Why has it become normal to be intolerant of others viewpoints?

We have DEMANDED acceptance and equality for all. We have DEMANDED that everyone be respected and gets a voice. But when people speak out against the norms, we label it, racist, sexist, whatever and shut it down. Im not trying to provoke anything, i just am trying to figure out why, when we speak of a country of freedoms, freedom of speech is acceptable as long as it goes with societal norms. I understand some beliefs held by others are offensive and ignorant, but are they not guaranteed a voice as well?

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  • To be honest, I think the main reason people don't tolerate deviant opinions is because fear of change and possible deterioration of one's own self-preservation.

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  • Depends if someone is just saying stupid shit like pseudo science or über religious beliefs I'll not going to be tolerant of things I don't agree with.(they have the right to speak and believe it I just don't have to accept it.)

    Now if you have insane people who are into dehumanizing people or actively have an agenda to fuck over others then sorry I'm never going to be tolerate it.

    Most people on the right and left are snowflakes on the issue and pick and choice what is free speech and the list is long.

    A right winger would never support a muslim American calling for sharia law they would have a bitch fit.(I fucking hate Islam so no I'm not defending those psychos).

    A left winger would never support a Christian state being set up in America which is no different then sharia law.

    Most right wingers complain left wingers complain both sides complain everyone's a snowflake.

    Everyone has a right to an opinion that dose not mean everyone has to accept it.

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    • Blind, well said.
      Pretty much spot on.

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    • Nice to catch you there Blind Inquisitor. 👍🏻😎

      "Everyone has a right to an opinion that does not mean everyone has to accept it."
      Precisely!

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  • Look at them vids on youtube of all them entitled people pulling out their phones, filming, having screaming matches because one is trying to make the other agree.

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  • Free speech as a right comes with responsibilities, notably to not infringe rights of others. As soon as you do that it is hate speech and unacceptable.

    Cmon guys this is basic stuff.

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    • I understand the concept. But who gets to determine what is hateful? This to me, is the dilemma. In my opinion listening to those aholes on CNN, MSNBC, etc., is constsntly hateful speech against their opposing viewpoints.

      Its not as basic as you eant it to be. Its impossible to make an empirical rule.

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      • ... because they're only capable of tolerating that with which they agree. If they agree with something they not only want it to be tolerated, but accepted, and even celebrated. However the ultra left wing wants to silence any voices with which they do not agree.

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    • Hate speech isn't a legal category. In the USA you can say whatever you want even if someone thinks its 'hate speech'. Do you think we should pass laws to ban hate speech?

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  • This is something that ultra left wing people do, because they are typically ruled by their emotions, and tend not to use logic, and reason. Ultra left wing people are usually only tolerant of other people who share their views. Watch out for people saying stupid oxymoronic things like, "I can't tolerate intolerance", which is basically just someone admitting that he, or she is intolerant.

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    • Sorry, not gonna tolerate people marching through Charlottesville shouting "Jews will not replace us" and promoting white supremacy. Nothing oxymoronic about that statement, I don't tolerate people's small-minded shit, which usually comes from people who live in front of their computer screen and don't go out and talk to people. All the people who say racist shit, undermine sexual assault against women, and spew homophobic/transphobic shit are usually the same ones that don't get out a lot. Tired of being labeled a "radical leftist" for not putting up with people's bullshit.

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      • When you shut down peoples free speech that could come back to haunt tyou and your cause. If we outlaw hate speech who will get to determine what hate speech is? Politicians like Donald Trump will. Do you want Donald Trump to have the right to define hate speech? His definition of hate speech will be different than yours. He could potentially outlaw disagreeing with him. This has happened throughout time where politicians called disagreement treason. You got to think things like this through. Be careful for what you wish for.

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        • Not trying to ban hate speech, but you can't get upset over people's reactions. People like to talk about how others get offended all the time, but you don't get to decide whether or not they get offended, that's their right to make. You can't be a white guy and tell a black person they're not allowed to be upset when a white person makes certain racial remarks, or dictate how someone feels when you're not a person of color and you undermine something you can't comprehend. You can't tell a girl to just get over something that was sexist/derogatory and chalk it up to "locker room talk" or "boys will be boys" without expecting her to get pissed about it. You can't tell homosexuals/transsexuals to re-work their life to fit with everyone else and not expect them to explain to you that it's not a "lifestyle" but it's a integral part of who they are.

          In my early 20's, I went through an anti-feminist stage. I really thought those women were trying to undermine the issues of males and just wanted preferential treatment. But the thing was, I didn't have too many female friends at the time and I wasn't dating. When I started dating more, every girl I dated had a story: She'd been catcalled, she'd been groped, she'd been drugged, she had someone follow her home up to her house and corner her saying "I know you live here alone" That was a big revelation for me, but I never thought about those things because I'm a man, and I don't have those things happen to me. Sure, I knew rape and sexual harassment were a thing, but I never understood just how pervasive it was in our society. People get upset when they say something that offends another person and the other person reacts a certain way. I get it, I've been there with certain people... I'm sure you've seen that video of the red-haired woman shouting over the MRA activists, but most feminists aren't like that, most have legitimate grievances.

          My point is,we can say things, but we don't live the lives of other people... too many people don't understand that marginalized groups have legitimate grievances, and rather than get upset that they're offended by certain statements you make, you have to try to understand where they're coming from, because you don't live their life.

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          • That was good tho. You made good points without name calling and being too hysterical. Thats what we were talking about. Its rare to find left wing people debate us like this without hysterics.

            I never owned a slave. I never did racist shit to black people. So why should I have to apologize for their 'situation'? The next rebuttal from liberals is always "you're white you have privilege" but my dude we all have privilege living in America. You have to realize 60% of the world makes less than 2 dollars a day. Most people dont even have electricity and running water. So its privileged people calling others privileged.

            The real issue with blacks in America is the single mother rate. 74% of mothers are single in black America. That's why theres so much crime today from them. You have to realize growing up without a father makes you way more likely to be a rapist, murderer, homeless, in prison. 85% of people in prison didnt have a dad at home! If you want to fix black America quit going after the white people and fix the real problems, thats if you really want to fix it. Its easy to see what the problems are but it angers liberals when you dont feed into their agenda because it goes against their whole identity. Its telling them their whole world view is wrong. They always say if you really want to make someone mad tell them the truth and thats what I feel it is.

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            • It's not about guilt tripping white people. It's not about what you did personally or that slavery was a long time ago, systematic racism exists in many different structural forms. African Americans make up 13% of the population yet control bout 2.7% of the nation's wealth. They're also more likely to face racial profiling by law enforcement, be subject to housing discrimination, and thus affect where their children are zoned for schooling. Yes, we live in a country that earns more per capita than most of the world, but when someone tells you you have "privilege" because you are white, they're not talking about wealth. That would be absurd, since there are plenty of impoverished people that white. To give another anecdote, I never perceived myself as "racist" as I don't hate black people and don't use racial slurs against them. But a few years ago I was pumping gas late at night and a young black kid walked behind me through the parking lot. What do you do in that situation? You're not going to be politically correct because you don't know this person and you don't know what danger is in store for you. But as he was walking away he noticed I was looking at him, and he reluctantly waved to me to assure me he wasn't a threat. I realized I was more inclined to think of him as a threat than a white teen because subconsciously I have been fed the narrative of the "young black male", you see it all the time in the news or on shows like Cops. But what about all the young black men that never do anything illegal and now they're perceived as a threat? Look at the case of the shooting of Jordan Davis over blasting loud rap music.

              As for the single mother issue, I don't see any of my liberal peers disagreeing with that. Many African-Americans are disproportionately incarcerated, leaving the mother to raise a child. But when they live a tough, inner-city lifestyle on little income and no father, what lifestyle are they most likely going to gravitate to? Not too many options at that point. The question is, how do we reform our judicial system that when people get out of prison they are rehabilitated to re-enter society rather than be hardened by prison and rejected on so many levels in society that they do not even have a chance for redemption and going back to prison seems to be a more viable solution than getting out and reforming your life?

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        • The far left is now, and always will be full of crazy people. I literally haven't said a single solitary word about any of the things the above respondant to my comments is so enraged about, but of course that doesn't stop him, or her from going batshit crazy about all of it, because God forbid tolerance be an inclusive concept, or all people get to exercise their freedom of expression. At least when conservatives, and moderates express themselves they maintain some semblance of reason.

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      • Thanks for the presumptuously triggered, and enraged response. 🙄

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        • See? You get to spew whatever stupid shit you want, but when someone calls you out on it they're "triggered" This is what I can't stand, like you're supposed to be allowed to say whatever you want but when someone retorts they're just "liberal snowflakes" Total hypocrisy.

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          • Noone actually cares what she thinks. That's the funniest part.

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          • Well, I haven't mentioned any of the things you are ranting about so you really are just acting like an irrational, delusional, liberal snowflake. I haven't spewed any of the things that you so adamantly claim offend you!

            It's as if you are walking around angry, full of hate and just waiting for someone to trigger you so you can explode! Even if the person is not talking about any of the topics that upset you it doesn't matter, because you're triggered and believe that entitles you to explode like someone who has had a significant break with reality!

            This is the United States of America, and if you have the right to explode unprovoked against people who are just minding their own business then yes everyone deserves to have their right to freedom of expression. Second Amendment rights of citizens should always trump whether, or not someone is offended.

            You are a jackass, but unlike yourself I'm tolerant, and support your right to be a jackass if you so choose.

            Seriously, you are more explosive than a meth lab!

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            • I felt I made some valid points, I'm not going to pretend to be okay with racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia. People live through certain experiences that others haven't, and they have every right to be up in arms by ignorant statements.

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        • The liberal proved your point so well. You said liberals are emotional then you get that extremely emotional response. They cant just keep it logical. Neutral people see that and distance themselves from their views. They're hurting their own cause.

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          • True that! They prove themselves the fools they are accused of being every time. The above exchange is hilarious in its scope of unreal, explosive entitlement.

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      • I understand you don't like the message and I don't blame you. But when you fight back that empowers the message even more.
        I was a bit of a bully growing up and the best targets were the people who got mad and fought back, it became a game. Usually their retaliation was caught and they got in trouble which made them more mad, and it was so enjoyable for me. The kids I hated where the ones who did not let it bother them. After awhile I met them alone it was not fun.
        I think of all the stupid racist, homophobic, sexism comments and demonstrations only shows people ignorance. But when you fight back, it empowers them. But I do think they have the right to spew it.

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        • If they want to go out there and say shit, go ahead. But you can't expect people not to counter-protest and get in their face. Especially when it comes to the people they are marginalizing.

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          • Counter protest is fine. But i think it takesxa bad turn when you feel the need to "get in their face."

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            • It's important to remember though that there are a lot of trolls, not just on the internet. Some people get off on being "edgy" and just say things to get a rise out of people, when someone responds in an aggressive way, those people can't be surprised when the other person gets pissed off and possibly becomes violent.

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    • This is called being a snowflake.

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  • We live in a multi cultural society. That means we must at the very least tolerate other cultures. If you are going around inciting hatred, oppression and persecution of a particular minority then as far as I'm concerned you forfeit the right to live freely within that society. There has to be a line somewhere. Words aren't just words, they are very powerful.
    I don't live in the USA and I'm glad because when I see what goes on there such as the westboro baptists standing outside soldiers funerals with children holding signs that say "God hates fags" etc well I don't care about your right to free speech. That is messed up and should be shut down. It would never happen where I live because it would not be allowed. There is a big difference between free speech and hate speech. Everyone is entitled to a view but if your view is hateful, bigoted, causing harm to others then you lose your right.

    Looking from the outside in the USA is no longer United. It's divided. Your politicians have used so called "free speech" against you.
    Julius Caesar once said "Divide et impera" - divide and conquer.
    Divisions are an illusion — they create a fictional reality. Conquerors are obsessive storytellers — their stories feed anger and violence. However, deceiving tactics work in the short-term — in the long run, people end separating fiction from reality.

    Creating a common enemy is the most effective way to divide people — leaders force people to choose between being in favor of or against its crusade. Hitler said: “Our strategy is to destroy the enemy from within, to conquer him through himself.” The delusional leader used the ‘them’ versus ‘us’ approach as an excuse to invade most European countries — conquerors succeed when they can create two sides.
    De-individuation is a group behavior when people fall prey to this type of leaders. Individuals let go of self-awareness and self-control to imitate others — the collective behavior takes over the individual judgment. Vandalism and arson, among others, occurs because one’s individuality is lost in the group identity.

    The ultimate objective of divide and conquer is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up groups into smaller and less powerful ones. Conquerors will do whatever it takes to win — they don’t care about the future. Like Attila the Hun said: “There, where I have passed, the grass will never grow again.”

    This is what is currently happening in the USA with Trump.

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    • Every Government does what you say. Or maybe not the Government, but political systems.

      I just think that just because we find something offensive we dont have the right to demand it stop. We have the right to demand actions stop when they cross the line, but speech, im not so sure about.

      Hate speech is spewed everyday, it will never end, so trying to curb it, amounts solely to censorship by a moral body detrrmining what they believe is moral. I dont find that comforting.

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  • Because people are oversensitive retards nowadays.

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  • It has become the norm since fing Trump took office.

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  • Left wing people use the terms racist, sexist, islamophobic, homophobic, and etc etc as a weapon. They can not figure out that it's hurting their own cause. Liberals are literally eating themselves. LGTB supports Islam, and islamic countries execute gays, but if I mention that to a LGTB person they will call me a racist AND a homophobic. They talk about white privilege but not American privilege.
    Even though 60% of the world makes less than 2 dollars a day they call whites privileged. Are they not privileged too by living in a rich country? I could go on and on.

    Luckily for us the majority of the country is not this stupid. They see the left has no platform or ideas to better the country. Theyre just the party of "racism bad, white people bad". But that's not enough to get elected. People want to see the country do better. They dont want to hear "patriotism is evil" from their own politicians. Trump is gonna be re-elected in a landslide and theyre gonna continue being emotional and angry. Look at the liberal above. See how emotional he is?

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  • No-one should be attacked for an opinion, it can be discussed, maybe opposed, but I don’t understand why people can’t do it in a respectful manner.
    People are allowed to have thoughts, everyone should stop trying to shove their own down others’ throats.

    We’re all going backwards at this point, saying white people, men and straight people can’t have opinions because their ‘not as oppressed’ it’s not a competition.
    Why aren’t we trying to get actual equality, not trying to turn everything in the other direction.

    That may have been a bit of a ramble, but seeing all that stuff where “certain people can’t say things” just sounds like the reversal of the old mindset.

    That’s my view on it.

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  • Might makes right, as it always has been.

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  • I think it's to do with the life cycle of civilisation. If you look at all the great longstanding civilisations throughout human history they usually end with crazy crap like this.

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  • Seriously mate? You are not allowed to think what you said in this post! I will not tolerate this bull shit!

    Seriously mate, what are you trying to say, you kinda lost me there. It seems like your wishing the world was perfect and everyone got along and sung kumba yah around the fire pit. The world will never be perfect with everyone getting along like you imply you want it to. Your probably better off not worrying about it.

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    • Its not about getting along at all, that is unreasonable. Its about allowing someone to express their opinions and beliefs no matter how silly they are.

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      • So you think people can't express what they really think? Or do you think they can't express it without being ridiculed by those who disagree? If someone says some dumb shit like there are more than two genders, I have every right to call them a dumbass waste of their dads semen. If you just think people can't express themselves at all, please elaborate.

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        • You do have that right but i think he was referring to all the universities banning right wing speakers.

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        • Yes they should, regardless of how dumb I think it is I think everyone deserves a voice. I also have the right not too waste my time listening.

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          • I see where your coming from mate, but I think it's more the issue of people feeling judged for their opinions rather tha Not being allowed to share them that's the problem. I still agree with the post though.

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          • Yeah, people can have whatever opinions they want, but I don't have to listen to them. That's the spirit! It's like watching television, or listening to the radio I can change the channel, or the station if I don't like it. The point is people have a right to their opinions, and freedom of speech, but they can't force anyone to listen, or agree with them.

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