Intelligent people

I severely envy and even feel a little threatened by intelligent people. Human nature sucks, and I worry that when someone has a high mental power, they'll use it for unethical or lethal purposes (i.e. fraud, cybercrime, developing more nuclear weapons- because we don't have enough of them already).

In addition, when people have a ton of knowledge at their side, it only increases their level of arrogance.

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  • AbnormallyAwesome

    That makes sense. Most people are afraid of things they don't understand. But intelligence is a relative thing.
    If you think you have reason to be afraid of people smarter than you, does that mean people who are dummer should be afraid of you?
    Do you often treat those people with arrogance or use your higher intellect for unethical things? If not, why should it be any different with those more intelligent?
    In general people are just people. Some are jerks and some are nice, no matter how smart they are.
    Don't live in fear. If you wanna get smarter you can easely get more educated just a few mouse clicks away. What a time to be alive!

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    • Pseodonihm

      @AbnormallyAwesome Thank you. Well said.

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    • Kevinevan

      Love this response.👍👍

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      • AbnormallyAwesome

        Thank you :)

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    • Yennifer_Of_Vengerburg

      Yep that's along the same lines as I was going to, about hoe sociopaths look for weeker minds than they own.

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    • That is a great point, and I certainly can't argue with that. I guess my biggest issue is that intelligent people are often very opinionated, and so whenever I engage in a debate, they always win and have the last word- because they have the power to back up their claims.

      As far as my claim for people using intelligence for unethical goals, I guess it comes from a mixture of: my outlook on humanity, as well as the constant fraud, cybercrimes, and the like that occur in this millennium.

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      • AbnormallyAwesome

        I know, it's frustrating to lose a debate. Those really come down to who is the better debater and not who's right. But it's usually easy to see if someone's looking for a debate instead of an actual conversation. Meaning they just want to win instead of trying to understand your perspective. In those cases I'd suggest just not to engage.
        And yeah, humanity seems pretty depressing when you turn on the news, but just think of the filter they're using: Bad news is good news. While one genius hacked a bank or built a bomb a thousand others have saved lives and made an impact for the better. You just don't hear about them nearly as often.
        As a matter of fact most geniuses work at apple stores. The world's a strange place.

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      • Pseodonihm

        @OP
        People can be opinionated without having an high intelligence. For example you have an opinion about people who are more intelligent than you.

        And winning a debate doesn't require a high intelligence. It does require information. They don't necessarily have a power. They have knowledge, which is power, true. But if you want to defend a cause read up on the subject. Get your information from multiple sides. And most of all be passionate.

        And blaming people with high intelligence for unethical practices. I can understand why you would say that. How you could feel that. But singling out a minority for all the worlds problems is short sighted. And that is what you are doing. For example if you have received a single scam phone call, as I have received a few, each one had an Indian accent so if I was like you I could say "Oh, it's all Indians who are responsible for fraud." It's that kind of rash generalization that is wrong.

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        • I completely understand and agree with your point. But, just like in my response to AbnormallyAwesome, I feel that people are inherently bad, and whenever they have an advantage or power- in this case, intelligence- they aren't afraid to use it to their (negative) advantage. Besides the aforementioned fraud and hacking, a handful of geniuses seem to turn to the nuclear weapons industry. The world is a dangerous place as it is, so I'd feel better seeing people use their intelligence to make the world a more peaceful and humane place. That's my main concern.

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          • MissileExpert

            However, there is good news. Dumb detectives catch highly intelligent criminals all the time. For every crime there are 100 ways to get caught. If you can think of 20 of them, you are a genius. The dumb cops only have to think of one of the remaining 80 that the genius forgot.

            I have extensive software experience working in the weapons industry. Intelligent people know that avoiding war is an intelligent thing to do. When military power is balanced, mutual destruction is assured. This gives diplomacy a better chance to work.

            Dumb people that are conned into dying for 72 virgins are the problem.

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  • galen

    Also, intelligent people have an unfair advantage in society due to their "cognitive privilege."

    For instance, stupid people are unfairly discriminated against when applying for jobs such as physics professor.

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    • Pseodonihm

      @galen
      First off cognitive privilege was something published in an Iowa college newspaper. In the Daily Iowan in an article written by Dan Williams . This article has been removed from the Daily Iowan's site (http://daily-iowan.com/2017/07/25/williams-what-is-privilege-and-what-do-we-do-with-it/). They haven't said why.

      So in short the term "cognitive privilege" was coined by a college student writing and op-ed piece for a student paper. No data was presented. It was wholly opinion. An opinion that was then dropped from the site. Because it's wrong.

      As for advantages. People with high intelligence are discriminated against all the time. Have you ever been told your 'overqualified' for a position? Many people who are 'cognitive privileged' have.

      And as for as you say "stupid" people. What your saying is you would want some form of affirmative action making employers hire people without the capacity to perform the job. For example would you want someone who has a hard time reading a medical journal article performing as a surgeon in an ER...where every second counts.

      Wouldn't want any cognitive privilege there.

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      • Ellenna

        Good reply, I don't know why 2 people voted it down but I've cancelled one of them with an up vote

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  • EccentricWeird

    Well you're in luck, because the biggest danger to them is their own selves.

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    • The_Great_Flatuloso

      Those that are stuck in their own mental loop are lost to evolution.

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  • Tealights

    Someone on here once said "High intellect means very little without emotional intelligence," or something along those lines; which I agree.

    The men/women you're afraid of probably display psychopathic tendencies when it comes to their projects; because there are a lot of intelligent men/women who care about people and work hard on projects that truly help others and the environment.

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    • Pseodonihm

      @Tealights
      Yes exactly thank you.

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  • Grunewald

    Intelligence (in any of its various forms) can be an Achilles's heel. Overthinking is a huge drain on a person's energy - and simpler things can take longer because the thought process is longer: they do more thinking per action. Imagine a powerful but slow Microsoft computer, compared to an Android phone. If yoy want to make a high-resolution YouTube video, use the computerm If you want to get to your emails quickly an easily, then you don't bother waiting for your computer to load up, you just go straight to your Android phone. For every couple of thousand emails, you might only produce one YouTube video. And the technology is getting so good now that you can probably download something that'll dispense of your need for the computer to make the YouTube video. Life is like that too.

    Intelligent people are often not very efficient - and I have been criticised at work and passed over for jobs possibly because of it. People who think more tend to worry more - there's an old adage that intelligent people are rarely happy, and statistically they tend to be more prone to mental illness. Believe it or not, it is possible to mess up your own head. It's harder to do that if you don't live inside your head as much.

    Also, because they expect to understand everything in detail before they consider themselves to have properly 'understood'it, they can irritate people with their questions. They 'see' things in more detail, and get bogged down in the details, and coworkers accuse them of 'making everything needlessly complicated'. Then they might get passed over for projects.

    Also, at least where I am, there is a kind of stigma against 'intellectualism'. Maybe out of jealousy, maybe for political reasons. They are viewed as being 'elites' and 'privileged'. When in fact they might be poor, or mentally ill, or jobless, as I have been. Of course there is strength in nunbers, people unite over shared grievances and perceived threats, and intelligent people are both a minority and a 'perceived threat'. I've been excluded for being intelligent. I had a manager once who would make some implicit reference to the university I went to, and to the fact that hers was lower-achieving, most of the time I spoke to her. It embarrassed me. She was never happy for me when I succeeded, and said hurtful things to me, probably to 'compensate' for how bad my presence made her feel. There is a saying, 'Be smart, act stupid' and it exists for a reason!! If I were smarter, I would heed it...

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    • Pseodonihm

      @AspiringRuth
      Ohh my. Where to start. First you are confusing intelligence and knowledge. Or wisdom if you will. Intelligence is the speed at with you can process, retain and recall data. Knowledge it the data you have retained. Anyone can overthink something depending on the number of options and the implications of those choices. As you said people of high intelligence do more "thinking" in the same amount of time as a person with a lower intellect.

      And your analogy of a computer and an Android phone is wrong on so many levels I won't even start.

      Intelligence and efficiency are not related in anyway this is more a measure of focus. In most cases focus can be learned intelligence can't.

      Yes, there seems to be a correlation between high intellect and mental illness. Mostly this is depression and bipolar disorder. Also there is evidence people with higher intellects receive less of a benefit with social interactions.

      Yes, I agree there is a stigma against 'intellectualism'. And I have been called privileged several times. Which if you knew me you would laugh. But I don't give it much credence. If someone wants to hate you they will find a reason.

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      • Grunewald

        Hey I was into the whole 'correct thy neighbour' approach too but then I found that people stopped wanting to talk to me and it got old. I'm a dunce at STEM tbh, I wanted a superficial picture and I got one, and it did what I wanted it to, so I'm happy. Secondly... everyone else seems to be using 'intelligence' as a fuzzy term, so I will too. I charge 35 euro per hour for private English lessons. I won't correct their lexical errors for less.

        As for intelligence vs efficiency... working with intelligence under its 'fuzzy' definition... yes, they're not directly correlated. What I had meant was this: more reflection = more mental effort per action = slower task completion = less efficient worker.

        Well, we differ on anti-intellectualism I guess. I've been rejected from enough job interviews, seen enough jealousy, had people prejudge me as a 'snob' because of my university and had overt abuse directed at me... It's a reverse snobbery thing, in most cases I've seen.m

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        • Pseodonihm

          Just want to say as for anti-intellectualism we are on the same page. We both seem to understand the stigma attached to using your natural talents in the work force. My brother got me a job once. When I out preformed him, he quit right their on the spot. I was turned down from Mc Donalds for being overqualified.

          What I was trying to say I just gave gave up caring. Almost every person I have ever met in the working world is either lasy or a back stabber, sometimes both. Very few people have a work ethic anymore. No, I'm not an overachiever I just think if you are at work you work, to the best of your ability. When you start something you finish it. ect. Most people don't get that.

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    • Yennifer_Of_Vengerburg

      And ja posted twice... Domestication is a thing we are property of the elites, hate to get all morbid and bring ya ass down but that's why suicide is illegal and they prefer us dumb.

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      • Grunewald

        I understand them preferring to keep us dumb. But why would they prefer to keep us from killing ourselves? What would they gain from that? World overpopulation is a thing. There are more people than resources. Does everyone make do with less (ha ha, in an economy that relies on overconsumption to stay afloat? Not likely!!) or do we gently seek to expedite their departure a little more quickly? 'Whoops, there goes another one of our cherished employees. Ah dangit. Well, look on the bright side. At least we don't have to pay their long-term sick leave or tolerate their snivelling inefficiency any more... Let's get a bright shiny new one!' The world makes me sick. 'Yes, dearie, what was that? You're worried about your grandkids' inheritance? Well boy, do I have the solution for you. Just write 'do not resuscitate', and sign here.' I was visiting a wise, venerable old man from church in respite care and remarked in horror at a document in his portfolio with 'DNR' on it, he said it had something to do with the fact that he had said he didn't want a kidney transplant. I had known him as a stoic, he was a former naval officer and had the tattoo to match, but now he wept in front of me from his nursing home bed, his face yellow, tubes in his nose to help him breathe, 'I'm no use to anyone now. All I do is take. I might as well not be here.'. It was heartbreaking; this former pillar of the community. 'Don't want to pay for your kid? Well your family, community and the state don't want to either. Hello abortion.'. To this day I wonder what my little sister might have been like - I've decided it would have been a girl. It haunts me like an unresolved horror story.

        It's as if people were as disposable as everything else. You actively have to believe that here's a kind of abstract value that individual human beings have in themselves, to avoid equating their life's worth with their economic viability. I'm not sure if many of the elites make the distinction between the two clear in practice, even if they do in theory. If these elites who are profiting from our disposability are the 'movers and shakers' of our culture, it's interesting to see that people are being encouraged to view abortion and euthanasia as means of 'empowerment' and that even suicide is undergoing a PR makeover...

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  • e51pegasi

    Knowledge is power.

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    • norochan

      Power corrupts.

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    • BlackCatsAreAwesome

      Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein

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    • Pseodonihm

      @e51pegasi
      Yes it is. But knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing.

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  • Pseodonihm

    Here is some cognitive privilege

    A neutron walks into a bar and asks the bartender "I'd like a drink. How much?"

    The bartender says "For you, no charge."

    hehehehehehe

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  • WonderGuy0103

    You don't have to be the most educated, just be open minded and willing to listen.
    Source: Professor

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  • Yennifer_Of_Vengerburg

    Well intelegento, chill out fact says people usually stop reading after the first paragraph and begin to skim. Tone it down

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    • Grunewald

      Everyone responds like that. I'm criticised for sending overly long and wordy work emails. The thing is, I just write how I think. Writing off the top of your busy, chaotic head is easy. You just end up with busy, chaotic writing. What's hard is being selective and organised.

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      • Yennifer_Of_Vengerburg

        TRUE true

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  • Yennifer_Of_Vengerburg

    Just believe your the shit, problem maybe that you are a sociopath and are looking for weeker minds to manipulate, not trying to be a dick... But often this is how sociopathic people conduct themselves.

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    • Grunewald

      Well if I am a sociopath, then you're possibly the worst-placed to know ;-). I used to believe I was the shit, then got shown otherwise. I just am what I am now.

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  • Ratmanfan

    I know everything.

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