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As a half-Asian, half-white female, I can honestly say that I'm only proud of my Japanese heritage. I identify as white, and am more protective of whites, but I'm generally not proud per se. What about you?
| Yes | 78 | |
| No | 32 | |
| A little bit | 14 | |
| I don't really care | 49 |
I always thought you should have pride in your accomplishments. You don't earn race, so what makes you proud of it? What kind of accomplishment is there in being born a certain anything?
Just my opinion.
As our friend George would say...
I saw a slogan on a guys car that said "Proud to be an American" and I thought "What the fuck does that mean?"
I'm fully Irish, and when I was a kid I would go to the St Patrick's Day parade and they sold a button that said "Proud to be Irish", but I knew that on Columbus day they sold the same button only it said "Proud to be Italian", then came Black Pride, and Puerto Rican Pride. And I could never understand national or ethnic pride, because to me Pride should be reserved for something you achieve on your own.
Being Irish isn't a skill, it's a fucking genetic accident.
You wouldn't be proud to be 5'11". You wouldn't be proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.
- George Carlin.
Who you are isn't an accident. You're the recent link in a long chain of evolution. Our forefathers have fought hard to survive under millions of years and given their lives for the future generations. They've lived through hunger, enviromental catastropes, epidemics, war and hardship. And they have passed their genes onto you. You're not here because of a random lottery!
You say "And I could never understand national or ethnic pride, because to me Pride should be reserved for something you achieve on your own."
Your ethnic group, your people, is like an extended family, your tribe, your forefathers, your roots, your children and grandchildren.
It's nothing wrong to be proud of what your people has achived through history, but that pride means nothing if you yourself aren't contributing to your people by working, caring for others or helping building a better future. A true pride should also include knowledge of historical misdoings and learning from the forefathers experience.
Of course, you can be proud of your race or ethnic group for whatever reason you like, but it's meaningless if the pride isn't combined with obligations and responsibility towards your group.
And remember, even if you like your race/ethnic group, treat members of other groups like you want yours to be treated by them. Race hatred gives bad karma.
You are arguing with a dead man, have you no respect for the dead? lol
I think when he said "it's a fucking genetic accident". He was saying that you don't have a choice as to what race you are born.
I never said any of that, if you knew how to read you would see that was a quote from George Carlin (who was a comedian, making a joke), if you have beef, gather his ashes and yell at them. I'm sure he won't mind but he probably won't have much to say back to you.
Lastly, a little off topic but I just have to say it, karma is bullshit.
It's true that we have no choice as to what race we are born, but our brains, minds (or "souls" if you like) are the result of evolution and natural selection. If we were born as bees instead, we wouldn't even be capable of pondering about our existance, but just bee. (pun intended!)
To be aware of what you are is an asset as it gives you a ground to stand on. Roots.
Yes, karma is bullshit. I used that word instead of writing a longer comment about how race hatred can bite you and your ethnic groups back in the long run.
I liked George Carlin. He dared to joke about not so politically correct things. ;-)
Im ;
- puerto rican
- mexican
- dominican
- black
- italian
&' muthaaafuckin proud (;
I'm a Hispanic male, I don't really feel proud of my race nor ashamed. I'm apathetic towards it.
WHITE and PROUD baby. Too many whites are self-loathing assholes. We can thank the media and black slavery for that.
But to do that you ignore all the great things the caucasian race has done for the world.
I suppose I like being white and wouldn't want to change that. But why should I be proud of my greek background? my grandparents and their friends always tell me that I should be proud to be greek, but I didn't personally accomplish what the greeks did. I can only be proud of what I do.
I think you should have maybe asked are you happy with your race. Since most people here (including me) seem to think that pride should be in something that you do and not what you are.
I am not proud to be white. I had no choice in being white. But I am happy to be white, I mean I am fine with it. Being white doesn't bother me at all.
I don't think one group is any better than the others. You have to take people on a case by case basis.
1. We share only one race and that is the human race. The human race is made of different people from different ethnic groups.
2. What you're asking us is whether we're proud of the history and culture of our ethnicity, not race.
Just wanted to put that out there. lawl.
And yeah, I'm one of those who voted 'I don't really care'. Fuck yeah.
No, you're confusing race with species. Humans, Homo Sapiens, is a species. Races are subgroups under the species, populations that have distinct hereditary features that are different than other populations. It's an evolutionary process.
With geographical separation, time and many generations, races can become new species (like horses, zebras and donkeys have become different species).
Ethnicity is another thing. An ethnic group is a population with individuals of the same race that share language, culture, history and so on. Related, but different, ethnic groups can share some of that and belong to the same race.
I am half Chinese, half white American. If I am around Chinese people, maybe I act more proud of my white half, and around Americans, I make sure they know about my asian half. I don't know if it's pride per se though. More like wanting to point out that I am unique. And you sound like a beautiful person OP. Japan is indeed a much cooler country than China!
No. Race is just a group you were born into by chance, and why be proud of getting anything by chance? It would be no different to being proud of the colour of my eyes, or my hair, or size of my feet. Sure I might find any number of those things attractive, but that's different to being proud of achieving them by a random chance.
I'm proud of things I have done through hard work, not proud of the colour of my skin I attained entirely though luck, nor the things that people who have the same colour skin as myself have done.
I refuse to feel guilty for anything someone of my race has done, because the buck stops at that individual, not at a trait they share with a large group of individuals. I am sorry that some white people are racist, and that black people generally do not receive equal treatment, but I do not and cannot except responsibility for something entirely out of my control.
"Race is just a group you were born into by chance, and why be proud of getting anything by chance?"
That's a thought error. It's like saying that the cigarette lighter I have in front of me became one by chance. We, including dead things, are all products of something. In our case, as humans, we are the result of our ancestors' genetical heritage.
The reason behind the thought error is our capacity to feel empathy. We can feel for others and put us emotionally in their shoes. Empathy has developed in us as herd animals, to help us survive as a "tribe", and we can risk our lives to help others in need.
That's something to be proud of, mayhaps?
We couldn't pick and choose the "soul" for our bodies, but that's not how nature works. You are you as much as my cigarette lighter is what it is. Products. No chance involved.
Okay, maybe I could word myself differently. We are the race we are maybe not by chance, but by circumstances outside our personal control. "Why be proud of something we got by events we could not control", would be another way of saying what I was meaning. I could not control my white mum and my white dad's choice to have a kid, so why should I be proud of the fact that they chose to have a kid?
By your analogy of the cigarette lighter: even if the cigarette lighter was able to feel proud simply for being formed into a cigarette lighter - by events it could not control - why should it be proud either?
Its good to be proud of your heriatage but its bad to put down other races. Theres a big difference between racial pride and racism.
Everyone should be proud to be who they are.
Yup, 100% white of Ukrainian heritage and I'm damn proud of my nation and my race.
it doesn't mean I'm a racist -my buddies come from all the places you can only imagine and they are proud of their race as well. I think it's awesome.
I'm half Hawaiian and half Black, but I only tell people I'm Hawaiian. It's easier and I don't look Black at all. I don't identify myself with the Black culture.
Well, in general, Mixed Race people are attractive, awesome & amazing...so yeah; I'm proud.
I don't really have pride in being white. It's hard to be proud of something that was just given to you, and you didn't really have to work for. It's a weird concept to be proud of skin color when noone really has any control over what their skin color is....
Why should I be proud of just simply being? It's like saying you're proud living. You're literally going around saying that you take pride in the fact that you have done nothing at all, and are simply just the product of chance. It's ridiculous.
You're not a product of random chance. Your genes don't come from a lottery, but from billions of years of evolution and natural selection. Your ancestors fought hard to survive during starvation, diseases, catastrophes and wars.
And it's not a product of chance that a housefly is a housefly or that a magpie is a magpie either. Their intellectual capacity and instincts are restricted to their species just as it is for us. Your "soul" can't be implanted in a magpie's brain, not in a brain belonging to a human from another race, or even in your neighbors brain. You are you thanks to a long chain of genetic generations and not to chance.
When you say "You're literally going around saying that you take pride in the fact that you have done nothing at all" it's like an insult to your ancestors (and to yourself if you are working and caring for your people and not just living like a parasite).
I'm not fond of the nihilistic worldview of today, where only superficial and material things matter. It's like saying "who cares about the enviroment? We will all be dead within a hundred years anyway".
Humans are the only species that can think nihilistic thoughts. All other animals continue to struggle for life and for their offsprings. Too bad they can't feel pride.
It depends what you mean by pride. I admire my ancestors for their faith and their perseverence. It's not like I deserve any extra respect for the things they did, but I do respect them.
I'm proud that I make good grades in college, hold a job despite the piss poor economy, and have a halfway decent apartment and car and a good husband. I am also proud of how far I have come in my life relative to where I have been, and how far I am going now. I am proud of the initiative I have taken in my life and I am proud that I am the first member of my family to be getting a degree.
That's what I am proud of.
I am white. Just plain ass white bread. There is absolutely nothing cool or interesting in my heritage! Just English and Irish, as if a person could possibly get any whiter than me! I know, boring right?!
I once dated a girl who said she was half australian aboriginal and half chinese.
In reality she was half caucasian, quarter aboriginal and quarter chinese.
I also know a gut who identifies as spannish 1/16th, and a guy who is apparently Jamacan but isnt sure which ancestor it comes from.
I find it interesting people seem to be much prouder of small minority conributiond to their make up.
Not especially. I'm everything that has been dominant. I'm white, male, straight, and come from a country that - to date - formed the largest empire in the history of this planet. We actually did do some good things, but the guilt that goes along with the bad we did is an ever-present.
Achievement-wise, yes. I think lots of anti-white bashing is in fact anti-capitalism. Poor countries always blame the white man for allegedly plundering their resources but we do not steal them but purchase them. If local leaders appropriate themselves all the cash then blame them not us.
When your culture is too backward to be technologically on par with us then you would have no use for those resources anyway. I mean what would an African local tribe do with say Yttrium,Neodymium or Lanthanum?
A lack of free market capitalism and democracy is always the cause of poverty and technological backwardness so I do believe our culture is superior to that of say the taleban or some pygmies in the jungle.
Now on the looks department I think we look ugly and dull.
I do envy Arabs and Indians since they have the most beautiful women, and apparently their men score higher with white women too.