Buying meat - what do you think?

I think it would be a good idea to place images of the animals dead bodies or the process of them being killed on meat packaging in supermarkets. That way, people know exactly what they're buying and the process the animal went through.

I am not a vegetarian, but I do think it's easy to forget what the lumps of ambiguous matter in supermarkets are. We even give meat alternative names to the animal it comes from.

So an example of my idea is a cut of pork with all the normal branding and design on the packaging, then with an image alongside the ingredients or information of origin showing a pig in the slaughterhouse the company use to get the meat. It would be a picture of a pig in the process of being killed or having just been killed.

What do you think?

Good idea (provide reasons) 35
Bad idea (provide reasons) 55
I have no idea 11
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  • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

    I agree - bad idea.

    not because I think it's "bad" to admit that we're eating dead animals but because....

    if lobby groups push to get that approved then they'd better be prepared to do it ACROSS THE BOARD. Even for issues that don't appeal to them.

    Which means your tooth paste, mouth wash, medications... ALL will have dead cows next to them. Why? Um dead cows go into making them. Yeah.

    And don't forget the abortion clinics. they'll have to post pictures of dead babies too.

    be careful what you wish for
    because sometimes you get it

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    • I think greater awareness of what we consume and use every day consists of is good! If you read the chemical ingredients of most products, the majority of people won't have a clue what they're made from. Why obfuscate important information? I WANT to know that my toothpaste has cow biproduct in, and I'm sure a lot of other people do too.

      A picture of a dead foetus in an abortion clinic would be appropriate in my opinion. If the mother wishes to abort an unborn child for whatever reason, a dead foetus is the reality.

      I don't think my idea should be implemented without a general / majority consensus in its favour though.

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      • Angel_in_a_Glass_Dress

        I'll give you the link for everything dead cows go into then.

        http://discovermagazine.com/2001/aug/featcow

        Look for this phrase:

        Where's the beef?
        Every last scrap of cow gets used somewhere

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  • RinTin

    I chose bad idea just because it would never happen.

    I have no problem eating meat, but I'd like to start getting organic meat where I know how they treat their animals.

    I don't even want to think about how they stuff chickens with so many drugs and antibiotics that they get so big and their legs break. Not to mention the scalding
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    • You think it's a bad idea because it would never happen? Do you think world peace is a bad idea because it would never happen? Confused!

      Yeah there are a lot of grim details we are generally ignorant of. But I think if you eat those products, it's good to be aware of their origin. Like clothes made in sweatshops. That way you can make an informed decision.

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      • RinTin

        But why would they put that on their products? So they can deter sales? They wouldn't do it, at least they wouldn't like it. That's what I meant, but I forgot about the fact that the FDA (is that right??) could force them to place that info on their packages. ....What Angel said! :)

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        • I agree with you, supermarkets wouldn't want to put it on their packaging. But if people are comfortable buying meat, they should be comfortable seeing the animal that's been killed for it. That's my opinion anyway.

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        • chicken471bologna

          Meat is regulated by the USDA. The FDA mostly deals with pharmacy drugs.

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          • RinTin

            Thanks!

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    • Riddler

      The drugs are not what make the chickens so fat the legs break. what makes them so fat the legs break is hormones. They give them extra hormones so they grow bigger and faster. They give them antibiotics and those kind of things because just like people animals get sick. Also given the crowded quarters most of them are in they are probably more able to get sick in such conditions.

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  • SirDaedalus

    I'm going to be perfectly frank and honest here.

    As a human, I know it is natural and normal to be omnivorous. As such, I regularly consume meat products, and enjoy doing so.

    Many people talk about people like me not knowing how the business works, and believe that we would cease consumption if we did. Au contraire. I read my ingredients, and ones that I do not recognize will get a research treatment. I know about the process of raising livestock (both the more 'industrial' styles and the more 'free range' styles). Gelatin? Ground bone, essentially. I'm fine with that, why waste the bone anyway?

    The fact of the matter is this: life is not sunshine and flowers. If you eat meat, you know that you are eating the flesh of an animal, and in most cases, these animals were born on farms, their purposes (the reason that they exist in the first place, having been born to previous domestic livestock) to provide us with food. Many people see this as unfair. I, however, accept it.

    Perhaps the ideal shared by those that shun meat is that we, as humans, are special and, since we have the capacity to consume only vegetable matter and survive (although we need some source of B12, which is almost completely obtained through consumption of animal matter) on it. A noble aspiration, but one I do not share.

    We naturally evolved to be predatory creatures. Such predator behavior is frequently observed in chimpanzees on their 'monkey hunts'. And I, for one, and comfortable with this.

    This is my simple, unbiased opinion. To me, putting up pictures of the process next to the meat would do next to nothing for me. Perhaps it would be interesting to see the progression of techniques over time as I come back to shop, as disgusting as some of you may find that.

    Death is not pretty, and I agree on that. However, other naturally predatory animals are admonished of their guilt for killing and consuming animals, even if they can also eat plant matter. As such, I also admonish humans of this guilt.

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  • Frosties

    Good idea but human nature being what it is, it wouldn't have a positive impact. Stick that cute piggie on a poster and say it's for a film about a talking pig, people will lap it up. But show them the picture as a demonstration of the creature that has lost its life so they can have sausages, they won't go for that.

    People don't want to be told that they are doing wrong, even when they know they are. It'd be better to put the piglet on a pack of meat substitute with the slogan "Be a great person. Buy these and save this little fellow's life."

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  • NeuroNeptunian

    Not exactly opposed to it. Ultimately I am a carnivore and will eat meat, regardless. Sure, I could take protein vitamins, iron vitamins and what not, but honestly? If it wasn't for meat, I'd probably struggle constantly to maintain a healthy weight due to my overactive thyroid. I know that there are alternative ways to keep my weight up, but they require quite a bit of eating on my part, something I can't afford to do, fiscally and time-wise as well.

    But maybe seeing the pictures would encourage me to put the meat to better use or help me be more willing to try alternative methods of keeping my weight in check. Either way, I lived in the South, in an area where people hunted for and killed their own food. Wouldn't be a big shocker to me.

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    • Shackleford96

      Where did you used to live in the south?

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      • NeuroNeptunian

        Asheville, North Carolina
        Salem, Alabama
        Mobile, Alabama
        Kingsbay, Georgia
        St. Mary's, Georgia
        Jacksonville, Florida (although I don't really count that)

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        • Shackleford96

          Wow, you've lived in quite a few places. I've only ever lived in Arkansas. Which one was your favorite?

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  • VioletTrees

    That would be upsetting to people who aren't buying the meat too, though.

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  • anti-hero

    Why don't they put pics of ugly women on whiskey bottles then? Hey warning, you might sleep with this.

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  • 1marcelfilms

    How did you got a pic in it?

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  • Neon.s

    I hit Good idea, because If they see some pic of animals what they gonna eat, maybe they would remind them that they was sacrificed themselve for your satisfaction.

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  • Shackleford96

    You have some excellent points (I was especially intrigued by your comparison about the cigarette packages). Reading your comments, I can definitely understand where you are coming from, but honestly, I think it seems a bit vulgar to display the process like you are suggesting.

    I would be fine with a picture of a little piggy on the side of a pack of bacon, but seeing the pig being slaughtered is just a whole different matter all together to me. It is just too explicit. I would still eat meat regardless, but I just don't necessarily see this as a very realistic manner of 'educating the ignorant.' It almost seems hateful to force people to view such things, when the process is really just a necessary procedure that has to be done. People are going to eat meat, and putting an explicit picture of the animal getting slaughtered isn't going to stop or deter them I don't think.

    Another point to consider would be children. Would you expose your child to such images at a very young age where they are just beginning to understand certain concepts of life? It could potentially have very traumatizing effects on the mind of a young child if they aren't quite ready to learn such things.

    My final opinion is no, I do not completely think it is a good idea.

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    • I think you have some excellent points too.

      Perhaps the general public in many western countries like mine are so detached from the process behind their meat, so detached from the reality of industrial animal slaughter, that to put images of that on a product, whilst displaying to them reality, could be traumatic without a transitional period of educating. I also hadn't considered a young child's response.

      You're probably right that a comfortable compromise would be the image of the animal on the packet. But I have the feeling if the image was controlled by whatever company is producing the packaging, it'd be a cute, smiling cartoon animal in a luminous green field welcoming you to eat it. This, to me, would be misleading. I would think a simple photograph of an actual animal eg. pig, preferably in its farm environment, would be better. Also, I think the farm it came from and the method of killing would be useful information to have in text on the packaging.

      Maybe to further educate it'd be good to have some information taught in school relating to this (in a child-friendly but honest manner). One that informs without bias?

      In regards to your statement "People are going to eat meat, and putting an explicit picture of the animal getting slaughtered isn't going to stop or deter them" I think that is fine. My motivation for suggesting this wasn't about wanting to deter people from eating meat, so much as wanting people to be confronted with the reality of where their meat is from. I eat meat myself, and I often don't consider the origin of the meat I buy - my brain doesn't connect the meat with the animal. I often don't consider the way in which the animal I'm eating has been reared or killed. I feel like I along with everyone else should make this connection and consideration.

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      • Shackleford96

        Regarding your second paragraph:

        Now you're being more realistic. I agree that it wouldn't be right for the companies to put specific pictures that they choose themselves. I also agree that information about where it came from and the slaughter method would be good and okay to have on there.

        I like your third paragraph too. I think that sounds like a good idea. There may already be some classes that teach that stuff(or something similar) though, but I'm not really sure. My high school had agriculture classes and F.F.A. (Future Farmer's of America), but I never got into them, so I'm not really sure what all they cover.

        Another thing to be considered too, and I think this may have already been discussed, is that putting these pictures and information on the packages will guilt trip many people into feeling bad about buying the product, which is bad for business, which companies no likey.

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      • The_foz

        Children must learn at a young age where the food they're eating is coming from. It does have to be handled carefully though because if they already have a love for animals it can be a tricky thing to keep from turning them off meat. The education of this should start in the home, and proceed though early schooling.
        These animals are domesticated, they're raised for a purpose and wouldn't survive in the wild. For some reason the anti-meat people seem to think the animals are under constant stress and live miserable lives, on the contrary, they are waited on hand and foot, fed as much as they want to eat and treated if they fall sick.
        As far as you're concern for the origin of the meat, there is programs in effect across North America, especially in Canada, which does connect the meat in the grocery store back to the animal on the farm. The cattle are tagged with RFID tags at a young age and that ID number follows each animal and its meat, it may take a little digging but you can find this info if it's currently enforced in your area.

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  • The_foz

    I definitely agree that far too many people are becoming less and less educated in where the food we eat comes from. I'm not so sure that people should be forced to know how exactly meat products are processed and how the animals were slaughtered, but for sure they should have to know at least what animal and maybe even what part of the animal the meat/product comes from.
    It's amazing how many people think that milk comes from a factory, and have no clue that it has anything to do with cows.
    I have slaughtered animals myself, and I'm fairly certain that with the way society is now it wouldn't take much to turn a lot of people off meat. Now this isn't because it's inhumane pratices or anything but some people may just find the process downright nasty.
    Connect the food in the grocery store to the animals on the farm, but do it in a way that doesn't rub people the wrong way.

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    • "Connect the food in the grocery store to the animals on the farm, but do it in a way that doesn't rub people the wrong way." I totally agree with you!

      You and Shackleford96 have similar points, and I think you're right. Perhaps society as it is wouldn't react as well to a sudden, explicit series of images on packaging as they would to a different method.

      Do you have any ideas?

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  • BoredGuy

    em... It wouldn't affect me at all but its like having to see people infected with cholera just so i know what will happen to me if i don't wash my hand? Or what happened with smokes packs, ye... that stopped me from smoking... not.

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    • It didn't stop you from smoking, but you are at least aware of what smoking could cause; you have it there, visualised, on the packet in your hand every time you buy cigarettes. So you can't hide from the risk, even if you choose to take it regardless. I think that's good.

      As for hand-washing, it is usually something promoted at home, at schools, workplaces, most public environments. Most people are taught from childhood not washing your hands when they're dirty can spread germs / result in illness. Most people catch common colds enough to know first-hand what illness can feel like. So I don't think there is the same degree of ignorance in regards to hand-washing.

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  • misca

    Wouldn't it be better to just force companies to provide more detailed information of their products? A photo of a dead pig doesn't tell actually anything about the process. Or do you think there should be hundreds of photos next to every product in every shop?

    Or do you just want to see dead animals?

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    • More detailed information would be great. But, in my experience, someone who is told the process an animal went through to make that burger doesn't have the same reaction as someone who sees it. Writing on its own is reliant on people conjuring an accurate image of the process in their heads, and if that person hasn't seen the process, the image they imagine could be far from the reality - it could be more brutal, or less brutal. I was thinking writing would accompany the image anyway. What do you think?

      I agree that sometimes the practicality of fitting an image of this type on a product might not be great. Certain products don't have a great deal of space, and added to that some products have many ingredients from different animals, in which case it'd be ridiculous to try and fit images and information of how all the animals were killed on. That's definitely a valid criticism of my idea.

      And no I don't 'just want to see dead animals', or I'd work in a slaughterhouse.

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  • chicken471bologna

    I chose bad idea simply because it sounds fucking stupid. People who love eating meat will just continue eating meat no matter what. And also food corporations would never put the on their products because it would deter sales and scare off some consumers.

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    • Why does it sound "fucking stupid"?

      If people are deterred from eating meat because they see the animal it came from, that suggests to me they shouldn't be eating meat.

      I just think as it is it's too easy to ignore and forget the origin of our food, and if you're disgusted by the idea of a cow being electrically stunned and having its throat cut, it's ridiculous to pay for the by-product of that. If you're comfortable with the idea, then you should be comfortable with seeing the dead cow on the packaging and comfortable with eating it, right?

      They put images on cigarette packets in England of lung cancer, throat cancer, stained teeth and nails etc. to show the possible consequences of smoking. Cigarette companies have to do that by law, so those people who smoke are directly confronted with the risks and accept them when they purchase a packet. I think people being directly confronted with the reality of their meat when they buy it would have a similar educational benefit.

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      • chicken471bologna

        Okay I apologize for saying "fucking stupid" sorry.<BR><BR>Anyways I'm not saying I think showing pictures of tortured animals is bad per se. I just think it is bad for society if government legislates morality to deter certain behaviours it deems "bad". <BR><BR>I mean really what's next? Crazy Conservative Christians putting pictures of dead fetuses in abortion clinics to scare women from having abortions? I'm sorry but I'm just not okay with one group of people using scare tactics to try and force another group of people from doing something just because they deem it "immoral". BTW this does not apply to rape and murder which everyone can agree is universally evil.

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  • beastie

    I think they should show pictures of which young boy wanked into the milk or the puddings before they went on sale lolz

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  • Darkoil

    What exactly would be the point of doing this? If a person doesn't realise what they are buying then it's their own fucking problem.

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    • I agree responsibility of purchase lies with the customer. But if you don't know, you can't make an informed decision. I personally prefer the idea of an educated world than an ignorant one.

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  • AHH!,Just shut up and get drunk,then EAT already!

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  • PumpkinKate

    What would it accomplish? It seems like the idea of putting pictures of dead animals next to where they're sold is an idea born from the mentality that every last person out there thinks like you do - the animals are victims of abuse that we exploit to feed ourselves.

    Whether or not that's true, you might consider a grasp of the situation that involves sociology and anthropology as well. The vast majority of people out there are simply looking for food. It doesn't matter if it's moralistic or not to butcher farm animals. This isn't about insensitivity, it's about realism.

    Does a Marine who faces death every day need to come back home and see bloody flesh and horrific wounds? Do your kids' teachers need to "behold the horrible reality" in order to educate? What makes you so certain that a visual cue is what the majority of people will react to in order to "see your side of the coin"?

    Sure, go ahead and be incensed at the treatment of animals we eat. I agree with you - it's terrible, and should change. Throwing pictures in people's faces just might not be as effective as you think. Does a tea-bagger aggressively lecturing you about their policies cause you to simply start supporting them? Does someone shouting "God hates fags!" cause you to rethink your views of both religion and homosexuality?

    There are ways to influence and make a change for the better. Shocking, abrasive, and intrusive methods (such as forcing people to view disturbing images during shopping) are not, in my opinion, an effective way to do it.

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    • Did you read any of my subsequent responses to other people? Because you've made a couple of incorrect presumptions about me and my motivation for proposing this idea.

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  • myownopinions

    Bad idea. Like people say, it deters sales and makes people feel more guilty when in reality we eat meat. It's human nature and vegetarians wouldn't be vegetarians if they didn't think and actually just ate.

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  • beastie

    I steal all my meat, so this doesn't affect me one whit.

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  • Just_feed_me_Troll_Meat

    Actually its a rather stupid idea as those animals that you are going to be showing in the supermarket or on the sides of the meat packages were bred, born, and raised to be feed animals. They werent some endangered species that humanity wiped off the planet in its own greed and self superiority.

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    • I would address your point but your name and profile suggests you're a troll, and on principle, I don't feed trolls.

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      • beastie

        "Hello, let me introduce myself, I'm not speaking to you" LOLZ

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        • I said "I would address your point but", not "I would speak to you but". I'll speak to trolls, I just aim not to give them any troll-isfaction.

          YOU TROLLIN' TOO?!

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          • beastie

            "Hello, I am interacting with you to tell you I am not going to interact with you" LOLZ

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  • loopoo

    Good idea.

    Annoys me how we call it, 'Pork' 'Bacon' 'Beef' 'Poultry'

    Maybe it will make people think

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  • capcrunch6

    Some meat does already have pictures of cartoon animals on it because some retards don't know that a london broil is beef.

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  • Legion

    I wish I could afford to buy organic (at a real All- organic food market, not supermarkets)food, instead of the garbage in our own supermarkets. In the same token, I wish I didn't have to buy at Wal-Mart. everywhere else would break me.

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  • shade_ilmaendu

    Id say my only argument against doing this would be it seems like a lot of effort with not that much gain.. Arent there more important things to spend money on than putting pictures of things people already know but forget on the packaging?

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  • penguin1

    People who buy meat already know it comes from animals. A picture of a cow on a package of hamburger for example would stop a lot of people from buying and eating it. Is that your intention?

    You mostly seem concerned about how detached we are from the process of making it. But frankly, if some people knew exactly what happened, they wouldn't eat it.

    In our world today, everyone doesn't have to know or watch the process that our food goes through. There are people who get paid to do it. Leave it up to them!

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  • badmanalive

    Are you kidding, I dont want to know where my meat comes from!

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    • It comes from The Meat Stork. Every day, it flies over yonder, cradling a heap of delicious meat it makes by magic and drops it into the arms of the happy shop owners of the world! :)

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  • lc1988

    Eh I don't understand the point. Might as well put a picture of everything on every product, good or bad. A pic of an 8 years working on making nike shoes in a factory as well as the smiling faces in cookie factory. (at least I would be smiling) And what about carrots? Just ripped out of the ground like that. My god that's cruel.

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    • I actually donate monthly to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Carrots. They encourage humane methods of carrot killing, such as injecting them with a sedative, easing them out of the soil and quickly, painlessly beheading them.

      I agree that this idea shouldn't apply to every product in the world, it would become silly. But meat is something that involves animals being killed, and where I'm from it's very easy to not know or forget that what you're eating is a bit of a once living animal that was killed to be eaten. Where the suffering of a living thing may have been necessary to produce a product, I think it's a valid desire to have that suffering made visible.

      Your point about having a picture of an 8 year old in a factory making Nike shoes is actually not something I consider ridiculous. People are often shocked and appalled when they hear about living conditions and processes involved in making clothing. Why are they shocked? Presumably because they don't like it, they don't want their money to go to supporting it. If Nike are happy to use children in factories to produce shoes, they should be happy to advertise this process, display it for the world to see. If it isn't ethically questionable, nobody would mind - the children wouldn't mind, consumers wouldn't mind. Yet I have the feeling the reason why you never see it, is because they don't want you to see it. What do you think?

      Of course people have different beliefs, different priorities. That's why I only think this would make sense if more people than fewer agree. Otherwise I accept I'm in the minority.

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      • lc1988

        LOL the carrot thing made me laugh =). What comes to mind though is that any other carnivore in the animal kingdom doesn't think twice about eating meat..even if the animal is still alive when they start.

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        • That's very true. That opens up the entire question of animal rights, how we determine value of life on earth and what responsibility we have to animals or ourselves as a species. There is also the question of whether we are 'naturally' herbivores, carnivores or omnivores.

          But these questions are enormous, and this may not be the best place to 'get stuck in' :) What I will say is as humans we do a lot of things other animals do not, and often pride ourselves on being conscientious, of being capable of empathy, compassion, mercy.

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