Why is jesus more special than others who have suffered

So what I have been asking myself, many religious fanatics tend to refer to the suffering of Jesus on the cross and how he took all onto him for humanity and such, like a lot. Now think about how many people have died for things and suffered for people. A LOT more than just that one dude.
What did he die for. Well for his beliefs and such. What did the others die for. Well for their beliefs or doings.
I mean even Joan of Arc and she was a woman, in that time, mind you. And look at how she was betrayed. Died too eh
I just felt the need to understand that, because I have just watched a video where a guy again stated „ what did he die for“ and such. It made me a bit angry.
Anyways share your opinions on that one I guess, I wanna get why he’s so special other than beings gods incarnate as a human in the Bible( which is he btw, incarnate or son)

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  • People think he's special because him dying was supposed to give everyone everywhere a chance to not have infinite pain for infinite time. However, some people don't believe in fairy tales.

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    • *in your opinion

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      • Sorta. I don't have proof either. But the burden of proof is on the people claiming this wild story, not the people just saying they don't buy it.

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        • I feel no burden on me.

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          • Are you Christian? I can't remember. I should know that sorry.

            But do you still understand how this whole burden of proof thing works? It's kinda like 'innocent until proven guilty' except it's more like 'not an all powerful all knowing man in the sky until proven that there is one'. You can believe whatever you want within reason but don't tell me I'm wrong for being atheist because there is no evidence I am ignoring. I don't hate people just for being Christians, I more just feel bad for them, especially if they buy the sexual aspect of it. But if you try and force Christianity on me, that's the part when I start hating you.

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            • Pipe the fuck down did I try to convert you or talk shit about what you believe? It’s not my place to do that and I don’t fucking do it. I’ve always been christian but I don’t live fully to the bible I’ve fucked before marriage doesn’t make me less of a person. Matter of fact I just did a few hours ago does that trigger you to think I don’t believe or something?

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    • The thing is pain continued afterwards soooo that’s a bit contradicting haha

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      • No I'm talking about hell. Everyone was supposed to be doomed to spend eternity there unless jesus died.

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        • Nope. You misunderstood the bible

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          • And how, my friends, would u interpret it that he died for sins and it didn’t change a thing for our pain then

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        • Wtf evil god in da house?

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      • Its said you are born with the sin of your father and of his father.

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        • Why would I be I’m a different person

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          • Have you watched Preacher or read any of the comics of the same name?

            God is portrayed there as a vindictive, attention-seeking asshole, and that's exactly what he is in the Bible. The question isn't why you should be held responsible for the sins of your father, but rather what's to stop an all-powerful megalomaniac from deciding that's what the rules are?

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            • Haha exactly

              I’ll look into that, thanks

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          • Because that is how the systwm is believed to work.

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  • The only thing you need to understand is that the whole thing is illogical mumbo-jumbo. If you accept that, then you'll realise that trying to understand the central tenet of Christianity by rational thought and logic is a pointless exercise. If you have any sense, you'll also realise that arguing about this stuff is pointless, since the ultimate, irrefutable argument of every religious believer is "Because God."

    The entire edifice of Christianity - and most other religions - is built on an irrational reverence for ancient writings, wishful thinking, and an absurd amount of respect for those who have been given the True Believer stamp of approval by whatever hierarchy happens to be in charge of the organisation.

    If you believe there are things in the Bible or any other so-called holy book which are valid and good rules to live by, on you jolly well go. But unless there is concrete, quantified proof that supports specific claims made in the Book, it's all just wibble that a bunch of ill-educated people believed to be true a long time ago.

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    • So then I’ll say, because Big Bang :D
      I actually find it quite weird in Islam to have 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven. Like seriously where do they all come from if there are so many for every man going up there haha

      Though I think you can’t convince people to believe in something like that anyways, maybe dragging them into more possibilities
      With time and patience maybe we’ll endure each other’s beliefs but at the same time know the possibility of all things
      But yeah definetly don’t go by the Bible
      A Christian probably thinks the same about science books and they don’t have any morals or goals, which is one of the explanations why people may find religions better, because it gives us a meaning and doesn’t leave us with the feeling of an empty void in our stomachs

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      • Did you know that a modern translation of the koran says it's 72 white raisins in heaven, not 72 virgins? A lot of suicidal terrorists must be very disappointed eh?

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        • I’ve never seen white raisins
          WTF haha that makes even less sense
          Well done koran😂

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  • Jesus is Lord.

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  • Theres nothing different about him at all. The only difference is that he lived in a different time when people were a lot more superstitious etc but even back then not many people thought much of him because they killed him. People need something to cling to so they make up fables and myths. It makes them feel better if they let an external power be in control. Its all just a massive delusional mental illness. Think about it- if people claim to hear voices and have a relationship with an invisible being who lives in the sky we would ordinarily call them schizophrenic but if they get together in groups and say it, ie like religions, then we dont.

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    • Somebody who answered to my actual question, yay

      Actually religion can be something good, we just messed it up real bad. People have weak minds, so like you said, they got to things to make them feel more secure and stuff.
      Maybe it was made up, maybe it wasn’t, we don’t know what’s possible
      And hearing voices makes them question their life even more which means sticking to the easier part

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      • I don't agree that religion can be good, since that word is usually taken to mean a fixed set of rules and a particular explanation for the world that was agreed by a bunch of people a long time ago, and is now enforced by some sort of bureaucratic structure that decides who can and cannot be a member of the club.

        I do accept that a basic set of rules of what's right and wrong is necessary for the survival of our species, but it's entirely possible to be a moral, respectful, caring person without believing in mystical holy texts, God, heaven, hell or any other religious claptrap. In fact, history shows that people who implicitly believe that their religion provides the only true explanation of the world and the only valid rules to live by can be led on to very dark, violent and self-destructive paths by their religion's leaders.

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        • Its good for some people in not going crazy or depressed, to have something after life and believe you are loved and all is good or to explain certain things. It can also be just your thoughts that wish for something and in that way make it come true for yourself.
          But as greedy as humans are we messed up. We are simply not evolved enough and not wise at all

          We all have morals anyways, none believer or believer. Well except some few
          It does work without religion and it can work with

          And when you look into something like Shintoism, it’s actually really nice because you learn respecting your surroundings. Like really, some have nice things

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  • ...by Christian standards, why would anything other being God incarnate matter? That is precisely it.

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  • No I don’t have that, sry:(
    I’d like to too...

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  • Because Jesus took all the worlds sins upon his shoulders and paid the price for them. So all you have to do is believe and except that and repent of your sins and go to heaven when you die.

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    • Like basically what the others said who didn’t READ that I wrote without referring to the Bible:D
      Dudes come on

      People have died and suffered for others countless times and if I remember correctly after Jesus came it went worse and not better

      I help where I can and am basically a Mormon just without believing in a certain religion and being stuck in my way, so if I still have to believe then to go to heaven, I’d rather not and greet Satan;D

      What do you count as sins anyways
      Like in your eyes
      Whoops Now im onto another question again....

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  • That’s a nice answer though
    Yeah I can get angry quiet easily

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  • No,im just saying that your other deeds do matter,

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    • And you don’t have to believe, because they matter

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  • Thats their choice to believe what they want and he gives people free will, so they make choices, but if people do bad things they get punished later

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    • Which means you now say that it’s ok to not believe and then go to heaven?

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  • No, he wants people to love people unconditionally, and tellpeople about how much he loves us

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    • Then maybe he shouldn’t do that in a narcissistic manner and just leave people’s beliefs be as long as they don’t do any harm
      And again, didn’t go that well in the Middle Ages in Europe even though most were christians, eh

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  • Yes, but if you continue to live in his name and one day when you die if you go to heaven you will never have to suffer

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    • Sounds quite mean don’t you think? That only if you believe you’ll get up there, ignoring all the other good deeds you’ve done
      With all the deaths in the Middle Ages heaven must be quite packet with weird people eh
      And em nice witch burners😒 And the crusades

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  • he died so that our sins will be forgiven,and one day you will all know it's true

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    • We still sinned afterwards and are still in pain so that didn’t change a thing

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  • Because he is Gods son

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    • And other than that I mean

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      • I go to Church and pray all the time. If that makes me a retard so be it. Heathens suck ass.

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        • It doesn't make you a retard and nobody said it did, but in my opinion you are deluded. Your comment about heathens (I guess you mean atheists like me) is puerile and meaningless

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        • What about atheists?

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          • We're all going to a non-existent hell to burn for ever and ever and ever and ever ... gee I'm scared ..... NOT

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        • Wtf, are you really being serious?

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        • I've been worshipping Satan for a few years now, and my eyes randomly glow red when I get pissed off. And sometimes I levitate in the night. What do you think could be going on with me?

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          • I think you might be emotionally unstable

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            • And I think maybe you don't understand irony or sarcasm

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            • Do you think an exorcism would help? The last time I tried one, I threw up razor blades and steel pentagrams though! So, I'm a little scared to go through that again. But should I give it a try? Nobody can explain any of this. I even did see a psychologist once, to explore the whole "emotionally unstable" thing..... and even he thought I was probably possessed! What should I do?

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      • Sorry dude but it’s as simple as that

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      • Well there has to be a God I guess. I believe

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        • And why do u think there has to be

          Now just think about how he’s so special without being gods son pls

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  • The difference between Jesus and other people is that he is the son of God, while males were made in the image and likeness of God, and females were made using part of males, and being made partially in the image and likeness of males.

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    • Eve was made from Adam's ribs yes that's true. But she is a goddess. Women bow to no one. She was gods child too.

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      • Do you really believe that rubbish? I thought better of your intelligence

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        • Aliens???

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        • I do Ellenna. Probably not why you think tho. I don't believe humans can know any universal truths except one. Think about it. We live in a seemingly endless universe, for purposes unknown. I don't have answers at all. No one can know. Some people call it nihilism, but that's bleak.

          God gives me albeit vague answers, that give me solace and makes me happy, science is just illogical random guesses by pretentious assholes with attitudes. God bless them but please.

          If I am an idiot for having faith, I will do that all day long.

          As a hooker, and a fallen child which no one on earth loves, including family, I guess I may be inclined towards a loving all powerful God to bring me solice. But no one has proven otherwise and if they claim they have they are just as much faith based as religious people.

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          • I think, therefore I am
            That’s the one truth I have found in the world

            Though choosing to believe in god does not mean it is real, you just choose to believe to believe in something

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        • I started to like you Ellana.

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        • Faith in God has nothing to do with intelligence. Yes I believe in him. What do you ??

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          • Waiiiit wait in one of you’re comments you wrote
            “ I go to church and pray all the time. If that makes me a retard so be it. Heavens suck ass”
            Which basically is a completely different thing than you stated there


            I like arguments btw, so we can keep this long, I wanna see if you can outdo them
            It’s like extreme sports for me haha

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          • I totally agree that faith in any god has nothing to do with intelligence. I don't believe in any mythical gods.

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          • When you don’t believe in that whole evolutionary thing, you miss out a whole lot of science and philosophy, which implies, as that is way more than the Bible, that you have less knowledge. Which of course doesn’t have anything to do with intelligence, but it’s rather that you can’t use it based on those scientific things, because you only believe in one thing. Many people would doom it conservative and that is not doomed intelligent nowadays, thinking differently is.
            Well of course belief is mostly coming from how you were raised and many people don’t or can’t go against that so we can’t say you are less intelligent than the average person
            When that person starts going against other beliefs a lot and is not able to question anything, that either comes from a place of fear or not being able to due to mental capacities. That can either be a believer or an atheist though
            Small explanation of what I think is the reason for people associating it with less intelligence

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      • Are you implying I was being sexist? I was not, and I believe females should be treated equally to males. It is true, however, that what you're saying makes no sense. Women should bow down before God. Eve was not a goddess, nor was Adam a god. If she was God's child, (which she was) then it is not possible for her to be a goddess, and women should definitely bow down before God.

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    • What I also wrote him being more special OTHER THAN being gods son in the Bible. Which u literally quoted

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      • Also, to answer your second question. Jesus is God's son who is part of the holy trinity, in one God. He is not God incarnate, bt God's son, being only a third of God and not even as powerful.

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        • Where is the "holy trinity" mentioned in your bible? That concept was created by the church long after jesus was dead and gone

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        • soooooo there is two third of god and Jesus existing at the same time?
          Haha

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          • Jesus is part of trinity: father, son, and holy spirit, who together make one God. They are three seperate persons, all in one being.

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            • It kind of reminds me of Greek mythology, the way he is and such. Actually quite interesting the existential story there, I recommend it

              Also, if God created everything and it was just him at first, he must’ve made everything out of himself which means we are all like a part of god which means we are all him which means we are all god:D
              Though if it’s just, boom here is matter, it’s even less logical an explanation than the scientific one

              BUT I am drifting away from my original question here

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