ignorant. give a valid argument, not a insult

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      • chuy

        See what I mean OP?, No body was insulting anyone yet people got offensive...who's the ignorant who got offended by a plain simple comment that in no way was ment as an insult but a fact. This proves my point.

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        • LoneGamer

          Brain washed conservatives isn't an insult? That's like me calling out libtards. No one is brainwashed, an insult isn't a fact. We all have differing opinions and if you cant defend your argument civilly then that shows your maturity. Sending nothing but an insult means that you've already lost the argument. I will gladly have a civil discussion with you over this topic and prove your points wrong WITHOUT the childish insults

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          • chuy

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    why should i suffer cause someone else is a fuckhead?

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  • I live in the UK by the way, I want there to be a law where I can carry a gun for my own protection, people here have started carring knives which is illegal and makes me feel even more unsafe.

    If a kid walks into a school and starts shooting people, it's not because he has a gun, he's going to kill people either way, be it running around stabbing as many as he can, or secretly one at a time.

    How about stop letting kids bully people so they don't turn into that, most of them do it because they feel isolated and left out and are picked on by everyone (for anyone high up, if you're reading this, make bullying punishable, kids should be charged with harrasment as well).

    Maybe guns should be improved, so that they switch off in certain areas? Kinda like a trolly that won't go any futher, and a security guard just in case (500 people, you'd think they should have at least one person watching over all of them).

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  • CozmoWank

    "That rifle hanging on the wall
    of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage
    is the symbol of democracy.
    It is our job to see that it stays there."
    -George Orwell

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