Is it normal to wonder if eugenics really is a pseudoscience?

Eugenics is commonly known as a pseudoscience. I don't quite understand why, since it is a fact that it's applied EVERY day by farmers and such, to improve the quality of
their stock. When the (admittedly very controversial) idea is brought up to apply it to humans, however, it's suddenly a "pseudoscience." Can someone explain to me why this is?

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  • Nobody says this.

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    • I do.

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      • Exactly.

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  • myboyfriendsbitch

    We do it for love. We look past having little fat kids with pug noses because we are human. I don't think it's a pseudoscience, but it's much more difficult for us to reproduce based on genetics because we are compassionate beings. We are too complex (or stupid) to make decisions based only on facts. We did not breed ourselves to become ethically flawless and I don't think we're ready to start now. However, sometimes our instincts do lead us to have beautiful, healthy children despite the "facts".

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    • charli.m

      This. I really like how you said this :)

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  • dom180

    Anyone who calls it a pseudoscience is using those words wrong. However, that doesn't even come close to resolving the ethical debate.

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  • hairyfairy

    We need to give eugenics a lot more thought nowadays, because there are far too many people suffering because of bad genes. Now that we have the technology to test for so many hereditary diseases, it makes sense for it to be made cheap enough for any couple who are planning a family to have access to testing. If I were contemplating having children, I`d want to know if there was anything nasty in my genes that I might pass on.

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  • NeuroNeptunian

    I didn't know anyone had ever said that it was a pseudoscience.

    The whole science of genetics is tricky business though, both ethically and scientifically. It's not always 100% clear which traits can be offset or dominated by which traits which would make selective breeding for humans a less-than-exact technique if ever tried or implemented. Ethically, many people believe that selecting who should breed with whom to produce the most desirable traits would take away the element of individuality that makes us (essentially) human (which is a tricky argument because with selective breeding, who we are as people would be, in large part, decided by someone who feels that they have the right to make that decision and on the other hand, no matter what, we get no say in our genetic structure).

    It is definitely NOT a pseudoscience by any means. Much of the field is very well researched and if there is an element of pseudoscience, it lies with the people who use eugenics to justify their own feelings against any particular race, creed or culture. I'm not getting into that.

    Personally, while I believe in the human's natural ability to select mates who will produce genetically well and healthy offspring, I do believe people should be more consciously selective about who they have children with. Not just for the purposes of healthy offspring but to ensure that their offspring can enjoy the benefit of a stable and decent home. As far as creating the "best human being possible", what constitutes the "best" is dependent on the culture and the times. We could possibly be setting ourselves up for a race of people whose traits will be completely unappreciated later on in the future.

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  • Couman

    Who says it's pseudoscience, exactly?

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  • suckonthis9

    It's ignorance coupled with propaganda spread during WWII, and continued by some politicized religious groups, postwar.

    Did you know that the USA had, in fact, a Eugenics Program, prior to the aforementioned conflict, as well as adopting many other 'new' ideas that were originating in the 'Central European Countries'?

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  • dybex

    The creation of a master race is a nonsense. There are too many variables. Look at the royal families of Europe. After centuries of careful breeding what do you get? Prince f''king Charles!! lol

    Eugenics is BS.

    You can improve the human race by educating people, giving them a healthy nutritional diet and a better standard of living. At the same time, you can discourage them from doing things that would damage their health and thereby shorten their lifespan and the lives of others.

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  • KingRabbit

    Check out your local library.

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  • sega31098

    It's not.
    Eugenics is the whole reason why dogs exist and are so lovable by humans. We removed the unappetizing traits and kept the good ones.

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    • Right, today's dog is appetizing. I had myself one for lunch.

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  • RomeoDeMontague

    Perhaps they fear it would be abused to create more race wars much like Hitler. So instead of saying "No asthmatics, no aid patients, no poor vision and no def" that it will instead be used to say "No blacks, whites, yellow, brown so on". However honestly if you are considering having children you should consider what type of illness you pass to them. Why I not sure if I want to have kids based on my family history and ailments. Also who decides what is desirable traits? It would vary depend on who you are asking. Though from a scientific point if we want the best results we should at least mate with someone that will either balance out the ailments or if you have aliments to just NOT have kids. Also really you can not base such decisions on one race. Since all people and all races have different features. We need diversity. Some races are naturally taller, or smaller or more flexible. So lets say you want a person for sports most would probobly go for the very tall race not the very short one. However while certien people might be better designed for something does not mean they will care about or excel in that sport.

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  • It's strange how people are generally much more concerned with the breed of their dogs and horses, than of their own children.

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    • Sumi

      Brags to friends about $10,000 puppy. Friends ask about their children.... <mind goes blank>. They usually get angry about it too.

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    • LilyAmongTheThorns

      What if you fall in love with someone that has an undesirable genetic trait?

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      • Then just maybe you shouldn't breed with them. Then again.....

        1) It very much depends on exactly what the particular trait is.
        2) If it's just ONE, then it very well may be of little concern anyway.

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        • LilyAmongTheThorns

          I always thought that if it was something very serious, or a series of congenital conditions that might pass on, adoption should be looked into...

          but it's really hard to get people to agree on what an "undesirable genetic trait" is.

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          • Sumi

            Lily you bring up an important point about the whole issue. Sometimes what seems like an undesirable trait is really not. That one trait can be offset by another which in turn as a whole make them an asset to society. Example children with down syndrome can be very lovable and bring joy to everyone's life.

            Think the problem with people calling it a pseudoscience is people will not take it seriously until another tragic event occurs. In an age where people can manipulate the DNA of their kids we should be having serious discussions.

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            • LilyAmongTheThorns

              I agree totally, even something like Down's isn't a setback when the parents are at a place where they can provide a happy, wonderful, loving home for the child.

              Basically I don't think it should be a question of whether or not eugenics is legitimate (because scientifically proven, it is) but rather it's a question of ethics, which stretches broadly into the familial, social, and cultural realms as well as the fields of science & medicine, which can help to offset and mitigate "undesirable" traits. And THAT is what's so difficult to discuss, because we all feel so differently about things.

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  • Terence_the_viking

    Eugene nicks his friend pedro's science project?

    what the hell man.

    you can't trust anyone these days.

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  • Theadage

    It's a blatant -Ism of every proportion. You have to take into account the time period which it was popularized... the culture, ideology, and history of it. It is biased with emtoional -Isms.

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