Assisted suicide: what do you think?

So in the UK at the moment, there is a big public debate about assisted suicide and the "right to die". The idea of legalized assisted suicide is that terminally ill people would be legally permitted to commit suicide aided by physicians - in a comfortable atmosphere near home, surrounded by loved ones, when they decide the time is right instead of having to suffer a painful final few weeks of life.

I have my own opinions, which I will happily offer later, but I was wondering what the people of is it normal thought about it.

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  • dom180

    P.S. When I made this post, as soon as I typed in the word "suicide" a big message came up at the bottom of the page providing me links to hotlines and support pages and such like in case I was thinking about ending it all. Whoever came up with that idea is a major sweetie.

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  • Couman

    Strongly in favor. I don't see how people can be free if they're forced to live when they don't want to. I realize suicide itself is not strictly speaking illegal, but it might as well be. They can lock you up fr frying after all. Claiming it's for your own good an not a punishment is a hollow distinction. And even if it were REALLY legal, as long as it can only be done totally unassisted that only leaves people with the unappealing choice between dying while still independent and giving up control sticking around until the bitter end.

    P.S. What's this?! I new post type with no voting? Is this recently added Gold perk or something?

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    • dom180

      It's actually quite an old Gold perk. I think the option has existed for at least a month, but I've only seen it used once before. I thought it was appropriate for this post because I believe the content of the comments is more important than the votes so I decided to give the comments undivided attention. I also don't want the balance of the votes to change how people comment; I want to hear everyone's voice and I don't want people to decide not to bother commenting because they think no-one will agree with them.

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      • Shackleford96

        Glad to see someone finally using it. I was starting to think nobody would...

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    • kingofcarrotflowers

      Yeah discussion option, pretty cool

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  • Incomplet

    In short: nobody asked to be born, so the choice to die should be a right.

    (Oh, nice Pratchett reference!)

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    • Crμsades

      You should have a right to die, yes,but you shouldn't have the right to demand assistance for it.

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      • Incomplet

        True. If a doc wants to help, let him do so.

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  • kingofcarrotflowers

    If someone is going to die and they are facing a life of deteriorating health and quality of life and only if the person can say so themselves or provide proof that it is their will ( to prevent family killing for inheritance etc) then yes.

    As long as it's well regulated

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    • kingofcarrotflowers

      And good old pratchett, got to love him

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      • dom180

        I love his Discworld books. I've read all of them, and many of them twice. He made a very moving documentary about assisted death a few years ago, which I remember watching and being massively affected by. I don't think his documentary tells the whole story, but I think it does show that the current situation absolutely must change somehow.

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        • dom180

          And that documentary is here, if anyone reading this wants to see it: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnu340_terry-pratchett-choosing-to-die_shortfilms

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          • charli.m

            Watched that a year or so ago and taped it. Rewatched it days before finding Terry had had to cancel a convention appearance due to "the embuggerance" :( Cried both times. I can't imagine ever being in the position to have to make that choice or have someone I love need to make that choice.

            I think it should be legalised, but like Terry, I'm disturbed at the idea that Dignitas assists in non terminal, non degenerative cases.

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  • Couman

    An interesting fact I just learned while reading about Oregon's law: Of the people who had lethal medication prescribed under the Death With Dignity Act, about a third didn't use it.

    There are multiple ways to interpret that, but I'd like to think it means their end of life was made more bearable just be knowing they had a way out if going on became too painful.

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  • LizardSkin

    Assisted suicide doesn't exist (legally) because there is still money to be made off of people's suffering.

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  • lolol555

    This feature is perfect! There's loads of discussion "questions" on here and now we don't need to worry about them anymore.
    Edit:
    Oh. It's only for gold... Well, I guess it needed some incentive.

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  • dom180

    Okay. Since this post has already got quite a lot of comments and no-one has taken the position against yet, I'm going to clarify the position against because I think it does raise valid concerns about real-world application.

    Most arguments against right to die focus on the fact that legislation would only allow for an *illusion* of freedom, not true freedom. In reality, many people may be manipulated into making decisions they have not considered - especially vulnerable ill people who believe they are a burden on their families, or by physicians who would seek to benefit financially. If it is horrific for people who want to die mercifully to be forced to live through their pain, it is just as horrific for the veil of mercy to be used to kill vulnerable people who have not been offered palliative care.

    Any legislation passed in the near future would only apply to terminally ill people with not long to live, and would not pertain to normal people who just don't want to get old. Supporting a piece of legislation on assisted dying would not expand freedoms for most people.

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    • Couman

      It's hard to say, strategically speaking. You could argue on the one hand that that it's a first step, or on the other than it's preferable to hold out for something better.

      Other countries (though admittedly not that many) already have broader right to die laws. Oregon for instance, which was on the the first, only requires that the condition be terminal, not a specific life expectancy.

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  • Energy

    Yes. It should be a right. No one should be forced to do anything with their lives.

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  • Crμsades

    What about the ones who want to kill themselves because they can't find a partner?

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    • charli.m

      If you learnt how to behave, you wouldn't have that problem.

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    • Couman

      It's nobody's business what the reasons is, Chromium Micro Sadists.

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      • charli.m

        Took me a second to get that. Nice :)

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      • Crμsades

        You need Jesus.

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  • handsignals

    we already have assisted suicide it's called 'Subcutaneous Morphine' I don't understand why people keep debating this??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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    • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

      a big ole tank fulla nitrous oxide does the job faster easier and without all the barfin and droolin

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      • Shrunk

        exit bag

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  • Mr.Doe

    Oh, what a taboo subject. I'm not touching this with a 50 ft pole. Too controversial. Besides, it seems like it would be a stalemate. Too many good points on opposing sides. I say abortion would be a better subject to discuss.

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  • Deergod

    I agree but if someone has an illness or anything that can be cured or changed in any way then they shouldn't have to die right? What if someone wanted to pass because they had a cold? What if someone wanted to pass because their shirt ripped?

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  • green_boogers

    Committing suicide by dehydration is perfectly legal. Assisting a patient that is doing this is called hospice.

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  • Anonnet

    I support it. If someone wants to off themselves, it should be their decision. Any facts and necessary discouragement should be brought forth to the person who wants it, but they should still have the final say. It's sad, but people shouldn't be forced to stay alive just to keep me happy.

    The only real problem would be the potential for abuse in the system. Have to make absolutely sure the person in question wants it, otherwise you could have a lot of accidental and "accidental" deaths.

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  • driedroses

    It's nice in theory, but I feel like it could lead to family feuding. Some people want to let them die, some people don't want them to give up yet. I think it should be legal, but there will be problems that go along with it.

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  • CalciteQueen

    Gotta consider that extensive pain and suffering fucks with the decision-making process a fair bit, too. Doctors sometimes twist the truth about odds of survival for their own gain.

    It's a pretty sad world.

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  • How did you create a discussion without a poll or voting options?

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    • Shackleford96

      It's a new feature for IIN gold.

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  • Pika-girl

    Yep.

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  • ilovetoiletrolls

    If they're being tortured and literally have no way of ever recovering, then I think it's acceptable. So yes, I'm for it and think it's a good idea.

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  • dirtybirdy

    Aye agree with it.

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  • Crμsades

    Also, who is the guy in the picture?

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  • thegypsysailor

    I have never understood criminalizing suicide. If someone chooses to off themselves and fails, the American justice system will prosecute them and can imprison them. Where's the sense in that? The only people who fail at committing suicide are those who really didn't want to die anyway.
    I see no reason why suicide, assisted or otherwise, should be unacceptable in society today. This is all a holdover from the Puritanical religious bullshit that one can't get into heaven (like who the fuck wants to spend eternity sitting on a cloud playing a harp?) if one kills oneself.
    With the world less and less able to support the existing population, it only seems logical to let those who don't want to be here, leave.

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