Is it unfair for teachers to grade on presenting ability?

Why do teachers need to grade on "presenting ability" rather than the content of the presentation? I've have social anxiety since I was a small child. They always said presenting in front of people would get easier over time. Well I'm a senior in college and I still suck at it. If I'm not taking a presentations class, I don't want to be marked down 10% for having bad presentation skills!!! I can't be the only one who feels this way!!

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  • bigbudchonga

    Unfortunately "presenting" well is an incredibly useful skill. I want to be a lecturer, but I know with my current ability in presenting I couldn't do it. Being received well/convincingly is important for life. Maybe take some classes? I have intrusive thought OCD anxiety too man, one thing I think can carry you far in presenting is confidence, or at least the facade of it.

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  • JD777

    Having good ideas is one thing. Being able to present them effectively is another. Many ideas die, get ignored, not acted on, turned down and other bad outcomes when they are poorly presented.

    I'm surprised presenting skills aren't a bigger part of education. One common trait of people who get promoted faster in my industry are people with good presentation skills.

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    • BlindSpot

      It's true. Fake it 'til you make it. They put too much importance on getting higher grades, meanwhile making and keeping 'contacts' gets you places much quicker than the conventional route.

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  • bubsy

    It's only unfair in that the curriculum itself probably taught you little at all about presentation skills. You are expected to possess some of your own, and if you do not, it's on you to practice, listen to youtube videos and learn how to present yourself effectively.

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    • jellyjelly

      Believe me, I've tried. I've practiced. I've done all the jumping through hoops expected of me to improve. At the end of the day, some people are good at certain things and some people aren't. Expecting everyone to be good at that is crappy to me. I know what I'm talking about. I know the material. The fact that I'm not an expressive presenter shouldn't matter. I'm gonna be working in a lab with specimens all day. Who gives a crap if I'm enthusiastic?

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      • bubsy

        Being able to communicate your thoughts effectively is a skill of a successful human being, period. Like any other skill, some will naturally be more gifted at it than others. That doesn't change the fact it's a skill that can be trained.

        Here's a tip: it's called interACTING for a reason. Pretend that you're acting, and overexpress yourself. Chances are, what feels overdone and cheesy to you really isn't.

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      • JD777

        If you’re going to work in a lab, you may be in my industry. I am constantly looking for people in the lab that have good communications skills. I’m always in need of scientific/technical people who can present our science to investors, partners and at other meetings. This provides them a fast way to move up and learn other parts of the business. But you might be happy just keeping your nose down at the bench. We need that, too.

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      • Boojum

        You might find the ability to manufacture enthusiasm useful if you're ever in a position where you have to pitch your lab's work to a potential sponsor or donor.

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  • SeekNPlay

    I have social anxiety, ( I don’t like to think that, but I do) I usually just mimic my favorite characters personality and present that way. Try it out haha it’s kinda fun. For example( I’m usually quiet, but if I have to present I’d copy someone who is more enthusiastic and replace that as my own.

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  • NoLifer

    Hate to break it to you but if you can not explain your ideas to anyine else they are useless. Unless you are given a job in which you alone are given tasks with a simple timeframe. However even than you might have to occasionally explain your process or project to your boss. So communication skills are important regardless my freind.

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  • SomeEmoLord

    You probably haven't had social anxiety since a small child but rather stagefright or a social phobia of some sort. They're similar but not the same.

    As for the actual question. I see where you're coming from, i have really bad issues when it comes to talking to people, especially in a group, however, presenting is not only a useful skill but also a necessary one if you want to get somewhere in life

    Also only 10%? I'm pretty sure i can marked down as much as 40% for not doing it

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  • FinDuMonde

    I see it as UNFAIR! If the teacher hasn't taught you what "proper" presentation skills are first, then how is it fair for him/her to lower uour grade on it? You have a legitimate reason to complain to the principal or other admins! Good luck and please let me know how things turn out.

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  • BleedingPain

    I have high social anxiety (hard time talking on the phone, presentations, making small talk with people I hardly know) but these are things that wont go away in life. So, yes, It is fair. Sometimes school does try to teach you life skills.

    If its a huge problem, try reading infront of a mirror, then 1 person, and so on...

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  • SkullsNRoses

    It’s only 10%, I wouldn’t stress about it. Just speak clearly, resist the urge to speed up if you get nervous and try to have your first line memorised so you’re not reading it off notes to get it off to a good start. I’m sure it will be fine.

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  • BlindSpot

    Yes you have put in great work, so do it justice and convey it well to others :)

    While you may feel this way, don't allow your challenges to drown you, let them build you.

    Push yourself, heck even drink some herbal tea before you leave in the morning to calm your nerves.

    The more you practise, the more better at it you will get. Before presenting, drink a little water to calm you down, or even take it with you in front and if you get stuck, take a sip. Pause in between your sentences tactfully, especially when trying to make a point. There are many tricks to this, like staring at the wall at the back. I think every one is nervous at first, and some even throughout, but there are little tips and tricks and a lot of preparation which can get you through and sounding great.

    Watch other people giving speeches, and start off yours in a fun or interesting way, maybe a poem or a story or even a good quote. This will break the tension. Try memorising your speech for an easier flow. Look in the mirror and practise, or do it in front of friends or family.

    Talk as if you were speaking to a friend, and let all your doubts and fears descend.

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  • nikkiclaire

    Do they require you to give live oral presentations? If so, create impressive and thorough PowerPoints so you minimize what you have to say.

    If they don't, create an amazing video and you will barely have to speak at all.

    There are groups called toastmasters too that teach you this stuff.

    Life's not fair, but you have to play the game to succeed and presenting is part of that, so it should be part of your grades.

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  • SwickDinging

    It's one of many skills you are assessed on. So it is fair. Doesn't make it pleasant though. I'd try not to worry about it too much though because if you have other skills and you aren't comfortable presenting then you probably won't end up in a job that involves doing that anyway.

    The alternative is to try and improve your presenting skills, but this involves putting yourself in a lot of situations that will make you feel very stressed and uncomfortable, so it's really up to you whether or not you think it would be worth it. If I was you (and I was like this in school) then I'd sack it off and just get a job in a research lab or similar. Depending on what position you take you may still have to present, but it will usually be to a very small group of people who have as many social problems as you and will be purely interested in the facts you present, not the way that you present. You will be happier in this sort of work.

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  • Trash_O_Fish_Al

    I totally understand and share your struggles but unfortunately, presentation skills are important for almost all jobs so I would say it's fair especially for a college because it's so close to getting a full-time job. those types of soft skills are skills that a lot of people don't focus on enough making them even more valuable when looking for a job.

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  • pizzabrowniesushi

    Pretend you are not at school. You are at home with your peeps and you are telling a funny story. This is what I do when I am presenting,

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  • pizzabrowniesushi

    Look at your syllabus paper/or notes. You can get a idea of what he/she is looking for.If the prof is approachable maybe ask.If she/he is gruff ask a student that had her before.

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  • leggs91200

    Not really fair no.

    The school system LOVES to flunk kids. To them it is a joke when they can make students' lives more miserable.
    In elementary, we had this one bitch of a teacher who used to always say, "if you don't do (whatever), I will give yo a solid F."

    There is often this talk about why students are falling further behind, why kids are not as smart. Well let's see - perhaps when they keep finding ways to make shit harder for kids, yeah they are going to fail.

    I know, I know, their ancestors used to get up at 4:30 AM to do 3 hours worth of hard labor before and after school but still got straight A's.

    All I can say is do the minimum to get by and leave the rest.

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  • donteatstuffoffthesidewalk

    a stumblin stutterin mess who cant make theys case for theyselves aint gonna be taken seriously

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    • jellyjelly

      So that translates to giving me a bad grade in a CHEMISTRY course?

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  • Boojum

    I can sympathise, but out in the real world of business, presentations are a fact of life. Even if you're doing the most mundane, lowest corporate level job, you can be called on to give one.

    I'm not sure I agree with giving marks for presentation, but I think that having to do them is useful experience. It's unfortunate that you feel you're not finding them any easier, but that is what happens for most people.

    Complaining about it being unfair or difficult for you is obviously pointless. The rules are what they are.

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    • leggs91200

      Also though in corporate places, nothing is ever enough. You could do a week's worth of work in 1 hour but soon they would want it done in 30 minutes.
      Why? Because -
      "At my other office, we had half as many people and most of them were deaf and blind but they managed to finish twice the work in half the time as this place".
      Ahhh bullshit BULLSHIT.

      Bosses think stuff like that is SO inspiring. Those of us who are not complete idiots think, "I am getting paid by the hour".

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      • SkullsNRoses

        Urgh- true! When I worked in a posh department store last year we were meeting our targets but the managers still had a go at us for not being the London Oxford Street branch (which is the biggest company’s biggest and busiest store in the WORLD). Morons.

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        • leggs91200

          Managers are often delusional. Upper management feeds them this bullshit and they just have to pass it down. However, SOME managers actually believe their store is going to be the "London Oxford Street" branch. I am not familiar with that company but it doesn't matter, they are all the same as far as corporate BS goes.

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    • jellyjelly

      I realize it's pointless. I'm just asking for other people's opinions.

      I honestly kind of wish there would be more presentations, because giving one a year really isn't enough practice to get good at them.

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      • Boojum

        I was pretty socially awkward when I was young, and I hated giving presentations, even to small groups of people I knew well. As I got older, I figured out that just about everyone is faking it, and I learned not to give a shit about people's opinions.

        Because I always felt that awkwardness was a liability, our daughter attends youth theatre. She has no more interest in getting into show business than we have in seeing her in that line of work, but it's done wonders for her confidence in front of an audience of strangers.

        If you feel you would benefit from learning how to be more comfortable in front of an audience, there probably will be some sort of group you could join. Maybe check out Toastmasters.

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        • jellyjelly

          I'm actually in 3 musical performance groups. I've even had solos and I've done just fine. I don't know what it is. My brain doesn't feel nervous giving presentations, but my body shakes, my face is red, I stutter...it's awful. Thanks for your advice

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          • Boojum

            You probably realise it already, but these things can be self-perpetuating. Once you experience anxiety in a particular setting, you're primed for it to repeat the next time.

            Beta blockers? A little liquid courage?

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