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What do you think of entrapment? do you think it's wrong? I personally do.
| Entrapment is so wrong and it pisses me off! | 29 | |
| It's mostly wrong, except for when it involves child predators. | 9 | |
| Only the prostitution stings are wrong. | 3 | |
| Entrapment is a good thing. | 3 |
Entrapment is wrong. It's also illegal, so I suspect you don't really mean entrapment. In any case, I don't much like the thing that you are probably thinking which isn't entrapment but is kind of similar to entrapment, either.
For example, those terrorist plots the FBI comes up with themselves and then thwarts? Real nice work guys...
Shows like 'to catch a predator', are not entrapment, they willingly and knowingly participate in the crime, if a person puts something illegal into your possession and you get arrested by said person, that would be entrapment and you will most likely be let off.
exactly - those predator shows ... they don't force people to commit crimes. those people chose to.
the trick is making sure you're authorized by LEOs first.
One navy guy told me he knew someone who got involved in illegal operations cos he wanted to "out" the other members in the group. unfortunately the sailor hadn't been sanctioned to be undercover so when the group got caught he went to jail like the others.
the guy telling the story though had personally been sanctioned to go undercover for operations like that. so he got to be the one getting the info to bust the others, but himself wouldn't be in trouble because his involvement was authorized
Yep, right you are. Cops trick people like this ALL the time. You need permission (and guaranteed immunity) from the prosecutor or DA. Cops will lie to you and tell you to go buy drugs or whatever to 'reduce your charges' but as you said, they'll watch you go buy the drugs and arrest you right along with whoever sold them to you. People forget, cops are in the business of arresting people, not setting them free. The more arrests, the better they look. There's no such thing as 'off the record' or 'just admit it and we'll help you out and tell the judge you were cooperative', those are THE biggest lies cops always tell.
Many people actually believe cops can't lie to you. That couldn't be further from the truth. If a cops lips are moving, then he's lying.
Eh no. You've gone a bit too extreme on that one. You have some basis but you've taken it into falsehood.
I've been told that they can lie to you but ... I cannot swear that it's true.
But I do recommend you watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
It's a law school video on "Do not talk to cops" Mind you it's long.
Main points - ignore the tv shows where only the bad guys ask for lawyers. If you're being questioned you NEED a lawyer with you.
What you say CAN be used against you in a court of law. It CANNOT be used for you - the court will declare it "hearsay" and refuse to accept the statement.
I've seen both part 1 and 2 of that video a loooooong time ago. I'm not new to this game.
They absolutely CAN and DO lie to you. If you watch the video (parts 1 and 2) you yourself referenced, you'd know that. The detective explains how he lies to people and tricks people (or preys on their ignorance) every time he interviews them.
And nothing I said is false. I know how this shit works. I'm not saying cops make a habit of tricking people into getting arrested (the drug buy example), I'm just saying cops will tell you that you can somehow reduce your charges or be on better ground if you 'rat' on someone. They're just saying that to get free info, they're not going to 'help' you out, they're going to keep you under arrest and whoever you tell on and not give you a damn thing for it. Fact of the matter is, cops don't have that authority to reduce charges once you've already been charged, and they don't have the authority to give you immunity or absolute permission to participate in any UC/informant work. Only certain people can grant you permission and immunity in an undercover operation. Typically a DA, judge, prosecutor. Don't know of anyone else who has the power, besides maybe the president. But I do know for an absolute FACT that cops don't have the power, not at all, not ANY cop.
the sex offenders is one thing, but the prostitution entrapments piss me off so much. i mean seriously, the person is just going about their day, and then someone just attacks them and gets them in trouble. i mean..come on! police can't be that low, even if they are desperate for money and too impatient to catch someone committing a crime on their own...
The prostitution stings usually involve decoy prostitutes.
Therefore the only guilty are the ones who proposition them and then get arrested as soon as there's enough evidence to arrest them for attempting to buy sex.
and if anything if you're talking about arresting a prostitute for peddling sex... most likely they're safer in jail anyway where the pimps can't beat them up for money
That's not true, prostitution stings go both ways. I'd hardly say 'most' are decoy prostitutes, most are probably decoy Johns, it's easier and way safer, so it makes sense that they'd do that more often.
Sometimes they do go up to people who are just minding their own business and instigate trouble. I'm not saying it's right for the guy/gal to take the bait, no, they should say no, but why go around trying to find trouble when the guy/gal wasn't out there trying to find or sell sex? I mean, stick to picking up the ones who are actively selling/buying, not messing with people who weren't even in the market for it in the first place. There's certainly no shortage of people trying to buy/sell sex!! A guy innocently walking down the street, or driving by, gets approached by a decoy....I've seen them actually sit there for a good few minutes trying to convince the guy/gal to bite. Damn, why do that?
actually i personally know someone who was a decoy prostitute.
the older prostitutes were on a first name basis with her cos she left them alone - granted this was back in the 80s. the older ones were glad that she was trying to get the younger ones off the street.
their attitude was ... "we're old at this. it's what we know. but those young girls have a chance to be something else"
but your scenario of an innocent man being approached by a decoy - doesn't matter. if he CHOSES to say "yes" to it then he is no longer innocent.
Hell i know men who have turned them down. dunno if it was a decoy or a real one he just asked her "why should i pay for sex?" she said "for the experience" and he said "no thank you" and walked on.
so if it was a decoy... gee how did he escape? O yes, he said "no" and left. therefore he remained innocent
Exactly where did I say that it was OK to accept the offer of sex for cash? I said exactly the opposite, I said they should just say "NO". I don't know what your point is supposed to be? You just basically repeated half of what I said just in slightly different words.
Other than that, I simply expressed that the cops should just stick to picking up the ones who are obviously looking to buy/sell and not so much pester and proposition a person who is minding their own business. There's no shortage of people selling/buying, why bother people who are minding their own business? I don't like that.
yet you keep going on about how innocent the johns are.
so they fell for a trap... it's still their own fault for falling for it.
sure i know they want to blame the cops and say "i wouldn't have done this if you didn't offer" but... that's just a cop out (no pun intended).
if they are truly innocent they would do what my friend did and replied "no"
it depends on what the entrapment is.
Wrongful entrapment - a girl on my first ship wanted to leave items out because she just "knew" another girl was a thief and she wanted to get that girl punished. The master-at-arms nipped that on in the bud because she had no real proof and her plan would just create temptation.
The right way to to it. A man told me that on one of his ships someone kept breaking into berthing (dorm) lockers during emergency drills. So the next time they had an emergency drill, his boss let someone stay behind hiding in berthing... and when the thief came around and started popping locks off, they caught him.
The trick is to not create the situation but ... to catch someone doing the crime on their own.
however with some exceptions... officially sanctioned undercover operations are fine. even if they set the bad guy up for failure.
cos remember... if you get caught in one of those, it's your own fault for breaking the laws. no one forced you