Is it normal to think “yours’s” should work

Alright. Hear me out.

The word “yours” talks about something that belongs to you. “This cat is yours”
And you can add a ‘s to possessive words with an s already at the end. Right? “These are the mountain pass’s trails”

The CAT is yours, she belongs to you. And if I talk to the cat, I can say “Your tail is yours, Mrs Cat”

Then WHY doesn’t this sentence WORK?!

A group of women are at a party, they all bring their cats to the party. One woman says to another woman, while trying to determine which paw prints belong to which cat,
“All of these cat paw prints belong to our cats! Which of these paw prints are yours’s?”

MEANING, which of these cat paw prints belong to YOUR cat. You own the cat, the cat owns the paw prints.

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  • Boojum

    "Yours" is a possessive pronoun, so it's not treated the same as a noun in written English. "Its", "ours" and "whose" are other possessive pronouns. It is simply a convention that the possessive apostrophe never appears in these words, although the sound in spoken speech is exactly the same as "your's", "who's", "our's" and "it's". (As I'm sure you know, "it's" and "who's" are contractions of "it is" and "who is" or "who has", so the apostrophe does serve a useful purpose in distinguishing between two different meanings.)

    I haven't looked into it and I'm definitely not an expert on English grammar or etymology, but I assume that at some point there was a consensus that the apostrophe should be dropped from possessive pronouns, even though they followed the general rule that possession is indicated by a final s sound in spoken speech.

    "Yours's" makes no sense whatsoever because that would indicate some sort of double possession.

    The example you give of “All of these cat paw prints belong to our cats! Which of these paw prints are yours’s?” doesn't make much logical sense either, since the questioner seems to be asking which of the other women made the paw prints, not which of the cats did it. It would make more sense to ask, "Whose cat made these paw prints?"

    JellyBeanBandit mentions "mine's" and gives the example of "they're mine's". I accept that this is used in colloquial English, but it sounds uneducated to me. "Whose are these cat prints? They are mine's," is comprehensible, but a more grammatically correct (and logical) response would be, "My cat made them."

    Something that causes a lot of debate and confusion is the appropriate use of either a possessive apostrophe alone or an apostrophe and s in proper nouns that end in s. This is largely a matter of style, making the meaning clear and sometimes replicating what would be said in spoken English.

    You are correct that you would write, “These are the mountain pass’s trails”, and you would also write, "The Brenner Pass's main road is now clear of snow." But most style guides would recommend, "The Beatles' albums," rather than, "The Beatles's albums", because if that phrase was spoken, it would not sound like, "The Beatleses albums". However, you would write, "That is the Jones's house," because when spoken, the sentence would sound like, "That is the Joneses house".

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  • XYXY

    Who the fuck takes their cat to a party anyway

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    • RoseIsabella

      I have taken my cat to a Christmas party at my folks house before when other relatives had brought their dogs too.

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      • XYXY

        Ok if you’re staying over with family or something cos it’s Christmas that’s different. But this is more like, a group of women take their cats to a party as if it’s a party for cats, like when you say a group of women brought their kids to a party, because it was a kids birthday party or something. But who the fuck has a party for the neighbourhoods cats!

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        • hauntedbysandwiches

          Bahahaha

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        • RoseIsabella

          I wasn't staying with family, but we were all living nearby, and it just became a thing for people to bring their dogs with them, but it was only about three dogs. Anyway, I decided to bring my cat, because I lived within walking distance, and I have a nice pet stroller to bring him in on the walk over. Everyone pretty much got along great except this one little dog who kept humping my sister's poodle, but he didn't mess with my cat, because the cat will kick his ass.

          Of course I think it's more common for dogs to be well traveled than say the average cat. I don't think that the average cat well trained, and socialized enough to be throwing parties with multiple cats. It's usually a few dogs, and maybe one exceptional cat.

          Here's a cool video for you to enjoy!

          https://youtu.be/DePFiF-nNoE

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  • litelander8

    That’s when you just rework the sentence. Or I believe if a word ends with an s and then you add the ownership apostrophe, you don’t need the extra s (Travis’) In the case of “yours”, I believe it can be added to the list of shit in the English language that just “Is what it is”. Lol.

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    • charli.m

      This.

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  • hauntedbysandwiches

    I lost it at they all bring their cats to party lmao

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  • bigbudchonga

    I get your logic on this, dude. It makes sense, but I think yours is self covered for the reasons Boojum mentions. There are odd ones where this comes up though like Zues's where you would be correct to double "s's".

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  • JellyBeanBandit

    "Which of these people prints are yours's?" I don't get that, is that a mistake? Shouldn't it be "Which of these cat prints are yours's?".

    If you did mean to say "cat prints", then I get what you mean. Like if they said "Which of these cat prints are yours?", then the reply should be "They're not mine, I'm a human, I don't leave cat prints".

    I'm afraid I can't explain exactly why it shouldn't be allowed, but it is an interesting question.

    I think the word "mine's" sounds a lot more correct than "yours's" even though that'd be breaking the exact same rule as "yours's" (eg. if instead of replying "they're my cat's" you replied "they're mine's"). So if people brush off "yours's" but are more forgiving towards "mine's" then that is a bit inconsistent.

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    • KholatKhult

      That was just a mistype, fixed it, thank ya

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      • JellyBeanBandit

        Ok cool, no problem :)

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  • rocketdave

    "yours's," try spell check!

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    • KholatKhult

      Spell check gets pissy at me, but I’d like to take the English Language to court on this one

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      • rocketdave

        I searched Concise Oxford, same result.

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        • KholatKhult

          Yeah I’m not asking /if/ it works I’m saying it /should/ work

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          • Bazinga

            Yes, the English language should be taken to court. The problem in the example you provided is that there are two levels of indirection. The paw print belongs to the cat, then the cat belongs to the woman. To disambiguate this two layered indirection, you can say "... to which woman's cat does this paw print belong" or "to which cat does this paw print belong". Possessive pronouns in English are convenient but are not high powered. By keeping English grammar simple, people around the world can learn English quickly, log into web sites, and talk about shit with other people talking about shit.

            Anyway, your comment is good shit. Grammatical rules in any language should be as close to logic as possible.

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