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Like when you go to an event and they do the “National Anthem” or the “Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag”? Do you think it’s considered disrespectful to NOT stand up for it and keep sitting down? Or is it normal to choose to not participate during the National Anthem or the Pledge?
It is about intent. If you are doing it pit of protest, it is your right. If you are just being a careless lazy ass, then yes. Because those people are always disrespectful.
Silent protests are respectful by nature. The intent is to make a point in a calm manner. If you find it offensive, that is on you. The reaction of people claiming disrespect, ironically, is far more disrespectful.
I don't consider it disrespectful not to stand just because you're lazy. It's not like the pledge of allegiance is actually showing respect to anything. It's just saying that you are an ally to America. Really, those protests make no sense. By refusing to pledge allegiance, you are either pledging neutrality or hostility. If you are neutral towards or hostile to a particular government, then you should have no say in said government.
I wouldn't go that far as saying hostile neutral seems more fitting it's not like it's out right declaring war.
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about the national anthem, not the pledge. I haven't said the pledge of allegiance in decades! Where dows one even say it outside a classroom?
When I visited the US with my dad and we would go see a baseball or hockey game or something and Americans would stand up and put their hand over their hearts for their anthem we would stand up too.
We wouldn’t recite anything or put our hands over our hearts, but we would stand out of respect and as a “thank you” for the country letting us hang out and be tourists.
My dad fucking hated Americans but he would’ve beat my ass if I had disrespected them while in the US
the line “one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all” is a bunch of bunch of bull.
First off, what about those who dont believe in god? Are they no longer American? Are we no longer patriotic for our different beliefs?
Second, liberty and justice are still, not yet, for all. Yes, we no longer have blatant segregation, but institutionalized racism still exists and we are still prejudice towards those who are different.
I pledge allegiance to the flag
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THERE is a pledge!
I'm not American, but if I was in America then I would stand for the anthem. I think it would be disrespectful not to.
You're free to do what you like of course but if you're an American and you don't stand, I feel you are being disrespectful to those that have given their lives for the country. I know a few of them that have and it irritates me when someone doesn't respect the anthem or the flag.
Didn't they die so people would have the right to do the thing people get mad about because the people died for the right to said thing?
I disagree. Refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance is simply refusing to ally the country of America. It's not disrespectful to anyone, simply a statement that you are either hostile towards or neutral to the country known as the United States of America.
I think during any pledge of allegiance one should at least stand. I personally do put my hand over my heart for my own country’s. I love my country. And am proud to have been raised here and to raise my children here.
I was raised not to, but I do it now. If it’s a kid just let them as they’ll get in trouble with their parents if they do.
My father is retired military, I always stand, and put my hand on my heart for the national anthem.
Honestly, I think people should stand but at special occasions only. I'm stuck doing the pledge every day in school and it's the most tiring thing a human being can do.
I support the right of people protesting against my home country. However, I have been conditioned to do the pledge so don't expect a nice response from me
if you are able bodied and you stay seated on purpose you come off as a traitor to me. But I agree thst it should be your right to do it and I'm glad its protected by the first amendment. But to me it makes them seem ungrateful, and abit of a drama queen. They're in the richest economy in the world they got cars and air conditioning where the majority of the world is without electricity and plumbing but they respect their flag. Sure things could always be better but I think they're too stupid to find ways to fix the police problem so they decide to "rebel".
I participate out of respect by placing my hand over my heart but I don't recite anything as it feels too much like I'm accepting being part of the brainwashed masses
What difference does it make? They should do whatever the fuck they feel like!
I have mixed feelings about it I personally don't care about pledging my allegiance to something that I view as meaningless. I don't agree with the government I hate the political parties that trip over themselves to pit the masses against each other. As well as the bullshit America gets up to when it comes to foriegn policy but and this is a big BUT I get why some people would find it disrespectful. The only time I'd feel any true loyalty is if another nation actually attacked us which most nations can't because we are America. I have a lot of family members past and present who has/have served in the military so I get why some would be angry if nobody stood but I don't see it as respect to show loyalty to a flag. Showing loyality is in your actions if you aren't being disloyal or openly showing loyality to foreign enemies then it's not a issue to me if someone stands or not. What I see is blind submission and it's sad that most don't see anything wrong with it but it's their lives and I have no right to force my views them.
History check:
That pledge of allegiance.
It was written by a NAZI admirerer
He saw the national pride going on in germany.
He wanted to make America follow that ideal.
Think about the words:
Blind allegience to, a flag?
Just like blind allegience to hitler, the party, the crooked cross.
Or any other religion.
Its not about respect for those who've served.
Thats shown in the G.I. bill.
That many in politics have gutted.
Thats shown in not sending our troops to a war they cant win.
You can stand, kneel, or sit.
That IS freedom.
Its exactly that freedom that most Americans agreed to fight for in the first place.
You cant force patriotism.
Nor should you try.
Ok I quickly looked it up the guy called Francis Bellamy? Apprently he was a Christian socialist didn't know that.
He apprently was vocal about hating capitalism and had issues with the church for various reasons.
As for race yeah he didn't like other races coming into America but that's confusing because his main issue with the church was its open racism at the time.
I also found the Bellamy salute or flag salute.
Couldn't find anything about him being 100% a nazi supporter but it is odd that he'd push the salute when fascists were on the raise in Europe.
Ironic if the nazis won people like Bellamy would have been killed because he was a socialist.
The most funny thing out of all of this is the hand over your heart was adopted because of the backlash the flag salute got.
Francis Bellamy wrote the pledge of alliance and created the salute in 1892. At the time, Hitler was three years old and it would be more than 30 years before anybody did the fascist salute in Europe. (It first gained popularity in Italy, modeled after an ancient Roman salute, then moved to Germany.)
It’s unknown if Bellamy was concerned about the similarity, or if he was even aware of it, since he died in 1931, more than a year before Hitler became Chancellor and the Nazis started killing people.
The blind inq.
He wasnt a nazi.
Or a supporter.
Just to be clear.
He admired the nazi partys way of instilling national pride.
Of seeing millions of people swearing total sacrifice for their country.
My point is.
Think about the words.
Dont just parrot them.
Kids pledging the flag have no concept of what they are saying.
I definitely agree that nobody should pledge blind loyalty to anybody or anything, especially when the pledge includes the phrase “under god” in a country that’s supposed to be secular.
Francis Bellamy definitely shared some views with Hitler and the Nazis, in terms of blind nationalism and a perceived superiority compared to people who were different than them. It’s not hard to imagine Bellamy would have supported the Nazis or been a Nazi himself had he lived long enough to see their rise, especially considering he wrote the pledge as a way to celebrate a different mass murder, Christopher Columbus, on the 400 year anniversary of the beginning of the genocide he lead.
I can see what your getting at plenty of similarities.but another poster brought up a good point.
How far do you take 'respect'? Being expected to stand? Being expected to speak, or sing?
A scandal erupted when the leader of the British Labour party (who is an atheist and would rather Britain be a republic with a prime minister and a president, than a constitutional monarchy headed by the prime minister, with a ceremonial Queen/King) refused to sing during the national anthem, 'God save the Queen'.
I guess if you really hated the US and wanted everyone to know it, you'd refuse to stand.