Is it normal I hope Islam will die out?

I by no means think all Muslims are terrorist nor do I support violence against them but I do hope more and more will de convert. Hopefully enough will do so that the religion will be all but extinct. I don't know how likely this is, but it's certainly better than the alternative, I'm especially scared for Britain right now.

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  • Religion in general does more harm than good.

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  • Maybe if they just stopped inbreeding, they wouldn't be so fucking crazy.

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  • im not a fan

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  • The Islamification of Europe is now unstoppable. For decades, secularism has ruled the continent and created a religious vacuum. Islam is filling it. Fanaticism is an enduring problem for Muslims. They will have to become more moderate and teach tolerance for democratic governments to continue to work.

    Muslims will never establish much of a foothold in the US. That's because dumb ass Christian fundamentalists have already filled the religious vacuum. Religion may have been a catalyst to create civilization, but it is the bane of enlightened reason, science, and freedom of expression.

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    • I don't think secularism leads to a religious vacuum. What's needed is a stronger defense of secularism by people who should be defending it the hardest (the left, politically).

      This can still be turned around, but it's going to take honesty about Islam's political component, not more attempts at denying Islam has problems. It is being done, by a growing ex-Muslim movement and secular/liberal Muslims, but they are not being given the platforms and support they need by The Left. If you can promote their narratives more, you can popularise a secularist reform movement among people of Muslim background.

      And that is a far better and more peaceful resolution to the issue than voting in some far-Right demagogue, who is just going to turn our once-liberal countries into fascist shitholes long before "Islamification" can happen.

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      • Your argument is very encouraging. But, I am not sure the growing ex-Muslim secular movement has the momentum it needs to pacify the radicals. In a sense, these Islamic radicals are suffering from an identity crisis. The ones that think emotionally and are prone to drama kind of snap.

        After a generation of assimilation, Europe will be in better shape. But your idea is none-the-less impressive. If some kind of social engineering can accelerate the propagation of the mind set you are suggesting, we will all be in better shape.

        Work on the details for this. I'm expecting good things from you.

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        • Well, my answer to that is to just remember how Christianity used to be - basically the same. We went through (unfortunately) centuries of barbaric violence, blasphemy laws, and what could be described as "terror" before we got to where we are today.

          I almost view it as it being Islam's "turn" now. Like Christianity, it has to go through a de-politicisation and separation from the state in countries where it has state power, before this tribal violence is going to stop. It needs to become merely a personal belief, and one which most followers cherry pick rather than take literally.

          It's not really my ideas so there's nothing to "expect" from me. This is something everyone can help though, it's as small as promoting the message of ex-Muslims and reformist practicing ones like Maajid Nawaz more (look for talk of "secularism" and "reform", that's the language these people tend to use). This isn't going to happen overnight, but I genuinely believe it can change. People just have to stop with this learned helplessness attitude to it.

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          • I hear you, but civilization needs a catalyst. Great things have been done by cherry picking concepts from advertising and running test strategies with sample groups.

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    • Christians aren't stupid idiots unless you're talking about the republican conservatives in this country with our Idiotic President Trump.

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      • Trump is exactly the opposite of being an idiot. He was the only logical choice in the last election against a massive socialist in Clinton, who would have completed the disaster that Obama was. Clinton would have blown the doors open on immigration, which would have led to terrorists gaining access to America, with only one goal in mind. Destroying the country.

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        • You see this is where your conservative values are very much brainwashed. Obama was one of the greatest Presidents that we have ever had in a long time since Kennedy. Obama got us out of the 2nd Great Depression or Financial Crisis left by the Republican Bush Administration who carelessly invaded Iraq and the Middle East to get Oil and sell it for the US.

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        • The Clintons are very morally corrupt people.

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          • Most liberal people are. They continuously espouse these ideas that have no basis in reality whatsoever. It's just lies meant to placate the masses. Now that the masses are waking up to seeing this, these ideas are falling apart.

            A truly liberal person would have almost no accumulated wealth whatsoever. The accumulation of wealth is based on a conservative, capitalist philosophy. I.e. the guy who started/owns the business. The only way it continues to work long term is the rich guy still lives on the same block as you, "he" (or she) just has the biggest house. Being a "liberal" person is just a giant lie.

            As of now the ultra wealthy are starting to isolate themselves more and more from the "have nots". If they don't start to realize that in doing so they're sealing their own fate, we're all doomed. Keeping the masses down isn't going to happen by continuously lying to them.

            It's only a matter of time before it all comes crumbling down. And as of now, it's cracking.

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            • Hello there, nikkiclaire. Why are you always talking to yourself on here? It is very obvious.

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  • After what Muslim terrorists did in 911 I wouldn't care less if their entire country was nuked off the face of the map. Fuck Muslims.

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  • Kick all the mooooooooozlims OUT of Europe by force - mass deportations to their countries of origin. Destroy all mosques and break up the prayer gatherings by arresting those assembled for prayer. All terrorists should be publicly executed - drench them in pig's blood first, then kill them by burning them alive with flamethrowers. Encourage hatred of moooooozlims in Western countries. Produce gay muslim porn. Promote stereotypes of muslims as goat fuckers, perverts, rapists and child molesters. Always depict allah and mohammed as pigs.

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    • Please do not say so much ill about something that you do not have complete knowlegde of. I will not respond to you harshly as your comment because Islam teaches peace.

      ps its not moooooooooozlims but muslims

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    • Mazeltov!

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    • i would say.. you're German arent you ?

      "by force" ok.. go on

      "Destroy all mosques and break up the prayer gatherings by arresting those assembled for prayer. All terrorists.." ok? so praying is terrorism ?

      "drench them in pig's blood first, then kill them by burning them alive with flamethrowers" .. umm isn't this considered Violence ? Mr. Good Peacful Person?

      "Encourage hatred of moooooozlims in Western countries" Hatred? i thought u were the best, aint giving no reason?

      "Produce gay muslim porn" YOU , my friend , IS QUIET disgusting..

      "Promote stereotypes of muslims as goat fuckers, perverts, rapists and child molesters." you just called them stereo-types, don't poke your eyes when u can see darling :)

      "Always depict allah and mohammed as pigs" Ok .. Go on ..

      Is that all?

      OK..

      Stereo-types? is this what you're asking for? well then

      - People like u always watch porn
      - people like u are always drunk
      - people like u have over-grown beards
      - people like u have stinky breathe from smoking
      - people like u abandon they're children
      - people like u were abandoned by they're parents
      - people like u live in the streets
      - people like u would die for money
      - people like u only know the word "fuck"
      - people like u are Uneducated
      - people like u are obese
      - people like u are racist
      - people like u are gun-loving
      - people like u do drugs
      - people like u will likely die from cancer.

      So, i know those are not true, and i know that not everyone is the same.. but im presenting YOUR idea to YOURself ,hymiehymowitz




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    • This is why everyone hates the Jews. As the chosen people, they feel entitled to make Gentiles all hate each other. Keep doing this and a second round of extermination awaits.

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  • I agree with you. Even as a proud democrat, I agree that Islam is a dangerous religion. It encourages violence, promotes the mistreatment of women, and supports oppression. Honestly, I wholeheartedly agree that it would be better if they all just gave up their faith.

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  • Terrorism is no more common today than it was in the 70s and 80s when the IRA were doing their attacks. Understand that.

    What has changed is the response and the media, which (as horrendous as terror attacks are) sensationalise these events and make them seem so much more immediate and bigger. When an attack happens now in The West, every international news station jumps on it and every random halfwit starts ranting about it on social media. The result is, we act like society just collapsed over a few people getting murdered (which happens every single day, just usually not in one event like that).

    Of course, terrorism is horrible, I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned. We definitely should be having honest conversations about Islam's political component, because yes, terror IS linked to that. Until Islam secularises and gets it's politcal power stripped away, this is going to keep happening. It doesn't come from nowhere. What I'm saying is though, we need to have some scope and perspective, and not jump to knee-jerk emotional reactions every time this happens (which is typically either denying there's anything wrong with Islam or, opposite extreme, acting like every single Muslim has an agenda. Neither help.).

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  • they terrorists.

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  • There are specific parts in the Quran stating that those who do not love Allah shall be stricken at their necks. Why do you think they love beheading Christians? Their religion is pure evil.

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    • please dont only pick parts of the Quran that show punishment but rather that Islam in genera is a peace teaching religion

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  • Three words to solve the problem:
    Tactical Nuclear Weapons

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  • Normal and all the other religions too as far as I'm concerned

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  • No.

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  • you are all racist. there's nothing wrong with Muslims would you like it if we said we wished you died out because technically we can be terrorist to we bomb people that don't even harm us because we stick out nose into everyone else's business. The real terrorist is you

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    • Read my question again. I said I know that not all Muslims are terrorist, and I don't support violence against them. By "die out" I meant enough deconversion that it'll be an old religion, like the myths of the past. Plus Muslim/Islam is not a race, I don't know where that nonsense started but it's false.

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  • Christianity used to be extremely violent and insidious, but was dragged kicking and screaming into modernity and had to reform itself.

    Islam can be reformed, too. Get rid of the doctrines that enable the ideology of ISIS, like martyrdom in defense of Islam giving you a ticket into heaven no matter how much evil you have done.

    It would still suck and retard human progress (like all dogmatic, revealed, faith-based religions) but would be much less terrible.

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  • Religion is poison, however I wish more atheists would be right wing, just without the Jesus crap.

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