What do you think about the scott adams thing?

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I'm always appalled by these kinds of stories, not because of the person in question, but because there's always a horde of people that come out to defend them.

To anyone unfamiliar with the story, Scott Adams came out to say that black people are a hate group because of a Rasmussen poll of 1000 people where 12% disagreed with the statement "it's okay to be white". I can't seem to find what percentage of those respondents were black, but of the black people that responded, 26% disagreed with that statement.

So based off this data, and because another 21% of blacks answered "not sure", Scott Adams went on his vlog and said half of all blacks aren't okay with white people. At some point, he mentioned moving to a place with less blacks and that he's no longer identifying as black. ... You can go and search up his vlog for better context.

So let's see how many racists are on IIN! (I looked at the comment section for this story on Fox and now I want to do a compare n' contrast.)

Any opinions on the poll or Scott Adams?

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  • MonteMetcalfe
    22 days ago | pl

    According to the Rasmussen poll;
    53% of Black Americans agree with the statement "It's Okay To Be White"
    26% Disagree
    21% Not Sure
    Which means 47% of Black respondents don't/won't agree that it's ok to be white.

    Imagine the uproar over the poll results themselves if the races were reversed. So I'm not really sure who you are calling racists??? Imagine if 47% of White people wouldn't agree with the statement "It's ok to be Asian".

    However, after watching part of his video, I wouldn't agree with what he said that Black people are a hate group.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      22 days ago | pl

      Go ahead and do that poll and see what the responses are. There was already an uproar over this one, the only thing that would change is the political affiliation.

      People not wanting to agree with the statement can come from multiple reasons. Some people have faced actual racism and haven't seen anyone that would dissuade them, some people live in communities with very few white people, some people could have simply misinterpreted the question since it's a loaded question anyway. It's the kind of question you ask specifically so you can get angry if the agree rate isn't 100%.

      By the way, the only people I'm calling racists are people who took a subset of 1000 people, extrapolated that out to the entire black population, and used that as an excuse to agree with this sentiment. There were a ton of them on the Fox page.

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      • MonteMetcalfe
        22 days ago | pl

        I agree it is a fucked up poll question to ask, probably just to stir trouble. It can be interpreted in any number of ways. What they should have asked was "Do you like White People?".

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  • raisinbran
    22 days ago | pl

    He’s living in a bubble insulated from reality. Finally figuring out he was lied to about the poison must have created errors in his programming.

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  • Meatballsandwich
    22 days ago | pl

    Hating anyone based on the color of their skin is stupid.

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  • Pinkpickle
    22 days ago | pl

    Sounds like he's just a racist who was looking for a reason to spout his bullshit.

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    • SaddleGoose
      22 days ago | pl

      If that reason was factual findings that half of blacks can't agree that white people should exist, is it racism or appropriate what he said and why?

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      • Pinkpickle
        22 days ago | pl

        No it's not appropriate. First of all the poll was a pathetic and laughable 1000. That is not even close to a big enough sample size to determine ANYTHING let alone a claim like "all black people are part of a hate group". Which is obviously what he's trying to imply.

        A sample size of 1000 means nothing and is completely worthless. Making blanket statements about entire groups of people is idiotic at best.

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        • SaddleGoose
          22 days ago | pl

          1000 absolutely is enough as far as I can see from a quick search in to quantative research which seems to agree upon 100 samples being the minimum, which means this research had 4x more than the minimum as a sample size.

          I also think from what I've heard, this research doesn't say that all black people think this way but that half do. HALF. That is not a small and miniscule amount, we're talking a coin flip. That is a problem.

          If they wanted to delve in to this topic more and to FURTHER research then that would be fantastic but you can't just dismiss this because it doesn't meet your subjective view to how large the sample size should be when it seems agreed upon that this research had 4x the recommended sample size minimum.

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          • Pinkpickle
            22 days ago | pl

            But it's not half though. 26 percent said it's not ok to be white. 21 percent said they weren't sure meaning they don't know how to feel.

            That 21 is confused they never outright said they hate white people. So saying 50 percent is jumping the gun.

            Hell even if the percent was 50% I really can't blame them since America refused to call black people equal until the middle of the fifties and then STILL continued to treat black people like shit for quite a while after.

            It's only been 69 years since America acknowledged black people as equal and then America continued to treat black people like crap any way.

            People are literally still alive from a time when America called them lesser and basically wouldn't acknowledge them as human. No shit some black people are still sore at white people.

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            • SaddleGoose
              22 days ago | pl

              No, that's not jumping the gun. If you aren't sure if it's justified for a group of people to exist based on their immutable characteristics, then that is already an extremist position to hold, the 26% is just a further extreme position.

              The rest is you simply justifying it, quite literally the "It's not happening! But it's okay if it happens" line. You don't get to hate an entire group of people based on the past because you then justify hatred of those for their immutable characteristics rather than those that were guilty of crimes of the past. For example, take the Black Lives Matter Riots. Are the citizens of the communities they ravaged free to hate all black people now because the people that destroyed their communities happen to be black? Those black people quite literally revoked the human rights of those within those communities, so by your logic those residents are free to hate all blacks, or do the rules suddenly change?

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  • godsdog
    20 days ago | pl

    Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed

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  • 1WeirdGuy
    21 days ago | pl

    Personally I dont care if black people dont think its ok to be white. Thats their prerogative.

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  • SaddleGoose
    22 days ago | pl

    If those findings are correct then he's right, and that's scary.

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      22 days ago | pl

      No he isn't, he doesn't understand how to read statistics. There's around 47 million black people in the United States. This was a poll of 1000 adults (not all respondents were black). 12% overall said it wasn't okay, 26% of blacks said it wasn't okay.

      To put this in perspective, 26% of 1000 is 260. Except not all the respondents were black. If we assume the *only* demographics to vote were just black and white, for 26% of blacks to only bump the overall rate to 12%, the *maximum* there could have been is about 462 people (if my math is right). 26% of 462 is only about 120. Or, if you want to use Scott's logic that "I don't know" means the same thing, then 47% of 462 is about 217.

      I'm pretty sure 462 isn't even a viable *minimum* sample size to represent 47,000,000. Skipping straight to playing the victim and "HALF OF ALL BLACKS ARE OUT TO GET ME" is ridiculous. The findings could be completely genuine, it doesn't matter because that's not how statistics work.

      TL;DR
      This poll means as much as me going to West Virginia and polling 500 white people with a question like "are black people okay", and then using the results to say some percentage of all whites are members of the KKK.

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      • SaddleGoose
        22 days ago | pl

        A quick Google of quantative research shows a general agreement of sample pool size being 100, which means the research being cited has 4x the minimum suggested sample size.

        Research like this rarely includes a sample pool of a large percentage of any group, so to dismiss these findings on a subjective view of how much of a sample pool "is enough" isn't sound.

        Your analogy about Virginia was misplaced. If 500 white people were picked at random in Virginia to ask of blacks were okay and half of them said no or couldn't say yes, then that would absolutely have a bad representation of white Virginians.

        I think we may have to swallow a black pill on this one on race relations and how White people might not be to blame this time.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          22 days ago | pl

          Do a deeper Google search. I got multiple conflicting answers when I did mine, ranging between 100 and 2400. And that's ignoring the common sense of "maybe 100 people doesn't represent the whole country and using the absolute minimum is probably a bad idea."

          I'm mainly disputing the idea that you could say "half of all blacks hate whites" based on this. That's why, in my example, I used a vague question like "are black people okay". You can't read that and say "if you answered No, you want to kill blacks." "It's not okay to be white" can mean anything you want it to mean. It can be insulting, but it doesn't imply violence.

          And the idea that white people somehow have nothing to do with this is extra strange. Don't get me wrong, I would say the same thing about blacks if the colors were reversed. Race relations are not a one-way street. 12% overall, not just black people, disagreed with that statement.

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          • SaddleGoose
            22 days ago | pl

            I'd much rather ask you where you got the 2400 number from because when I Google that number the only time that number is referenced is in the context of reducing the margin of error, not the minimum sample pool required to recognize trends and patterns.
            However, the fact that you admit yourself that multiple answers you found claim 100 to be the minimum required samples size (some go as low as 30) and yet claim with absolute certainty that 1000 is too low, even though with out combined references to sample pool minimums 1000 is actually a pretty concrete sample pool in comparison to the referred minimum, makes me dubious of your intent here. I assume that you assumed 1000 was honestly a small sample size and only realized that it's quite good for a sample size upon reading my comment and searching the minimum required sample size yourself, which is absolutely fine so long as we take the new information we found and apply it.

            You say that this study wouldn't support the idea that half of blacks hate whites, but I'd have to ask what would motivate them to believe the existence of an entire group of people is up for consideration? In all honesty, it sounds like a lot of cope with intent to go down a semantics justification to skirt around what the findings have found.
            So let's take "Hate" off the table because that word isn't necessary. This research has findings that suggest that half of black people do not believe that an entire race of people should exist, be it that they believe they SHOULDN'T exist or they haven't made up their mind if it's justified for a race to exist.
            There is no need for the word "Hate" in here, that is absolutely abhorrent by itself, and in any other context I'm sure you would agree.

            I'm not speaking about violence, so I'll ask not to shoehorn things that I never mentioned. Are you suggesting that half of an entire demographic questioning the justification of a race's existence is morally permissible so long as violence is not involved?

            I'd agree, but the findings didn't find that half of white people can't agree that it's okay to be white.

            Here is what we know from this. The findings of this study suggest that half of black people are not sure if it's morally acceptable for a race of people to be the race that they are.

            For a bonus question, I'll ask this. If further research went in to this and found that these results were the average findings among the same survey with multiple refreshed sample pools, what would your view be?

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            • Anonymous Post Author
              21 days ago | pl

              The 2400 was from a sample size calculator that let you enter the population. One gave a very high number (that one), another one I used gave me about 370, another one 270, another source suggested 1000. I also only suggested 100 and 500 were too low, since we're talking about a number significantly less than 1000. Take a closer look, I already said multiple times that the participants in this poll were not all black. All of my numbers assumed the maximum possible, but that's unlikely. We have no idea how many black people were actually polled here, so we can't even pretend to interpret the data. It could very well be below 100 people.

              "The existence of an entire group" is exactly the shit I was just talking about. You're going on a tangent about your right to exist when the question was "it's okay to be white".

              I'm saying the very idea that half of a demographic is questioning your existence is pure fantasy. If they polled a full sample of black people as the focus of the study and got the same results, I would suggest that you walk outside, touch grass, and go directly to your nearest black person to talk to them about it. Instead of sitting around on your vlog talking about it being scary and frightening, maybe try to understand why so many people might have answered the question that way. You don't get to just run and hide from the problem and blame everyone else.

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  • litelander8
    22 days ago | pl

    I’ve said before that the community I live in is mostly black people.

    And most black people really don’t like white people. Some have been taught through generations not to trust us. Others learn by watching the media which profits from hatred and separation.

    That’s not saying all. And not saying that that doesn’t go for white people too. But some people are brainwashed and fucking radical.

    Fuck the man, love your neighbors.

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    • dude_Jones
      21 days ago | pl

      Or, log into Google. Google remembers all your biases, and finds stuff you want to hear. Everyone lives in an individualized bubble.

      Scott Adams is making his own bubble conclusion based on people interpreting his questions in their own bubble.

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