Comment karma can go suck a anthill! it sucks! get rid of it!

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It really aggravates me that we have this new stupid rule known as "Comment Karma". What the heck, Management? Why limit one's comments? Whatever happened to simply banning someone if they get out of line? The Management shouldn't limit a user's comments because that's one of the rights here. Not to mention how many people want to give advice to people but they can't because there's a commenting limit. Comment Karma is the most stupid feature of this site.

PLEASE get rid of it, Management! :(

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  • DumBelle
    9 years ago

    This is not a good reason to debate the karma system. I love this feature. With the ability of users, they can remove any misguided hate, aggressive trolling behavior, bitter onslaught of negative comments and malicious intent, to reduce the fact that some try and demean someone's personal issue, for no reason other than to get that rush that people who enjoy being hated attain. When such malicious intentions by online warriors became the usual, there should be at least one site that shows respect to their users, which gives the ability to remove such negative comments, it's frequent users deserve this, as do the people who want great advice. Not a lot of sites do such a great job, with damage control. This one is it.

    When you read words spoken with such malice, directed towards people who genuinely feel they have no one or site as helpful to confide in so openly, they should not lack the option to diminish being mistreated.

    This should not be an issue for those who treat others with respect and decency. I know some believe it is simply popular users or popular opinion, that prevails more in the comments, but this is not the case, I see people get upset often, just because they didn't win the "top-vote", which is always a matter of trivial lamenting.

    To be honest, this system should not bother people who are being decent, at the very least and relevant, you do not have to compromise your beliefs and views, but we all know there are trolls who will live on this site, for the purpose of bringing people down and mocking their issues and problems within their lives. That is not right, freedom of speech is important, all opinion is a valuable asset to a site like this, however trolling or malicious intent, belongs nowhere. If you're full of hatred, leave it in your basement and bedroom, apt, wherever. Not here. I can say 70% of the appeal to this site, was the immense amount of intellectual and respectful people, most of whom actually make such an effort to help and support people, they have never met. It's very important that people take notice of how well this site and system works. You all know this, this site has a lot of intelligent and insightful opinion

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    • dom180
      9 years ago

      Excellent comment :)

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  • dom180
    9 years ago

    Hmm. I felt the same way, but when Udi explained it to me I became a convert. Comment Karma is used to combat trolls. If you ban them they just make new accounts. If you limit their comments they can still make new accounts, but it's less convenient for them. On top of that, it's a much more automatic system, meaning there is no human error and everyone is treated equally.

    How is it infringing on your rights to have the number of comments limited, but not infringing on your rights to ban you? :P Banning is a more extreme application of the same principle.

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    • charli.m
      9 years ago

      Because many new users have their comments restricted, too. When I had to create a new account, I didn't reach my limit so I don't know the specifications are. I know some people were limited to one comment per 24hr period.

      I'm all for limiting the trolls, spammers etc. I don't think it's fair that innocent new users are lumped in the same category as those who actually have done something wrong.

      Do you honestly think you would have stayed if you had signef up only to find you are restricted for an indefinite amount of time, while the full conditions of this restriction are a bit of a mystery except those Udi tells bits and pieces to (provided they happen to ask)?

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      • charli.m
        9 years ago

        I think email verification on sign up would be a better troll deterrent. As long as I can remember, you can use a fake email to make an account.

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        • dom180
          9 years ago

          Well, what you're saying sounds reasonable to me. The whole idea of comment karma isn't fucked then, there's just a few big tweaks that need to be made with regards to how it inadvertently impacts on new users. It's more of a bad application thing than a bad idea thing.

          Does IIN really not have email verification? I'm surprised. Maybe that would help.

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          • charli.m
            9 years ago

            Honestly, each time there's an "improvement" to the site, it's either purely cosmetic, or it fucks up other things.

            I know I sound like a broken record bitching about shit but...everything is just so poorly thought through. It's like a quick fix.

            It irks me that both big changes that were meant to be the means for more time spent on the site (the introduction of Gold nd the removal of moderation) have both, in fact, ended in him spending less and less time here. I feel the users are more clued in to what happens on site and between users than he is, while simultaneously being left in the dark as to the workings of the site and how they will affect us.

            And yup. No verification. It's bizarre the basic things this place lacks. Yet it asks for our gender on sign up? Idk where that's meant to come into play...

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  • Couman
    9 years ago

    I do wish they would ban some of the people who constantly post useless drek, but I'm not opposed to having some limits too. Although perhaps how it works could be a little more transparent. In a relatively small site like this I don't think it's unreasonable to stop one person from flooding the place with posts.

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  • poon_jabber
    9 years ago

    Yes I think the programmers were out to lunch when they incorporated it. Perhaps people just don't like my screen name, bcuz when I'm banned, i go back and look at my comments to not find ONE thumbs down anybody had made. LAME!

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  • Energy
    9 years ago

    Yea it was a pretty stupid idea.

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  • CountessDouche
    9 years ago

    I'm new here...and I could ALMOST say that this system is bullshit, merely due to the fact that people use the thumb system as another means to troll. I've disagreed with someone and had all of my comments universally thumbed down regardless of the content. People thumb down that carrot flower guy for no reason whatsoever (nicest, most respectful person ever, wtf).

    However, I think the karma system evens itself out. The people who use it legitimately seem to outweigh those who abuse the privilege. Personally, I don't take being thumbed down very seriously.

    However...I would love to have the ability to USE the thumb down, when I feel it's warranted, but I've been here for a month and I still can't, which is shitty.

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    • charli.m
      9 years ago

      See...there's no logic to the system. Some people get it quicker than others, nd though it's meant to take into account thumbs, reports, etc...it seems totally random as to who actually gets the ok amd who doesn't.

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      • DumBelle
        9 years ago

        This is incorrect. Everyone is treated equally, regarding the karma system and nobody attains special privileges, in bias or choosing "randomly'.

        You have to be a member for a certain amount of time (2 months) to use the thumb down feature. People who do not realize this, believe it has to do with your karma, or lacking sufficient votes. This is not the case, you just have to wait, like everyone else, has. Trolls or people with personal vendettas, would have a field day down-voting people they disagree with and would compromise how effective the system works. If not for veteran status and users who use the site, the way it was intended, there would be much more petty argument between users and thumb-trolling, overusing the feature out of spite.

        The "system" is a great way to improve the quality and integrity of this type of site, for the users and administrators. There should be less complaining about how much it "sucks", when this should not bother people who act with respect and decency. Even if that is not the case, there is nothing to gain in dismissing how much effort is being put into a good cause and effectively removing hateful/malicious users. Like I've stated, obviously no one needs to compromise their beliefs or opinion, but why would it bother anyone who apparently respects the rules and guidelines. All websites have them. This one is near perfect, in terms of being troll free and is incredibly fair.

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        • charli.m
          9 years ago

          Awesome.

          Now what I said was based in fact, not fantasy. Iv've been here since before these systems were in place. I have seen how it's happened. I have heard from other people their experiences. I have had it myself, when this account was banned (official reason from The Management? "Oops. It was an accident. My moderator can't remember why") and I made a replacement.

          I'm glad you have faith in the system. I'd be interested in where you got the two months for thumbs from. I have seen only otherwise.

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          • DumBelle
            9 years ago

            I was given "IIN Gold", a couple months ago, and in the chat with fellow gold members, the thumb down feature was explained, how long etc. It's not a conspiracy, or that complex of a system. Everyone is treated equally, here, whether you want to believe it, or continue on with your personal "observation" and belief of bias treatment.

            "All members are subject to the system equally.

            Comment karma is an internal score assigned by the IIN system to each member, based on the quality of their comments (as judged by the community). Your comment karma will increase if:
            •Your comments get more thumbs Up than Down
            •Your comments do not get reported (Note: Reports that the moderators disagree with have no negative effect, and in fact affect the karma of the reporter negatively instead!)

            Everyone has access to such information.

            You however seem to have a ridiculous amount of laments; whether it be towards moderators, the system, how management handles the site, new changes to the site, even as trivial as taking notice to OPs and how long they will allow a comment to be up. What is there to gain complaining, so incessantly.

            Speaking of conspiracy, are you also Countess? That response was near immediate, and it was towards you, not Countess.

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            • charli.m
              9 years ago

              Ok.

              If you're implying that chat is Gold only, you're incorrect.

              That rundown of 'how it works' does not account for the variances I have heard. I suppose saying that already didn't make my point clear. However, if your account of how it works, based on discussion with others, is valid, then so is mine as mine is based on the exact same thing. Additionally, your copy paste of the info on comment karma has no mention of the specifics we are discussing.

              Re ridiculous amount of 'laments': I'm sorry you feel it is ridiculous to expect (as a long term customer who USED to buy Gold for myself and many others) that the promises made to PAYING customers be met. I fail to see how that is unreasonable.

              "even as trivial as taking notice to OPs and how long they will allow a comment to be up."

              I'm not sure what you meant by that.

              "What is there to gain complaining, so incessantly."

              Uhhh...Improvements? For the benefit of the community? The community is what matters to me. That's the whole reason I stay. That's the whole reason I used to support the site financially. That's the reason I no longer support the site financially. I did so for over a year. I'm sorry you find me having an interest in others and visiting this website as a hobby such a 'ridiculous' thing.

              No, I'm not countess. Looking her up, she's been here just over a month. I've hardly only been less active here for a month.

              My other user was mel-onhead. I made no secret that it was me. As you can see if you were to look it up, I haven't used it in three months. I don't have the patience to log in and out of various accounts on my phone, and once this one was reinstated, I had no need.

              Have you considered, perhaps, that as my initial comment (the one you replied to) was to her and she probably got the alert to that and then read yours as it followed?

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        • CountessDouche
          9 years ago

          I doubt being here for a long time makes people less likely to troll.

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          • DumBelle
            9 years ago

            This doesn't mean it will deter a troll, entirely, but it absolutely helps. People who join have to wait 2 months to thumb a user down, this is more of a privilege for frequent users who take the site's concept/guidelines seriously. Thumbing down is an adequate feature intended to remove malicious/negative/or comments in "poor taste". Giving a troll less ability to comment, or zero.

            If everyone who can make an account could use this feature immediately, there would be cases of new users or current trolls, attempting to thumb down anything/anyone, which would result in comment karma being abused; harmless users having a limit, because someone disagreed with one post/comment and wanted to negatively affect a user's account.

            Sure, there are some cases of users who have disagreements and thumb each other down, but it evens out with users who can thumb them up, if they were not trolling.

            You responded rather quickly, but to a comment intended for Charlie.m. Is this your second account you speak of?

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  • ThatCreepyWhiteGuy
    9 years ago

    If it weren't for that damn comment karma I wouldn't need six accounts.

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  • golden_showers
    9 years ago

    Yes I agree with the OP. Especially when it's only an answer to a reply in my inbox. THAT should at least be an allowed exception, management!!!

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