Thought on placebos

People say placebos are just things people say will work, but don't actually do anything. But what makes them placebos is the fact that it makes you feel like that thing happened.

For example: if someone gives you a sugar pill and says it will get rid of your headaches, and it actually does, (even thought it's just sugar and you thinking that it would that meanhelp is all you needed to feel better), would that mean that placebos are a good thing and actually work? I mean, why give someone something that really works and is more expensive, when you can give them something that will work as long as they believe it will.

I feel people generally precieve placebos to be a bad thing. They want something that /really/ works; but it does.

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  • S0UNDS_WEIRD

    I'm not sure what you're asking exactly. Are you asking if we feel that people should be given placebos?

    If so, in some cases, yes. A few years back I developed an interest in this because it suggested to me that the brain is apparently capable of healing the body more effectively than it does on its own and that this should be studied to find a way for people to more effectively heal at will.

    The whole thing originally seemed kind of paranormal to me, like telepathy and telekinesis, purported brain powers not able to be explained by current science. However, healing on some level is something we do anyway, that is explained. The question is why it wouldn't work at 100% without something as strange as the belief that change is coming. Also, unlike telepathy and telekinesis, this effect had actually been observed. I had to know more.

    Unfortunately it seems placebos only prevent the brain from making certain choices and sometimes convince it to make others. I'll give some examples. If you sneeze, your brain chose to make you sneeze in response to data it had. When you accomplish something and feel good, your brain chooses to release dopamine and serotonin. When you feel pain, your brain chooses to create the sensation in response to damage. When you see, your brain is choosing to create perception with the photon data it has from your eyes. It doesn't have to do any of this.

    All of these things aren't as autonomous as they seem. We, our conscious minds, are slaves to our unconscious minds which also make choices.

    So the placebo effect can't cure cancer. If you're experiencing headaches, it can't lead the brain to cure any underlying cause any faster than it could have before, but it can be led not to choose to make your conscious mind feel pain over it. The unconscious mind could put the conscious one to sleep whenever it wants. Sleeping and waking are choices it makes. If you're experiencing insomnia, the placebo effect can help you sleep.

    In other words, it seems the placebo effect mostly affects the brain's response to ailments, and as far as experienced symptoms go, sometimes that response is the only thing that feels like an ailment and changing that response can be helpful.

    As to why this happens, we're still rather in the dark, but my own personal hypothesis is that the subconscious mind perceives the conscious mind having sought treatment as grounds to stop the signaling to the conscious mind. It's like if you placed your hand on a hot stove burner without looking. The subconscious mind determines damage is being done and produces the pain sensation so that you move your hand.

    I suspect that it often interprets taking pills for known problems as "moving your hand" so to speak. The subconscious mind has some difficulties understanding the conscious mind, but as the sublayer it can extrapolate a lot more than vice versa. I actually find it somewhat disturbing to know that something generally concerned with doing things like telling my heart to beat is sufficiently aware of my conscious world to know I sought medication. As the placebo effect goes, if it got wind that the pills don't do anything, it would immediately respond as it did before, prodding me to do something about the problem as it cannot.

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    • Chap

      [OP] and, I do agree with what you said. I mean, of course the sugar pills and myths can't cure something that the subconscious mind couldn't possibly do [like cancer, or anything of that nature].

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    • Chap

      [OP] The question is, I guess, if you agree with my thoughts.

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  • olderdude-xx

    The mind is the most powerful medicine ever invented.

    Many minor, and a few major, illnesses actually get better just because a person believes they are being treated and it will get better.

    Placebos are perfect for certain minor issues where there is no significant risk. They are not appropriate for reoccurring issues.

    They are very valuable when testing medications as they allow us to see if a medication makes a real impact or not.

    The patient needs to be unaware that they are receiving placebo for them to be effective.

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    • Chap

      [OP] Agreed

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  • Wryladradofft

    For small things that don't have a risk of getting worse if untreated, I think placebos are nice. You don't have to hide the fact that they're placeboes either; a lot of the time, they'll work even if the patient knows they're not real.

    Otherwise though, actual medication should always be used. Especially in the case of spreadable diseases. We don't need another Tuskegee Syphilis study

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    • Chap

      [OP] I agree. I just meant small things like a small headache, or a stomach ache.

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  • SwickDinging

    Placebos are very useful in medicine and definitely have their place.

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  • thepuppet

    I think people should learn to not have negative connotations for placebos, yeah. They are what they are-- they can be a tool and are generally harmless when they are applied (?).

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  • Boojum

    A couple of years ago, I watched some BBC TV programme where a medical doctor suggested that when you have a headache, you shouldn't automatically take a tablet, but instead first drink a large glass of water.

    I don't often get headaches, but when I have, I've done this and it works far more often than not.

    So, is that because headache is often one of the first symptoms of dehydration, or did that authority-figure put an idea in my head that triggers the placebo effect?

    The only thing that matters to me is that the pain goes away (although the minimal price of the water cure is also nice).

    If you look at the history of medicine, you'll find that some of the "cures" used in ancient times were very weird. While it's true that some substances found in nature can have a very dramatic effect on the human body, there's no way that many of those treatments could have any "real" effect in the sense of affecting the physiological functions of the patient's body or delaying or even reversing the progress of a disease. And yet people were willing to pay doctors to treat them. Contrary to what lots of people want to believe today, people in olden times weren't all completely stupid, so the treatments must have been perceived as having some effect, and the placebo effect is a plausible explanation.

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  • 1WeirdGuy

    Because statistically they work but not as well as drugs that are proven to treat the issue. Thats why they have placebo controlled studies.

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  • RoseIsabella

    The thought of anyone telling another person that they're going to get medication, and then just giving them a sugar pill pisses me off, and reminds me of the evil that was the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. 😡

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    • Chap

      [OP] Yes, unfortunately, as helpful placebos can actually be, there is a tricky moral side to actually prescribing them to people.

      In order for placebos to really work, the patient must be very eager and hopeful to get better and/or they must believe in the placebo.

      I guess you could give it to them and not say is medication, just say that it would make them feel better. But I don't advocate for deliberate lying, nor overcharging for placebos [sugar pills].

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      • RoseIsabella

        I think it would be unethical to prescribe a placebo to someone, because it would be WRONG to charge someone, and or their insurance company for nothing, because a sugar pill is basically just nothing. It's wrong to charge something for nothing; it's basically just lying, and stealing.

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        • Chap

          [OP] But some people would do anything to get better, and companies do need to profit, I feel they should at least be charged for the doctor's services, not the pill.

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          • RoseIsabella

            No, if people need positive thinking, then what they need to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy with a mental health professional, not a pretend appointment where an medical doctor lies to them.

            Cognitive behavioral therapy, deep breathing and other similar techniques can be very helpful for those struggling with stress, and anxiety as well as those struggling with medical conditions that are made worse by stress, and anxiety.

            There is such a thing as informed consent with regard to experiments, and do do otherwise is unethical.

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