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Do you really believe the social, secular narrative about Homosexuality being normal?
I don't see how it can be. Men acting like women and wanting a hairy guys cock in them is not normal. And you cannot procreate. It doesn't keep with nature. I think it's an anomaly at best and an unfortunate choice at worst
| Deep down, No | 4 | |
| Hell No | 6 | |
| Probably | 3 | |
| Yes of course | 12 | |
| Your a baboon for even asking | 9 |
What kind of normal? By commonality or by functionality? If green eyes are only 2% of the population, they wouldn't exactly be normal. If most bears eat fish but a few only eat berries the few wouldn't be normal, but if they lived in the same quality of life it wouldn't matter really.
I thought I read somewhere that homosexuality has a purpose in nature to care for abandoned offspring as breeding pairs can't afford to???
Im not gay but I was born sterile which isn't normal, but there's nothing I can do about it and I don't think I'm dooming society because of it
No I hear you.
the first thing I do say about the Animal Kingdom comparison, which many people cite now when speaking of homosexuality, is that I think God created holistically different from animals. We are not animals. Animals, from a creationist standpoint, are not on the same level as human beings. They are not.
I do not believe in Darwanism and I am not an Evolutionist. Things do EVOLVE, but not I do not buy into Evolution
We as humans are different entirely. Creates special and apart from animals. I do not know exactly how one becomes a homosexual . I have no interest in condemning them or bashing them. But I do not think homosexuality is what was intended. I frankly find it a total question worth gathering thoughts on. I do not think they were created that way. I know I believe that much. I cannot explain why a 4 yr shows proclivities for it. I don't know why you can tell from the time some kids are 7 that they already have a propensity for that misidentification. Maybe it is a natural breakdown of lifestyle from one generation to the next as we are continually bringing kids into the world in many homes, certainly not all, whom don't have proper role models or only one parent
I don't know. I jus my know that I am not dumb. I am well learned. Which doesn't mean anything in terms of having an evolved mind. I don't accept the premise that only "evolved" minds accept homosexuality and if you don't, the you are thereby myopic.
That is nonsense.
I am saying I don't think homosexually is biologically correct. I think it's a misidentification somehow that does start at a young age.
I'm not saying they had anyway of knowing any better at that age.
I am a recovered alcoholic. I was simply almost primed for alcohol. I never ever ever ever drank alcohol without getting drunk. Not once. Not even when I was younger. I always had the Phenomenon of Craving. Always. I didn't become full alcoholic until my mid20s. I went from 17 until 25 without drinking a drop. By the time I was 32 , I was hospitalized
But I know I wasn't created an alcoholc by God. It's not on Him
I know that much. And I know there are many many MANY other societal ills to harp on aside from homosexuality. But just as a topic you cannot easily address in everyday life, it's worth discussing here
But I do not think it is biologically correct. And I do not think it is right. But I do not believe I should condemn them either
I just don't believe what mainstream society is trying to promote about it either
I do not. It's not a fist pounding insistence that IT IS JUST WRONG. I don't have to have fist pound Nothing like that
I calmly believe just aside from All The Dialogue that it is incorrect. (Let's drop the world 'normal'"
I feel like alot has to do with all the crap that we put in the air, the chemicals we are eating breathing drinking, can actually have a bearing on the genetic makeup of humans and along with the ingesting of all that stuff we are slowly altering our feelings, thoughts and maybe even our DNA . I MAY be way off, but that's my thoughts. And someone doesnt just wake up one day and decide they are lesbian or gay or bisexual. It's a predisposition , even before birth and as they grow it's a matter of them acting on it or not. But jmho.
Any time you hear a "just so" story about why some adaptation or something exists, know that it's bullshit.
Sincerely, a former scientist
I feel like a lot of confusion comes from the word "normal".
When people say "being gay is normal" they mean that it isn't something freaky and disgusting that should be shamed by society. It is love between two people, and no one should be against two consenting adults doing things with each other.
Technically, homosexuality is also not "normal".
There is only a small percentage of the population that identifies as gay (or any of the LGBT+) so technically it is not "in the norm".
As for your comment about it not being in nature, I have to take offense to that. What are you using to ask this question? A computer, most likely. Is that in nature?
What about clothing, or books, or sex toys, or whatever else you can think of?
You shouldn't be repulsed by something simply because it is not "in nature".
(Other animals are gay too. Penguins, lions, rams, etc.)
Please check out the link below for a video that debunks all your "it's just wrong" arguments":
https://youtu.be/5iXA_0MED98
Im not repulsed and I don't wish them ill will. I think it's an affliction. And I do not believe it is just completely normal
But hearing opinions and insights of others is very critical. People don't just talk about this Out Loud in public. And there are ALOT of people who don't buy into "homosexuality is normal" discussion.
They just don't say it. You can insult them or act superior and pious all you want. Act as if you are more "evolved" all you like. But that won't change anything . That never had changed anything
No I hear you.
the first thing I do say about the Animal Kingdom comparison, which many people cite now when speaking of homosexuality, is that I think God created holistically different from animals. We are not animals. Animals, from a creationist standpoint, are not on the same level as human beings. They are not.
I do not believe in Darwanism and I am not an Evolutionist. Things do EVOLVE, but not I do not buy into Evolution
We as humans are different entirely. Creates special and apart from animals. I do not know exactly how one becomes a homosexual . I have no interest in condemning them or bashing them. But I do not think homosexuality is what was intended. I frankly find it a total question worth gathering thoughts on. I do not think they were created that way. I know I believe that much. I cannot explain why a 4 yr shows proclivities for it. I don't know why you can tell from the time some kids are 7 that they already have a propensity for that misidentification. Maybe it is a natural breakdown of lifestyle from one generation to the next as we are continually bringing kids into the world in many homes, certainly not all, whom don't have proper role models or only one parent
I don't know. I jus my know that I am not dumb. I am well learned. Which doesn't mean anything in terms of having an evolved mind. I don't accept the premise that only "evolved" minds accept homosexuality and if you don't, the you are thereby myopic.
That is nonsense.
I am saying I don't think homosexually is biologically correct. I think it's a misidentification somehow that does start at a young age.
I'm not saying they had anyway of knowing any better at that age.
I am a recovered alcoholic. I was simply almost primed for alcohol. I never ever ever ever drank alcohol without getting drunk. Not once. Not even when I was younger. I always had the Phenomenon of Craving. Always. I didn't become full alcoholic until my mid20s. I went from 17 until 25 without drinking a drop. By the time I was 32 , I was hospitalized
But I know I wasn't created an alcoholc by God. It's not on Him
I know that much. And I know there are many many MANY other societal ills to harp on aside from homosexuality. But just as a topic you cannot easily address in everyday life, it's worth discussing here
But I do not think it is biologically correct. And I do not think it is right. But I do not believe I should condemn them either
I just don't believe what mainstream society is trying to promote about it either
I do not. It's not a fist pounding insistence that IT IS JUST WRONG. I don't have to have fist pound Nothing like that
I calmly believe just aside from All The Dialogue that it is incorrect. (Let's drop the world 'normal'"
I don't even know where to start.
Homosexuality and alcoholism isn't a good comparison.
Two consenting adults find one another attractive and start a relationship with one another. They become romantically and sexually involved with one another.
How is that comparable to a horrible addiction?
Do you understand how ridiculous and insulting that would be if people treated straight couples the way they do homosexuals? Comparing a "traditional" marriage to a horrible crippling addiction?
I am seriously doubting that you don't condemn them.
You compared it to a horrible condition; if that isn't directly condemning, you are definitely implying it.
You are telling homosexual people that the way they are is WRONG and that they are WRONG for doing this.
CONDEMNING IS EXPRESSING YOUR DISAPPROVAL OF SOMETHING.That is exactly what you are doing!
You just seem to be doing this because you are disgusted with another type of human being, and so you think that you can justify those feelings by attaching all these words like "unnatural" to it.
You think that these people are wrong to exist as they are.
THESE PEOPLE DO NOT AFFECT YOUR LIFE. WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED WITH WHO THEY LOVE?
It doesn't matter what's normal. You have to let consenting folk do whatever they want with each other.
Oh blah blah. That is not the question. I KNOW you can't stop people. No intention of trying or standing on a picket line with a sign that says God hates Gays. I have a few gay friends. I would never want to hurt their feelings
But I don't buy the narrative. It's not normal. Not at all
LOVE IS EQUAL NO MATTER WHOMST IS PUTTING WHAT THING INTO WHAT OTHER THING!1111
Probably depends on how you're thinking of the word normal.. As practised by the majority (no it's not) or within the range of natural human activity (yes it is).
By definition its abnormal because most people aren't gay. It's a small percentage and therefore abnormal.
Being abnormal doesn't mean it's wrong tho.
I think the definition of normal varies widely on this site tho. Some people think things are normal simply because others do it.
No I hear you.
the first thing I do say about the Animal Kingdom comparison, which many people cite now when speaking of homosexuality, is that I think God created holistically different from animals. We are not animals. Animals, from a creationist standpoint, are not on the same level as human beings. They are not.
I do not believe in Darwanism and I am not an Evolutionist. Things do EVOLVE, but not I do not buy into Evolution
We as humans are different entirely. Creates special and apart from animals. I do not know exactly how one becomes a homosexual . I have no interest in condemning them or bashing them. But I do not think homosexuality is what was intended. I frankly find it a total question worth gathering thoughts on. I do not think they were created that way. I know I believe that much. I cannot explain why a 4 yr shows proclivities for it. I don't know why you can tell from the time some kids are 7 that they already have a propensity for that misidentification. Maybe it is a natural breakdown of lifestyle from one generation to the next as we are continually bringing kids into the world in many homes, certainly not all, whom don't have proper role models or only one parent
I don't know. I jus my know that I am not dumb. I am well learned. Which doesn't mean anything in terms of having an evolved mind. I don't accept the premise that only "evolved" minds accept homosexuality and if you don't, the you are thereby myopic.
That is nonsense.
I am saying I don't think homosexually is biologically correct. I think it's a misidentification somehow that does start at a young age.
I'm not saying they had anyway of knowing any better at that age.
I am a recovered alcoholic. I was simply almost primed for alcohol. I never ever ever ever drank alcohol without getting drunk. Not once. Not even when I was younger. I always had the Phenomenon of Craving. Always. I didn't become full alcoholic until my mid20s. I went from 17 until 25 without drinking a drop. By the time I was 32 , I was hospitalized
But I know I wasn't created an alcoholc by God. It's not on Him
I know that much. And I know there are many many MANY other societal ills to harp on aside from homosexuality. But just as a topic you cannot easily address in everyday life, it's worth discussing here
But I do not think it is biologically correct. And I do not think it is right. But I do not believe I should condemn them either
I just don't believe what mainstream society is trying to promote about it either
I do not. It's not a fist pounding insistence that IT IS JUST WRONG. I don't have to have fist pound Nothing like that
I calmly believe just aside from All The Dialogue that it is incorrect. (Let's drop the world 'normal'"
I don't know why you chose to respond to me with a long diatribe about homosexuality and creationism. You did though, so here are my views.
No one on planet earth knows whether we were created, evolved or put here through some unknown force. We also don't know that we are any different from other animals aside from being blessed with opposable thumbs. Since no one has ever tapped the mind of an animal we simply don't know what they think. Maybe they ponder their existence as well.
As a fellow alcoholic I hold vastly different views than you. I believe I was born an alcoholic. You mentioned never drinking without getting drunk but then say you KNOW God didn't create you that way. Maybe you believe and have faith in that asceration but you do not it to be true. You cannot possibly even know if there is even a God. That's why it's called faith.
Now to the question of homesexuality. The only thing we know is that there has always been examples of it since recorded history and it has always been a minority of the human population. It exists in Humans as well as other species of living beings and as far as far as we know always has. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
You can say it's not biologically correct and yet there it is, present in biology. It therefore can't be incorrect or it would have died out as an anomaly.
I for one could care less if people are gay or straight. What I care about is the distortion of our language and that people shove what they do in the bedroom down my throat. How ridiculous would it be if I set a march downtown to celebrate my heterosexuality and demand certain rights because I prefer to fuck females.
Look. Homosexuality is a minority of the population. It is therefore abnormal, period.
Everything else we discussed is meaningless. I was just bored so I responded.
Your responses are interesting. And thank you. This is not a topic that you can walk around freely discussing so easily anymore. Not from my standpoint. Because we all are supposed to be so sensitive now and those days, there are people that think being OFFENSIVE is the worst thing you can do. I am simply not one of them and never will be.
But I am glad there is a forum like this for these topics and many willing participants
Beings enjoy sex. It feels good. Lust is euphoric. That being said, I strongly believe men were made for women. Is it normal to want/think of same sex genitalia or relations, for some people I think so. But I don't think that being gay was nature's intention. Not to sound all Christian-like, but I kind of think being gay is a temptation, as is lust and desire and whatnot, and that we have to learn to sort out our issues and be happy with what we have. I do think that there is unrealized psychology at play in many instances of homosexuality. I've met numerous gay people with severe prior family issues. My aunt is gay and her mother abandon her when she was a child. I've had gay thoughts and I was molested as a boy. I don't think it's abnormal that there are people in the world who have turned out to be gay, but rather the movement and avocation and waving a rainbow flag...that's the abnormal part. Many won't agree with me and will be upset at my view but it is what it is. I mean the fact that gays refer to each other as tops and bottoms and are often, not always, very promiscuous should say a lot.
I believe homosexuality is normal as it exists in the animal kingdom, but what I dont understand is why gay people usually behave like the opposite sex while there is absolutely no scientific reason for that (sounds more sociological), but that would mean there are scientific grounds to justify the gender and that thus those weren't social constructs. the whole thing is very interesting
No I hear you.
the first thing I do say about the Animal Kingdom comparison, which many people cite now when speaking of homosexuality, is that I think God created holistically different from animals. We are not animals. Animals, from a creationist standpoint, are not on the same level as human beings. They are not.
I do not believe in Darwanism and I am not an Evolutionist. Things do EVOLVE, but not I do not buy into Evolution
We as humans are different entirely. Creates special and apart from animals. I do not know exactly how one becomes a homosexual . I have no interest in condemning them or bashing them. But I do not think homosexuality is what was intended. I frankly find it a total question worth gathering thoughts on. I do not think they were created that way. I know I believe that much. I cannot explain why a 4 yr shows proclivities for it. I don't know why you can tell from the time some kids are 7 that they already have a propensity for that misidentification. Maybe it is a natural breakdown of lifestyle from one generation to the next as we are continually bringing kids into the world in many homes, certainly not all, whom don't have proper role models or only one parent
I don't know. I jus my know that I am not dumb. I am well learned. Which doesn't mean anything in terms of having an evolved mind. I don't accept the premise that only "evolved" minds accept homosexuality and if you don't, the you are thereby myopic.
That is nonsense.
I am saying I don't think homosexually is biologically correct. I think it's a misidentification somehow that does start at a young age.
I'm not saying they had anyway of knowing any better at that age.
I am a recovered alcoholic. I was simply almost primed for alcohol. I never ever ever ever drank alcohol without getting drunk. Not once. Not even when I was younger. I always had the Phenomenon of Craving. Always. I didn't become full alcoholic until my mid20s. I went from 17 until 25 without drinking a drop. By the time I was 32 , I was hospitalized
But I know I wasn't created an alcoholc by God. It's not on Him
I know that much. And I know there are many many MANY other societal ills to harp on aside from homosexuality. But just as a topic you cannot easily address in everyday life, it's worth discussing here
But I do not think it is biologically correct. And I do not think it is right. But I do not believe I should condemn them either
I just don't believe what mainstream society is trying to promote about it either
I do not. It's not a fist pounding insistence that IT IS JUST WRONG. I don't have to have fist pound Nothing like that
I calmly believe just aside from All The Dialogue that it is incorrect. (Let's drop the world 'normal'"
First blush answer. Ever read the book , "Blink"?
My thoughts are... Completely abnormal
The word narrative implies it's a story does it not? Most shit labeled narrative is made up bullcrap, or what we call "news" now 😂😂.
I don't spend much time thinking about it one way or the other.
I don't really care.
Ok stop the philosophical , devils advocate , everything is relative crap. Is it Normal? It doesn't require a whole drawn out nuanced and layered level of thought
Depends on how you're thinking of the word normal.. As practised by the majority (no it's not) or within the range of natural human activity (yes it is).
For gay people homosexuality is normal. For a heterosexual it would be abnormal. For gay people heterosexuality is abnormal.
Why bother worrying about unless you yourself are struggling with same sex attractions or are trying to convert gay people to straight people?
It's kind of like asking if being male is normal or being female is normal.
It's an interesting question ..because it is interesting. I mean, that's all I can say. That's why I use this forum
I struggle with nothing actually. And I ask questions and bring up topics that simply interest me and ones that I hope provoke thought and response.
I hope to get more on this one.
I love this forum. I don't feel bad for asking either. I mean, I would love to believ that this is a genuine cross section of people but.. Frankly most people don't participate in Forums. I think even in this one, which I do like, it leans Liberal. If it were a true even random sampling, I think the numbers would even out
This world is already overpopulated. Why do you care so much about what gay people do. Let them be who they are. Not everyone is going to turn gay. If you think being gay is a choice then try going gay for a week.
All i got to say is who determines what is normal and what is not? Normal is in the eye of the beholder, i guess. Someone can love anime and comics, and people would consider them a nerd, others might not see the appeal of comics and anime but that one person loves it, its their normal. Someone can be a tech genius and that is their normal. Some people see being gay as not normal and others do. This is life. You think its not normal, that's fine, just don't treat others badly and don't act like your better because no one is. I honestly believe the word normal is bullshit. Everyone is a werido, no one is the exact same. People are not black and white, people are all a spectrum of color. WHO WANTS TO BE NORMAL? NORMAL IS BORING. Stand out and shine with whatever makes you happy. Im a gay man. i dont know why i was born this way but i bet im not the only one who is asking that same question. life is a journey of self discovery, so go and discovery who you are.