What do you think of trans-age persons?

If a biological 50 yr old is 15, should a high school be allowed to discriminate against them attending classes?

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  • this is just trying to make trans ppl look bad jesus christ

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  • I identify as a millionaire why isnt the bank giving me money

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  • they don't exist as age dysphoria does not exist nor have any reliable studies been done proving it's existence. seriously can't u come up with something more creative this is probably the most unoriginal attempt at a jab against transgender people like "durr hurr if u can change ur gender i can be an attack helicopter then" like seriously it's starting to get stale

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    • Got to hammer the trans is not normal thing into peoples heads. If you are an adult you can do weird stuff. Acknowledging it as normal IS not normal. Ergo why people keep on asking seemingly stupid questions on what's the line of making someone else's reality "normal".

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      • it is pretty normal though, like you see it in nature. many fish are capable of changing their gender/sex for example clownfish, there's been examples of lionesses developing manes like a male and taking on the behavior and gender role of a male lion in the pride despite being born and still biologically a lioness, etc.

        even if trans people are a minority/uncommon compared to the rest of the population it doesn't mean people should purposely go out of their way to harass, insult or stigmatise them.

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        • One. we are mammals, mammals dont change gender on the fly, we dont have the ability, fish, amphibians and reptiles have drastically different reproductive conditions. Two. hormonal differences directly change how animals operate, those lionesses had more testasterone than usual, leading to typical male behavior as such. Three, we are humans and are above all animals in terms of social complexity. I'm not trying to hate on the individual trans persons. I do not care. I do care about seemingly normal people allowing a disconnect from reality purely for someone else's perceived reality.

          Using emotion to try to turn this into a wedge issue is terrible for actually solving the medical problem these people are suffering. Their suicide rate is atrocious! Jews in Auschwitz had a lower suicide rate! So societal factors cannot be used as a crutch. I want to help them, not continue their delusions because that makes it harder to reverse it. I'm not going to let a guy saw off his own arm because he believes hes an amputee. Because I want to help the guy live life with the benefit of having a fucking arm. I'm sterile, it's not fucking fun. People advertising this to children is horrendous, supporting it is malicious to humanity. To save what? The 0.04% of children who would transition as adults anyway?

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          • the original point was you claiming behaving and identifying as a different gender you are born with is not normal in your own words, yet certain animals in the animal kingdom display these traits making it natural and normal. it's a minority and only happens in special circumstances but it happens anyway. you can't claim something isn't normal when it is seen in nature.

            "Using emotion to try to turn this into a wedge issue is terrible for actually solving the medical problem these people are suffering."

            the only "cure" right now for gender dysphoria is allowing that person to transition into the gender they identify as. there is no medicine and i highly doubt there will ever be such medicine that will be capable of changing a persons brain patterns and genes into stopping them identifying as a different gender they were born as.

            "Using emotion to try to turn this into a wedge issue is terrible for actually solving the medical problem these people are suffering. Their suicide rate is atrocious!"

            societal factors ARE the main reasons why the suicide rate is so high as well as not being able to transition as well as feeling unsupported by their peers. the depression and suicidal rates in post transition trans people are lower than in trans people who have not fully transitioned or had surgery -

            https://www.inquisitr.com/3369701/new-study-finds-that-transgender-identity-is-not-a-mental-disorder

            "Apparently, distress and impairment are the two essential characteristics of a mental disorder, and they found transgender people can experience some distress but not because they are transgender, but because of social rejection and violence."

            https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

            "Transgender individuals, particularly those who cannot access treatment for gender dysphoria or who encounter unsupportive social environments, are more likely than the general population to experience health challenges such as depression, anxiety, suicidality and minority stress. While gender transition can mitigate these challenges, the health and well-being of transgender people can be harmed by stigmatizing and discriminatory treatment."

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20461468/

            "Transwomen have diminished mental health-related quality of life compared with the general female population. However, surgical treatments (e.g. FFS, GRS, or both) are associated with improved mental health-related quality of life."

            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1158136006000491

            "The subjects proclaimed an overall positive change in their family and social life. None of them showed any regrets about the SRS."

            https://www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/trans_mh_study.pdf

            "Suicidal ideation and actual attempts reduced after transition, with 63% thinking about or attempting suicide more before they transitioned and only 3% thinking about or attempting suicide more post-transition. 7% found that this increased during transition, which has implications for the support provided to those undergoing these processes (N=316)."

            https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713

            "SADS, HAD-A, and HAD-Depression (HAD-D) mean scores were significantly higher among patients who had not begun cross-sex hormonal treatment compared with patients in hormonal treatment (F=4.362, p=.038; F=14.589, p=.001; F=9.523, p=.002 respectively). Similarly, current symptoms of anxiety and depression were present in a significantly higher percentage of untreated patients than in treated patients (61% vs. 33% and 31% vs. 8% respectively)."

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21937168/

            "Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed)."

            "I want to help them, not continue their delusions"

            this is why the depression and suicidal rate is so high in transgender people, because of thoughts like this. many of the studies i've linked above literally mention transgender people with a higher rate of suicide feel like that is because of lack of medical care or feeling unsupported either by family members or society. you are apart of the problem of why transgender depression and suicidal rates are so high.

            trangender people don't kill themselves because they are transgender, they kill themselves because of people hating them, stigmatizing them and emotionally and physically assaulting them. the majority of deaths is caused because of how society treats them.

            https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-021-03084-7

            "Suicide attempts occur due to a complex interaction between socio-political, environmental, interpersonal and structural risk factors. Rather than suicidality perceived as inherent to the trans experience, trans people appear to exhibit higher rates of suicidality as a manifestation of social discrimination."

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

            "Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant. Interpersonal microaggressions, made a unique, statistically significant contribution to lifetime suicide attempts and emotional neglect by family approached significance. School belonging, emotional neglect by family, and internalized self-stigma made a unique, statistically significant contribution to past 6-month suicidality."

            https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

            "Researchers analyzed pooled data from the 2017 and 2018 National Crime Victimization Survey, the first comprehensive and nationally representative criminal victimization data to include information on the gender identity and sex assigned at birth of respondents.

            Results showed that both transgender women and men had higher rates of violent victimization than their cisgender counterparts, but there were no differences between transgender men and women.

            Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault"

            "People advertising this to children is horrendous."

            what do you mean by this? explaining to children that transgender people simply exist in the same world as them isn't advertising or grooming them to become transgender themselves. if people are walking up to children and are literally telling them to become transgender because it's so cool or some shit then yeah obviously that's wrong but i've never really seen any articles or news posts about people wandering around telling children being transgender is good and that they should become trans.

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            • Have you ever met children? They latch on to ANYTHING they precive as cool. Children are incredibly receptive to any kind of attention, normally this is shown via fads and phases. Problem is that if a child is having a transitioning fad that is exacerbated by a family that 300% supports their "choice" it's harder to determine if it was at all their choice to begin with. Putting them on drugs to hamper their puberty and eventually causing them to be sterile because they wanted to be popular.

              Instead we should just ban the practice in people under the age of 18 and see what happens. I perfer the actual transgender child waiting a few years to transition rather than a bunch of kids who would have just turned out as gay as children tend to not want to be trans in extremely high turnover rates. 85% desist ratea 56% on the lower end of the spectrum. Still a majority will forgo the trans mindset by the time they are an adult.

              People have the right to call out people who are weird. No matter how many studies come out about the benefits of reinforcing someone else's reality for their benefit. The fact remains that it's not reality.

              If the social stigma remains high you cannot try to change peoples idea by teaching them that their perceived reality is wrong because someone else will kill themselves over it. Reality cares not for other peoples perspectives. It is. You are born male, or female. Changing aesthetics is one matter, but it's impossible to change your biological sex, no matter how many drugs and how many people say that you are a different gender.

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        • Not commenting on the rest of the argument, but I REALLY wish people would stop using the fish/frog example when they're trying to prove how "normal" something is and "how often it happens". It's a pet peeve. I remember talking to a dude that thought true hermaphrodites were a real thing (particularly, as they are in certain online content, not the handful of medical cases), and he brought up frogs.

          It doesn't help your case if you can't point to a population of humans and instead have to look around the animal kingdom, and that's not even mentioning the comparison between the group you're talking about and whatever animal you're talking about. If someone starts sprouting horns, you can't point to cattle and call it a normal occurrence. It's like saying "being homosexual is very common, look at giraffes!" There's so many easier and more sensible arguments you can make without using a completely different species.

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  • I have no problems with actual trans people but THIS is entering into dangerous thinking. Where do you draw the line? Should a 45 year old who identifies as 14 be able to sleep with 14 year olds just because they identify as 14? No. No they shouldn't. This isn't comparable to gender dysphoria.

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    • This person is mocking the trans community. They're not actually be serious.

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      • Shit they just might be. Trans stuff used to be reserved to back alley red light districts for weird fetishist. Now aparently 1/3 kids are trans. Theres an individualist psychosis going on.

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        • The OP most likely is not being serious. The first answer choice on the poll gives it away. I wouldn't really be surprised if someone actually thinks like this though, especially since there are people identifying as trans-abled.

          Yeah, I don't get what's going on😂. Kids are even going as far as to identify as furries.

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    • 14 years olds shouldn't "sleep with" 14 year olds either. GFYS and KMA

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    • Kinda is. Should you allow men into a womens rest room? If I was a woman I wouldnt feel safe. My fiancee does not feel safe about the fact that men could waltz right into a female rest room.

      Theres a threshold of how much detachment from reality an individual can have until they are labeled as crazy. I say your sex cannot be changed in the same way you cant arbitrarily change your age. Gender is a social construct but that does not allow you to progress through biological sex based groupings.

      Gays exist. Doesnt change the formula of how people go about their everyday lives. Gays are not trans. Trans share the same kind of detachment from physical reality as those who prescribe themselves to be a different age. You could wind up in a car crash and be reverted back to the mental capacity of a 5 year old. Physically you did not change. It's all mental.

      Mental illness should and cannot take precedence over physical reality.

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  • I privately imagine myself as many things but I’d never dream of our rigid bureaucratic system acknowledging them in societal practice

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  • Legalize mixed-race marriage ?!
    What’s next, legalizing mixed-species marriage ?!

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  • Let them do what they want, and your poll is negative, I'm not given a choice what to vote for, and it's a very strange black-&-white-fallacy poll, irrational, between good and evil. I think old people deserve you to take them across the road and take pride how good you are, and it's just words, words to a Chinese person what you wrote look like gibberish.

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    • I cant let people "do what they want" because if you keep capitulating to this kind of disconnect from reality we will have pedophiles proudly displaying their affections for children... while having honest to god supporters.

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      • If people don't do what they want, it won't feel right, if you do something it has to be what you want, I do things to my heart's desire, it's the right thing to do, I'm just a gentleman, and I'll always be right about that.

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  • They're all mentally ill, lynch them all!

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  • Ignoring the poll, I thought old people could already attend high school?

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  • It's a bunch of bullshit that pathetic, disgusting pedophilic predators made up to make excuses for themselves.

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  • Lol

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  • I'm trans-age so I voted let them do what they want. I didn't decide my age, and it bears absolutely nothing on who I am as an individual or what I can do. I am exactly the same as I was when I was a kid. And unlike tr@nnies, I have actually BEEN a kid before so I know what it's like to be one, while Transgenders have never been the opposite gender, they only want to be it based on gender norms or sex stereotypes, or they're gays in disguise who can't accept the fact they're gay. Trans-age is therefore more valid than transgender.
    I have said this before and I'll say it again: Anything I was allowed to do as a child, I should still be able to do.

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