Do poor american's deserve to be homeless?

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I have a really liberal freind. They wanted go to the protests downtown but I really have no time or incentive. I spent my entire life as a struggling poor American working multiple jobs. Recently due to corona virus lost my job. So out of fear of being evicted left and moved to a city that was more suited to my needs. I also signed up for college and using my savings survived a month and got two jobs in new city. I was concerned of keeping housing of jobs but my freind some people do not have privlage of going school and are struggling to even eat in other countries and so I have no right to have a stable job and I deserve to be homeless becuase of whats going on in other countries. Why do I have to suffer when I didn't cuase any of this? Also I have more means help others if I am stable. Why am I always demanding save others when I barely can make ends meat myself?

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  • 1234tellmethatyoulovememore
    2 years ago | pl

    Everyone deserves food, housing, and safety, at least in my perfect world. We didn't get this far by not having compassion for one another; contrary to popular belief, selfishness and self centeredness can be counterproductive to the advancement of a species. No one deserves to go without basic necessities, it's unfortunate so many do.

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    • LloydAsher
      2 years ago

      My perfect world revolves around natural rights. Not a claim under the guise of a right.

      It's not being self centered to be pessimistic about what lengths people will go to get out of doing work. If not starving to death is your motivation to get up in the morning than that's a completely valid reason to try your damndest to get a job.

      The disabled, elderly, and children? Sure give them the assistance they need. But blanket statements of rights that require human work to provide isnt a human right.

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      • S0UNDS_WEIRD
        2 years ago

        There are no natural rights, zero. We don't have the natural right to not be raped, tortured, or even killed. The only natural laws are the laws of physics. They allow all of this.

        Human rights are obviously a human invention with no natural guidelines and evolve over time. They're limited only by our capability and our compassion. We decided rape shouldn't happen because of our compassion and because we can enforce this. What rights we afford the poor and the homeless will also be determined only by our compassion and capability. The ability to call the police is a human right which requires human work. We enforce it because we're capable of it and our compassion makes us feel this should be so.

        Where you draw the line is a matter of compassion, plain and simple. At some point you see something and don't feel the sufficient compassion to say that right should be provided. That's it. Natural-versus-unnatural arguments are blatantly BS; obviously, zero rights exist _naturally_. If you haven't noticed, additional rights have historically been a good thing, evolution as a society.

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        • LloydAsher
          2 years ago

          That's why we live in a society. Just saying that natural rights provides the most rights for the least amount of work that's needed to keep them running.

          Are you gonna compell the farmer to give his food to the poor for free? Force him? Because you wanna fill someone else's belly? What a good samaritan you are.

          I'm using extreme examples to explain why having food isnt an innate human right while sharing your opinion openly is. You can share your opinion, dont need someone else to do it for you. The rights of the individual are the only inherent rights you get. In the case of rape the right to defend yourself holds as a natural right.

          Other "rights" are just assurances from being affiliated with a society from a country or goverment. It's like a cosco membership card.

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          • S0UNDS_WEIRD
            2 years ago

            Let's say I'm a small woman with little chance of preventing a rape that's clearly about to happen to me. I manage to call the police on my phone. To be clear, I do not pay taxes. I never have and I don't plan to either. Do I have the right to expect their help? It's all funded by the work of others.

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            • LloydAsher
              2 years ago

              Just saying police or no police, the gun is the great equalizer.

              That being said the police are a service provided by the state to provide security. If it helps you in the process that's great. You live in a rural area and it takes 30 minutes for the cops to get there it's on you to provide protection for yourself until the police get there. The bigger the city the shorter the time frame from where the police can show up. The time frame still exists though.

              Police and fire exsist to protect the country from threats. Food and water to feed yourself is a you issue not a state issue. It's nice when people donate stuff for the poor and the homeless. I'm just saying that it's not the governments job to keep you alive in general that's your job.

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    • 1WeirdGuy
      2 years ago

      What if you give them money for food like foodstamps and they sell them for crack

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      • 1234tellmethatyoulovememore
        2 years ago

        Are you implying people with drug addictions deserve subhuman treatment?

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        • 1WeirdGuy
          2 years ago

          The only subhuman treatment theyre getting is from themselves

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          • 1234tellmethatyoulovememore
            2 years ago

            Denying them food and housing is subhuman. Substance abuse is more complicated than, "Bad person do drugs."
            Addicts need help and are typically trying to kill the pain inside themselves because of some previous trauma. They don't need you and people like you treating them worse.
            And don't take me as naive. I have relatives who were heavily involved with the production of methamphetamine in the 80s and 90s. I've seen what that shit can do to people. One time some tweaker thought it would be funny to put meth in a pipe instead of weed and give it to my sister when she was 15. She didn't know what was in it and became addicted.
            If you don't understand addiction nor the issues that drive individuals to pick up drugs, it's best to stay silent. You look foolish.
            Idk where this mentality is coming from but there's a trend of it here: having no empathy for others doesn't make you look more intellectual.

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            • [Old Memory]
              2 years ago

              Denying them things that other people have produced is not "subhuman". Thinking you can take from hard working people the fruits of their labour and give it to people that do very little to help themselves is, however.

              There is no shame in believing you must earn what you have. People use drugs for a multitude of reasons, you cherry picking the sad violing ones doesnt change the point.

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      • Anonymous Post Author
        2 years ago

        You do realize that is not how foodstamps work right? Food stamps are no longer STAMPS. They are literally a card and they put everything from unemployment, to general relief on a reloadable card. It is no longer possible to SELL your food stamps. Now you would have to willingly use them on someone else in exchange for anything. But that is virtually the same as bartering which one can do with basically anything.

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  • greekfish
    2 years ago

    No nobody deserves to be homeless. You have to continue to care for yourself despite what happens in other countries. There are things you can do to help those people if you are really passionate about it, but again you also have to care for yourself.

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    • LloydAsher
      2 years ago

      I'll have to disagree about nobody deserving to be homeless. If you are willing and able to work you shouldnt be homeless. If you are willing and unable to work you need disability.

      If you are unwilling to work then it's up to your own choices on whether or not to get a place. It's not incumbent on the state to keep your head covered in that case.

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      • Anonymous Post Author
        2 years ago

        So if you work 3 jobs and still can not pay rent do you deserve housing?

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        • LloydAsher
          2 years ago

          Depends on the area. If rent is too damn high move somewhere else. I'm gonna take it that since you are working 3 that means they are entry level positions?

          If you intend on staying in an area that's too expensive for your blood that's on you!

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          • Anonymous Post Author
            2 years ago

            I am guessing you never had to live and support yourself. Most areas are like this.

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            • Clunk42
              2 years ago

              No, they're not. You just live in a crap area.

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            • LloydAsher
              2 years ago

              I live in the midwest. Spent a chunk of time in california. I have no idea why people who make less that 40,000$ want to live in California. In my area 3 people could work at burger king, have a rented house, and still have enough money to buy drugs.

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  • [Old Memory]
    2 years ago

    The government and corona fear mongers are to blame for all this mess. This is an era of cowardice.

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  • jethro
    2 years ago

    Join the military to give you time to get an education, learn a trade and serve your country. When you get out, if you don't make it a career, you will be better suited to not be homeless. But everybody is advertising "Help Wanted" signs. Finding a job now is not that hard if you really want one.

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  • olderdude-xx
    2 years ago

    No child or very young adult deserves to be homeless.

    However, some adults have chosen things in their lives and find being homeless better for them than other alternatives they are presented with for housing. Shelters are often not that good of a place for some people; and there are people that just are not safe to take into normal housing - which is largely by their own actions.

    Poverty is a problem in general - and there are many causes. Thus, its not easy to eradicate.

    I grew up in poverty and managed to get out of it... but the odds were stacked against me.

    Also, I sense from your post that you realize that you can only do so much. That is very true. First you have to take care of yourself and your family; only then can you take care of others - to the limits of the training and resources you have.

    Far to many people allow themselves to be dragged into poverty by over trying to help others.

    There is another factor at play: You become who you hand out with... So if you spend a lot of your time with the poor and downtrodden; you naturally pick up the habits and attitudes they have - which is a large part of why they are poor and downtrodden. You become socially infected with poverty.

    It's OK to assist others. But, I suggest that you need to also hang out with highly successful people (ones that believe in charity) - so you pick up their habits and attitudes and become more successful.

    I wish you well with this...

    Should you be in or near eastern Wisconsin id be willing to meet in person and discuss ways for you to become more successful. This site provides a way for you to contact people.

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    • LloydAsher
      2 years ago

      *Cough*

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  • GuvnorsOtherWoman
    2 years ago

    I have no respect or sympathy whatsoever for drug addicts as it is self inflicted but that doesn't mean they deserve to be homeless. Nobody deserves to be homeless.

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    • S0UNDS_WEIRD
      2 years ago

      The reasons they're drug addicts weren't self-inflicted though.

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      • GuvnorsOtherWoman
        2 years ago

        I respectfully disagree, friend, because with the exception of those who become addicted to prescribed drugs, addicts actually choose to take recreational drugs.

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        • S0UNDS_WEIRD
          2 years ago

          That's not disagreeing though. We already agree they chose to take the drugs. I'm saying the things that made them want to take the drugs usually weren't of their own doing though.

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          • GuvnorsOtherWoman
            2 years ago

            Not necessarily. Many people have problems but they don't resort to drugs. I'm not blaming them for their circumstances but they turn to drugs because they are weak.

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          • Clunk42
            2 years ago

            Yeah, and the reason Hitler wanted to kill the Jews was because he wasn't accepted into art school, and then ended up reading a whole bunch of crap, so the things that made him want kill the Jews weren't of his own doing. You can make that argument for anything.

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            • S0UNDS_WEIRD
              2 years ago

              Imagine comparing choosing to put a drug in your own body to genocide. You must be a blast.

              Godwin's law lives.

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  • trexagireve
    2 years ago

    No, only rich Americans deserve that

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  • hauntedbysandwiches
    2 years ago

    I think everyone deserves a place to live and necessities like food and healthcare.

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    • LloydAsher
      2 years ago

      Naw. I'm not gonna compell a doctor to help you or force a farmer to give you food.

      If you have to force someone to provide you with something it isnt an inherent right. That's why charity is a good thing, since it's not required.

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      • hauntedbysandwiches
        2 years ago

        You're just insensitive move along

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        • LloydAsher
          2 years ago

          No, I just have an established moral foundation with easily explainable reasonings for it.

          No insensitivity here.

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  • BleedingPain
    2 years ago

    No one deserves to be homeless, but it is the american way to figure it out on your own.

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  • GaelicPotato
    2 years ago

    With your quality of houses, you basically already are.

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    • LloydAsher
      2 years ago

      Depends on who's running the city to be honest.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      2 years ago

      I mean how would you know my quality of housing?

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      • GaelicPotato
        2 years ago

        The Internet exists.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          2 years ago

          Okay so how would you know? You are stalking me?

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          • GaelicPotato
            2 years ago

            I am.

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  • Somenormie
    2 years ago

    A million times no.

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  • RoseIsabella
    2 years ago

    No.

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  • 1WeirdGuy
    2 years ago

    I was driving through the city and there was a homeless guy bumming money at this intersection and right beside him was a sign saying "Coca Cola now hiring"

    Im pretty sure coca cola is like $20+ an hour once you been there a minute.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      2 years ago

      That is what I told them. I also struggled and ended up homeless since my parents didn't care about me and said that after age 18 the law no longer held them liable to care about my existance so missed a lot of things the government believes my parents should have tuaght me. I finally got a chance to go to college and was planning on getting a degree and starting an none profit orginization to help fix the homeless crises but my freind wants me drop all of that. So I can protest and pay for their first months rent.

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      • 1WeirdGuy
        2 years ago

        I dont think you can help the homeless crisis because many of them need to be locked up in a mental hospital and the other half are lazy and on drugs. They can eventually get public housing but they'd rather sleep in a ditch close to their drug dealers house. The government gives them food stamps and welfare and it just gets sold for drugs. At the end of the day they have to help themselves and helping them is enabling. Then a lot of them are full of shit Ive seen a guy drive up in a decent car and park far away to walk to his spot.

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        • LloydAsher
          2 years ago

          We need more mental institutions. Sounds authoritarian but people with schizophrenia shouldnt be walking the streets without their medication.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          2 years ago

          I mean that clearly is a lie because the housing assistance programs is currently closed and I was literally homeless for a month. However I got assistance and got out of it. The idea that all homeless have a mental disorder is a lie. Especially right now since the pandemic is removing people from jobs. I have no disorder. I just kind of got screwed over but I fixed it in a month. You clearly do not understand how badly this pandemic is hurting people.

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          • 1WeirdGuy
            2 years ago

            "They can eventually get housing" <--- True

            I've been homeless before also. I hate to pull the age card, I hated when my father did that to me, but when you get older you're probably gonna see this one differently.

            If theres a hiring sign across the street they can get a job and get off the corner. I see the same guys working the corner for years. No excuse for it.

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              2 years ago

              Yeah being nearly 30 aint gonna change my mind. Also right now because the pandemic they shut down most shelters and Section 8 programs. They also shut down the 211 line. The idea that they are open right now means you are not keeping up with what goes on outside. I literally jumped between 4 different cities before a shelter said they would house me temporarly. So if you are stating all homeless are mental illness druggies. Than you are stating that clearly must be the case with me and yourself.

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  • Dot123
    2 years ago

    i love jerking off into homeless woman's mouth so they dont go hungry

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  • LloydAsher
    2 years ago

    Most dont... some do.

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