Does american society make women immature?

I got out of a long term relationship that, as I saw it, when things came together (i.e. finish grad school) we were going to get married. This person was going to be my spouse. Here in lies my question. The parting of ways was due to reasons such as (1) 'no talking', (2)'not being there', (3)'drifting apart.' and (4) stupid stuff like me not 'walking her dog.'

Why did such things happen, b/c at the time (and still happening, I am suppose to be outlining now on a Sunday morning for school instead of writing this post) I was barely able to keep my head up financially (I come from nothing and with luck and hard work am where I am at)and academically.

My thought process is that I was setting 'us' up. That times are difficult now, but, say in three years, things would be much better. The profession I choose pays well, has plenty of time off, and has a good outlook with respect to employment. In this instance, if someone was going to make money, it was me.

Her life led her to a name tag at the mall (nothing against that, I was a mechanic and worked in retail the majority of my life, this is mentioned for the reason that such a career path leads to a 26k dollar salary living with your parents or roommates). I also realize its not all about money, but money is important when you do not have any. I don't want to be rich, I just want a comfortable life for me and my family not living paycheck to paycheck.

As much as I was at fault, and I was at fault as I had my head up my butt, so was she. I am stupid guy, but I was not born yesterday. I know who she was talking to and what she was doing online. At any point she could have put in the hard work to talk to me, to work it out, to go to counseling, to grow together. I will be the first to admit fault and try to improve myself, I am not so narcissistic to think otherwise, but she apparently went off to greener pastures.

And here is the point. Society has imparted upon us, both men and women (although I find it especially true with women) an Idealistic version of what 'love' should be. That we meet our 'Fabio' or 'CPT America' and go riding off into the sunset. Long walks on the beach, love at first site.

Am I wrong to think there is a difference between that initial primal lust and what long term love is? Am I wrong to think that successful marriages are when two people work together to be one and compromise? Do people, especially women, really think that there is this knight on horseback that is going to sweep you away and you'll live in a castle for the remainder of your years in whatever your perfect world and perfect man is?

You have got to be kidding me.

Lust is fucking. Love is an emotional connection that grows and takes, yes I know this is a four letter word, work to mature. I realize there are exceptions in which no work can save a relationship, but in every successful marriage you will hear that with the good times there are bad.

At this point, I am done with American women. I am not sure where else to look. My best friend is from El Salvador. He is my field of study academically and he has suggested I date a Latin woman. Not an American born woman of Latin decent, but a Latin woman from Latin America. He has been here in this country for about 3 years and has expressed similar experiences.

He has set me up with a blind date with one of close friends from Bolivia. I have good hopes as I have talked with her many times for extended periods over the phone the phone and we initially seem to get along great. She seems like a smart girl, a good head on her shoulders, without the pollution that American society breeds into the fairer sex . . .i.e. that love is a snapshot of that one perfect lustful moment when you are in the first throws of meeting someone and all that you can think about is the pulsing loins between your legs.

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  • handsignals

    Whatever!

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  • SuperBenzid

    Well I actually think there is a good point between the lines here however you have termed it in a needlessly divisive way. It is probably because you are still mad about what has happened, which is cool we have all been there.

    There is a princess mentality that is taught through movies and TV to female children that encourages them towards a specific gender role in society. If you don't find yourself a good fit with that gender role you can find yourself sanctioned and disadvantaged by much of society.

    What I would warn you of is that women of other places will very often still have a culturally influenced gender role. It might be a better fit for you but it is still there. You don't get yourself out of the game so to speak merely by dating non-american women.

    My advice is go on the date but learn to educate your partners that these cultural gender roles have been enforced on them and that they can be true to themselves rather then shape themselves to a mold.

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  • dom180

    I don't think one (or even ten, or even a hundred) bad relationship is worth writing off so many potential partners over.

    I also think ethnicity is a very poor predictor of how someone will be in a relationship, so searching for compatibility along ethnic lines is a waste of time.

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  • Holzman_67

    It's hard man but obviously her heart wasnt in it. I wish you well for the future.

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  • thr

    From what you write, I get the sense that her immaturity is evident by her not doing the sensible thing of working things out, e.g., by way of talking things through, and by learning to live live together.

    Immaturity is necessarily the first thing that comes to mind. Breaking off something that isn't working could also be the mature thing to do, instead of clinging on to an idea of two people together.

    I don't mean to offend, but you talk as if making the relationship work is paramount, and her immaturity has played a part in her failure to work to save the relationship. If she has been inclined to give up on the relationship, and decided that there may be better things out there, then questions of maturity may not be so important.

    I think it is a good idea to distinguish between being mature and being a grown-up. Being mature doesn't necessarily mean conforming to the normal roles of adult society. Maturity, for me, has to do with becoming more pragmatic and realistic.

    I'm no expert, but I think long term love has to do with growing together. That may be arduous and still worth it, but it probably shouldn't be forced.

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  • Hamid37USA

    It brings great American shame to give women rights.
    I hope they do not cut off your hand.

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  • 53739

    Whatever you say

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  • Hayze

    I have never been to The United States so I am not qualified to comment about those ladies in particular.

    However, I would like to say that you should just keep meeting people of all sorts and be very open about your goals, ideals and personality. You will find some compatible people eventually. Try not to get caught up in categorizing people. It's not fair to them, or to you. Embrace diversity and understand that yes you may have met the wrong people, but keep looking for the right people without prejudice.

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  • actually we "americans" are "shallow "and "materialistic"

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  • megadriver

    I am sorry to say this, but American society is dumbing down everyone and making them immature. All that dross on tv. All the sugar-coated news and all the other crap they try to get into your head. To make you want to look like idiots on tv. That is why I wouldn't want to live in the US. To visit the US, yes please. The States are a wonderfull country, full with things to see. In terms of flora, fauna, architecture and science! I have american frineds here in Germany and they say that they don't like the States as much (After they have seen Europe's lifestyle for exapmle). The thing is that America sets the playing field (more or less) and the cards for the whole world. So yeah you are right. I lost a girl when I was 18 for the same reason (society standards) I was not being the man she wanted. Somehow for 2 years I was that man, but suddenly I sort of vanished. I had to be some ass from a popular tv series.

    A piece of advice: Screw 'em all! You will find the right girl! She is out there somewhere. Best of luck mate!

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  • Energy

    Lol, wtf dude. You must have bad luck with women. I've never met a woman who wanted a passionate love lusting Fabio fairytale....and I'm very pleased with American women :3 especially because I come from Ukraine, and those women may seem like nice little angels, but damn, are Americans wrong! American women are angels compared to Ukrainians and Russians :P no offense. Just from experience and my personal background. I don't know much about Latin women.

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  • Pinnacle

    Men and women are inherently different, differences that can be quantified and measured scientifically. But society still wants to push this idea of equal benefits, but not equal responsibility.

    Women in America are increasingly being led to believe that they should openly embrace male behaviors and roles yet they will still hold up their shield of femininity when confronted for crimes or uncivil conduct that would otherwise be considered unforgivable for their male counterparts.

    A good example of this is statutory rape. Some female offenders who have molested preteen boys never even have charges filed against them and go as far as taking the accounts of their deeds onto live talk shows. Reverse the genders and people would be jumping off of their seats to bum a rush a man for openly stating he got a 13 year old girl pregnant. However, if it is a woman who got pregnant by a 13 year old boy the audience at most will act mildly shocked. Yet, reverse the gender, and they will rise up to hang that man right where he is.

    Your best bet is to find a woman, somewhere, who actually wants to a be woman, not a man, and is fully in tune with her femininity.

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