Do you support pollution laws for vehicles?
| Yes, pollution laws should be as hard and strict as they can be. | 10 | |
| Yes, but within reason. | 8 | |
| Not sure. | 4 | |
| No, I don't believe smoke matters. | 6 |
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wigz
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Cocomilktitties
You don't need proof, only common sense.
Hmm... is is bad if we pump countless tons of materials that are known to be toxic to humans and animals into the air every day by burning it?
Hmm... is it a coincidence that the ozone layer has been weakened or eliminated in areas of the world that are highly populated and/or have a lot of pollutants going into the air? Areas such as cities... with lots of cars... maybe some factories.
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Cocomilktitties
Proof isn't needed, common sense is. We are taking toxic materials out from under the ground and burning countless amounts of tons of it every day. If you breathe exhaust fumes, you cough, choke... it's obviously not good to breathe the fumes for too long.
We pump so much of this into a world full of animals (including us) who are part of an ecosystem. So.. yeah, it's bad. Not to mention that in certain parts of the world, the ozone layer has been weakened or eliminated. I think that's really all the proof you need.
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wigz
Booooooo! Scary 'toxins'!
OK, so by that logic water is toxic and bad because you can choke on it and drown in it. Water kills tons of people and animals every year!
How do you think evolution happens? Is evolution (life adapting to different environments) inherently bad?
The ozone layer is rebuilding and the vast majority of its thinning was caused by CFC's, not vehicles.
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rayb12
Let it burn, fuck it. The world is designed right now to kill itself, farming alone is the worst thing for the environment, and that is like the cornerstone of society.
If you want to help out, you can be a hunter gatherer, every other choice you make you are buying into oppression, capitalism in its worst form, environmental destruction, human trafficking, and impending nuclear war, just to various degrees.
I mean we are victims of these things, but also the perpetuators of them. Something as simple as walking into a building, puts a financial incentive for maintenance of that building, which then puts pressure on operators of slave powered brick kilns in pakistan, that have borrowed money from banks that have left millions in debt, but are then able to repay them with interest to keep the banks in power, and then the tremendous environmental impact of shipping the bricks etc. etc. etc.
Nobody's hands are clean here, save maybe the 5 million people that are hunter gatherer's.
Cars themselves are a tremendous killer, especially when combined with alcohol, but it is farming that layed the groundwork for this, and poses an even larger environmental threat.
The arguments around legislation surrounding this, really has nothing to do with anything other than "politics" since there are currently no measures in place that would actually save the planet.
We can't think about "steps in the right direction" the entire world needs to radically change immediately if we aren't all fucked.
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Ellenna
Definitely! Until Australia introduced strict laws many decades back it was common for vehicles with faulty exhaust systems to spew out black pollution all over the place and there was a lot more lead in the atmosphere before it was removed from standard petrol.
Electric vehicles are a great idea, provided the electricity is produced by renewable means and not dirty coal power.
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wigz
If you're talking about leaded fuel then that's hardly relevant to the question.
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Ellenna
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New-Zealand-Guy
Most of that black smoke you saw from cars back then would have been from old technology diesels. These days diesels have computers on them to keep the engine burning cleanly. That is why you do not see modern diesels blowing black smoke.
Modern petrol cars also burn much cleaner as they also have computers to ensure this. While old petrols did not blow black smoke like old diesels did they had black exhausts. If you look at the exhaust of a modern petrol car it will be clear because modern petrols also burn cleaner than old petrols.
The problem with most electric cars is that they are only any use for city driving. They only get about 100 kms at best from fully charged to flat. This makes them no good for out of town driving. Maybe one day they will improve their range though. In New Zealand 85% of our power is renewable and clean and green and I think they plan to get that percentage even higer so electric maybe good for NZ one day when electric cars have improved.
Toyota now sell cars that run off hygeon gas or however you spell hygeon. It means no polution, you can drive long distances and you do not have to carry around lots of battries.
Sorry I hope you can understand what I am saying about Toyota as it is late in NZ and cant think about how to spell words plus it is hard to type on this phone.
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Ellenna
I'm talking about way back before there were diesel cars and it was only used for trucks.
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New-Zealand-Guy
Oh ok, well the same still applies for diesel trucks. I think pollution laws are a good thing to be honest. While they have pollution laws for new vehicles in Australia Australia does not have anything in place to keep testing the vehicles to make sure they keep meeting the pollution standards do they?
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Ellenna
No, but people can be and are charged, which is why it's extremely rare to see vehicles emitting black exhaust fumes, whereas once it was quite common
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New-Zealand-Guy
Yeah, to be honest I would support a law that meant once a year your car had to be tested for emissions and it had to pass a certain standard. Older cars should not have to meet as higher standard as newer cars as they were not designed for it.
Did you know in most of Europe they have DPF filters on their modern diesels. What that does is collects any black smoke which is also known as particulates. It stops the particulates from the diesel engine entering the air. DPF filters catch about 97% of the particulates produced by a diesel engine so people do not breath it in.
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