Abortion... oooooffffff, can you feel that?

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OK so this kind of isn't really an is it normal question, more of a rant, but meh:

Anyway, here's my thoughts, I think abortion should be totally legal and pro-lifers are bigoted, insensitive pricks who just like to stick their noses into decisions that have the square root of fuck all to do with them.

I don't even believe in the term "pro life". These scum aren't pro-life at all. They'd be pro-birth if there was such a thing. Maybe pro-hypocrisy...

Do "pro-lifers" give a shit what happens to an unwanted baby after they're born? Would "pro-lifers" ever dare to stick their money where their mouth is and become adoption parents? What if said child had been born with all sorts of mental/physical problems (down syndrome, epilepsy, autism, etc etc), would "pro-lifers" still adopt them then? And what happens if the mother has been raped or would die from giving birth due to internal bleeding?

That mother may have other children already, so her other kids will grow up without a mother if she dies, but none of these things seem to matter to "pro-lifers", they just seem to want babies that they haven't played any part in creating to be born whether the mother suffers or not. And it's because of all the so-called "pro-life" protests/marches that clandestine abortion clinics are being set up everywhere illegally, and abortions performed - in conditions which are in no way sanitary or sterile - by unqualified people.

So, in a nutshell, I'm passionately pro-choice and, fundamentally, I believe that if you have nothing to do with the mother or the child, you should have ZERO say in what happens to them.

Your child, your body, your choice, YOUR MOTHERFUCKING RULES!

Rant over.

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  • hungDaddy
    5 years ago

    Yeah sis, I'm completely with you. "Pro-lifers" are the same assholes that majority seem to be old white guys who have no concept of the difficulties of raising a child.

    But, ESPECIALLY, these cunts are the ones who hate abortion and N E E D this child to be born, but will never do anything to help support the babies.

    Chances are, if a baby is being aborted, the mother just cannot support the baby, whether emotionally, physically, or otherwise (money is a big one). Pro-lifers will never opt for extra paid maternity leave, or support donations, such as through women's shelters. They're all a bunch of bigoted assholes who, for some reason, care more about an unborn baby than the born result.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      5 years ago

      I'm a guy hahaha but your comment is spot on

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    • xxLucifer
      5 years ago

      If the mother can't support the baby then they shouldn't have had unprotected sex and should have taken birth control.

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      • charli.m
        5 years ago

        I've known people who have used birth control and gotten pregnant. Nothing is 100%.

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      • Anonymous Post Author
        5 years ago

        I think everyone agrees with this comment. If you don't want a child, be responsible, put something on the end of it and make a conscious effort not to bring one into the world.

        That's a completely different issue to the one of abortion, though. Mothers have many different reasons for having an abortion. Not just being physically unable to support the child growing in her womb.

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      • hungDaddy
        5 years ago

        Mistakes happen. Its quite a crazy idea imo to withhold women from enjoying sex just out of the fear of having a baby. That's just saying men can do what they please and have as much sex as they want because they can't get pregnant.

        I've had multiple friends become pregnant because the men they've hooked up with lie about using a condom (they'll show her the condom and then just not put it on).

        Similarly, most men I've been with have been the ones who want unprotected sex, using those excuses that "it feels better without rubber" and "condoms are tight and make me feel nothing". I'm going to assume from your comment that you're not one of those guys and I thank you for that, but there's just so many factors that go into needing an abortion that shutting down women and blaming them entirely is totally out of the question.

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        • xxLucifer
          5 years ago

          There are better ways though to prevent pregnancies even after having unprotected sex instead of just waiting for an abortion such as IUD's or the "plan b" pills. Plan b is about 80% effective at stopping pregnancies as long as it is taken within 3 days of having sex. IUD's can last for years, is more than 99.9% effective at stopping pregnancies, is capable of being used as emergency contraception, and is completely reversible if the user decides to get pregnant.

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          • hungDaddy
            5 years ago

            That's fair, but the problem is that most of the time, the man will never opt to help pay for the Plan B, and it costs like, $50-60 in my area. That's way too expensive. It also has nasty side-effects.

            Same with IUD's, they're about $150+ and require check-ups to maintain. Also, if a woman's body rejects the IUD, there can be bleeding that lasts months, crippling pain, they can move while in the uterus etc. They also cause nasty mood issues. You don't get refunded after removal, even if it goes to shit. Personally, I can't even use most IUD's due to menstrual and depressive disorders.

            Even right now, I'm on birth control, and I sometimes come close to not being able to pay for it. It also causes some bad side-effects as well, as its used to feign a pregnancy to keep the egg from dropping.

            Abortions are last-ditch. They're not a hobby. They're available for those who need it for a reason. Other options are generally very difficult to either obtain or maintain.

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            • xxLucifer
              5 years ago

              Plan B isn't covered because it is an over the counter medication, but you can in fact get emergency contraception prescribed by your doctor. If you do that then most insurances will cover it. As they do with all contraceptives.

              IUD's are still about the same amount of money as an abortion which can cost $500 and can get up to $2,000 dollars if the woman waits till the second trimester. Also IUD's are covered by most insurance so you won't even pay the full price.

              As for the side effects. Yeah the side effects can fairly harsh for the plan b pill, but for iud they only occur in a very small percentage of people. Also you are talking like abortion doesn't have side effects. Pretty much all of which are the same side effects as IUD's.

              The other options are not difficult to get or maintain and to say that is a joke. If you have insurance chances are you can afford the alternatives to abortion. Also considering that a majority of people who get abortions pay out of pocket mean that those same people could pay for the alternatives even without insurance. So cost is not an issue and since most doctors are willing to give you an IUD or prescribe birth control pills they are no more difficult to get than getting an abortion, especially since planned parenthood centers do both abortions and give contraceptives.

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  • TerriAngel
    5 years ago

    Well said APA.
    I have nothing to add.

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    • DoujinMySchool101
      5 years ago

      Finally we agree on something.

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    The mother makes the end decision, yes, but she doesn't just come home from work one day and say "right kids, i've decided to have an abortion, so say goodbye to your sister"

    Her body, her choice - completely agree, smartest thing you've said on the entire thread.

    The same goes for cancer patients, you don't say goodbye to your partner at hospital closing time when they're going to keep you in the cancer unit, and then when your partner comes back the following morning be like "Oh by the way I've told the doctors to stop my chemo". If anything it should be the doctor's decision to stop the chemo in any case.

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    And condom's occasionally split. And if everyone had protected sex, how would the human race carry on you absolute fuckwit?

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    You heard it here first, guys, do NOT have unprotected sex with this cunt ^^

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    It's an extremely difficult decision, though, and absolutely NO-ONE goes through with it without discussing the consequences with somebody first.

    Are you saying that the mother should make a decision that will affect her entire family and everyone else who knows her without telling any of the men who fit into either of those two categories first and letting them be part of the process too, only other women and doctors? Not even her partner or male kids if she already has some?

    Speaking as a guy, if my partner ever said to me out of the blue that she was going to terminate the child that we made together's life, without letting me discuss it with her first, I would be RAGING!

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    How is men "spreading their seeds anywhere" not implying anything to do with their faithfulness?

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    You make it sound as if all men are unfaithful, piece-of-shit fuckwits...

    Contrary to your belief that men "spread their seeds anywhere" as you so eloquently put it, I am completely monogamous and you'd be surprised at how many guys are the same.

    If a man's feelings for his woman are strong, he does everything he can to make sure no harm comes to her. This includes health-related issues.

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  • Anonymous Post Author
    5 years ago

    If you are a loving potential father you should be 100% be able to get involved in the decision-making process, especially if there are serious health implications for the woman you love and got pregnant. I don't know about you but if my girlfriend was told she'd have to go and get an abortion illegally I'd be doing everything in my power to make sure that didn't happen...

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  • cinderfloof
    5 years ago

    1. Many of my points weren't addressed, but that's okay.

    2. IUDs are costly. To prove a point I just checked my personal insurance (BCBS from my parents) to see how much it would cost and its $100 (usually $1000 but I pay 10%). That sounds great! However, in order to get it inserted I would have to drive an hour to another state for planned parenthood since it was de-funded near me. I would go home to my primary care doctor or go to the regular hospital near my uni, but they're private and refuse to give IUDs since I'm under 21 and have no pre-existing conditions that necessitate it. Hospitals can after all refuse treatment if your condition is not life-threatening. I'm lucky that I have a car and metaphorically could make the drive, but imagine how this would feel to a woman that's impoverished.

    3. Maybe I learn differently in nursing school, but in my university classes we're taught to educate patients to pull out while using a condom which logically makes sense for protective purposes. Either way, even if I'm wrong or you're wrong or we're both right and wrong, doesn't that prove my point? Women should know these things definitely.

    4. That's a simple statistical mistake. The statistic you're referring to directly states "some 60% of all women of reproductive age are currently using a contraceptive method". Pause for a second. This is saying that 6 out of 10 women who are currently fertile are using contraception. This holistically includes women who are not sexually active and thus don't have a purpose of using contraceptives. Hell, my 13 year old sexually inactive sister is a part of the alternative 40% of women. I'm referring to the statistic, also a direct quote, that states - "Ten percent of women at risk of unintended pregnancy are not currently using any contraceptive method". This statistic logically also dictates that the remaining 90% of women who are at risk of unintended pregnancy ARE currently using any contraceptive method. Understood?

    5. Well, I checked for people "attacking" catholic crisis pregnancy centers and I got one result from a catholic news-site that considered a smear-campaign "attacking". I tried to use fair examples, but gave up after the fourth link that mentioned a war on babies. This is nothing compared to the bombings and shootings that have occurred at abortion clinics. People have a right to dislike crisis pregnancy centers. One study I checked (https://scholars.org/brief/study-information-and-misinformation-presented-websites-crisis-pregnancy-centers-georgia) mentioned that "despite scientific findings that show no increased risk of breast cancer or mental health problems due to abortion, 41 percent of the sites we analyzed made such claims". Here's another scholarly article that discusses the fear-mongering of CPCs (https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/why-crisis-pregnancy-centers-are-legal-unethical/2018-03). I have nothing against them. They could be very important in reproductive health, but if they really care about women first, why do they lie?

    But let me address your main point. Even if we de-fund planned parenthood because tax dollars shouldn't got to abortion, who will pick up the slack of those facilities? We don't have enough hospitals, nurses, doctors, or affordable facilities in the United States (https://www.istandwithpp.org/uploads/filer_public/42/df/42df1c0a-07b4-4340-bf35-d36c0b8c9363/other-providers-cannot-absorb-patients-if-planned-parenthood-defunded.png). This also follows my previous point. You're taking away a safe method of receiving an abortion. I repeat, THIS WILL NOT STOP WOMEN FROM HAVING ABORTIONS. In the 50s and 60s thousands of women were receiving back-street abortions. What do you think will happen now? Women have access to loads of information and medical manuals. What will stop that number from skyrocketing? Even if it doesn't, how will we handle the influx of newborn children into our already broken foster care system? These are important questions to answer before we consider banning abortion or creating less costly option.

    6. Didn't we discuss that condoms without perfect use and education drops to an 84% prevention rate? That means that 16 of every 100 women using condoms with become pregnant. There are currently 157 million women in America. Using mathematical proportions, we end up with 25,120,000 accident babies every year if all of them use condoms and are fertile. Of course I know this statistically incorrect. Not all women are fertile or use primarily condoms, but this shows you how even an 84% prevention rate adds up to a lot of accidental babies over time.

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  • xxLucifer
    5 years ago

    I'm against abortion in most cases and only think it is ok in the cases of rape, the woman being at serious risk of death, or if the child has a high likelihood of being born with a disability. What I don't agree with is people not making the right choices in their life and aborting a child for the sake of convenience. If you don't want a kid or know you don't have the means to support a child then have the man wear a condom and/or use birth control or you could also just not have sex. Saying that since it's the woman's body it should be their choice is stupid in my opinion. It was the woman's choice to have unprotected sex and to not take birth control, that was their choice to make.

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    • cinderfloof
      5 years ago

      I feel like you're making the logical inconsistency that women who become accidentally pregnant NEVER use any form of contraception. We live in a country where we don't usually have any form of sexual education. As such, things like condoms are usually not perfectly used. For example, did you know that perfect use of condoms also includes pulling out? Most people don't. As such, the 98% perfect use acceptance rate drops to 84%. Birth control doesn't have an effectiveness of 99% unless you take it at the same exact time every day of the month. Due to this, in most cases its effectiveness is only 91%. That means that 9 out of every 100 women who take birth control will get pregnant. Multiply that by our population size, and that's a lot of babies. I have a friend who's pregnant at 17 because she thought that you can't get pregnant on your period (popular opinion, mind you). Also, due to the rise private hospitals - which make up 77% of healthcare providers - many restrict what patients can receive. I had to lie to my gynecologist that my periods were severe in order to receive birth control because the catholic faith considers me too young. I'm turning twenty in January. Most women are also not educated that birth control is void if you vomit or have diarrhea within 48 hours and that the pill is even less effective for women that are overweight. Even spermicide only has a 71% effectiveness in typical use. Surprisingly, this information is freely available on planned parenthood. Their educational community outreach actually STOPS unplanned pregnancy and pro-life activists are trying to de-fund it. Not to mention that planned parenthood is one of the only ways many poor women can find affordable birth control and condoms. IUDs are up to 1000 without insurance. You know who can help women get them at affordable rates even so? Planned Parenthood.

      But let me digress. At this point, we should agree that not ALL women who have protected sex are actually fully protected. We also agree that poor women cannot afford many birth control devices and that many women are also uneducated on how they work. In fact, 90% of women do use contraception and they make up about half of unplanned pregnancy. So where do we go from there? Do we require all women who don't want children to be celibate? Do we require 10% of women who can't afford contraception to be celibate? That's highly classist. Do we make abortion illegal? Well, as a woman myself, I can ensure you that I'm not afraid to use a hanger. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), every 8 minutes a woman in a developing nation will die of complications arising from an unsafe abortion. Imagine if abortions became illegal in the United States too. Actually, at one point it was. In the 1950s and 1960s, the estimated number of illegal abortions ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year, according to the Guttmacher Institute. As a medical student, I can further ensure you that I will personally help women have abortions even if it becomes illegal.

      But I understand. You don't want "babies" to die. I propose something different. Let's mandate sexual education in schools. Let's make birth control and basic condoms free for all women, rich or poor. Let's actually fix the corrupt, disgusting foster care system. Adolescents who had been in foster care were nearly four times more likely to have attempted suicide than other youth, so let's actually make a system where the children don't actively want to kill themselves after you've "saved" them. Let's actually adopt kids, as only 13% are actually adopted. Let's educate and provide rather than restrict. I can ensure you that one is more effective than the other.

      I know I sound hostile, but this is just something I have strong opinions on. I do understand where you're coming from. Life is precious, but I feel like its illogical to flush life into an unprepared system while possibly ending already healthy lives. We can indirectly slow abortion rates by adopting certain completely possible policies.

      Most of my sources came from planned parenthood and the World Health Organization, but do you actually want links? I have about 12. Im going to put it on the side in a document. Maybe I can email or discord them to you? Its kinda rude to send you 12 long ass links you can't even click lol.

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      • xxLucifer
        5 years ago

        I've seen the planned parenthood pages already and you fail to mention that IUD's have over 99.9% effective rate with very minor side effects. So if you really want to bring that into it then instead of taking birth control pills which is the most common form of birth control people should promote IUD's. Also planned parenthood does IUD's and birth control so how is it any harder to get one from planned parenthood than to get an abortion and Medicaid covers IUD's as well as most insurances since the Affordable Care Act was passed. Also I don't know where you got the condom thing because the CDC says the proper way is to pull out "after sex" you make it sound like it's supposed to be done before the man ejaculates which is factually incorrect.

        People don't want to take away people's government funding of planned parenthood because of birth control and condoms. They want it taken away because they don't want government funding to go towards abortions. Also how is people attacking planned parenthood any different than people attacking crisis pregnancy centers which are essentially places that tell about options other than abortions and do so without government funding.

        Another thing is that you misread data. The Guttmacher institute says "some 60% of all women of reproductive age are currently using a contraceptive method." Also less than 10% of people in the US don't have insurance so to even suggest that 10% of women can't afford it is absurd as most insurances cover contraceptives including medicare and again planned parenthood offers contraceptives. If someone can't afford to have protected sex at the very least then yes I do suggest that they become celibate as they probably can't afford an abortion in the first place as you can get a pack of 100 condoms for $15.

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