I think men should subjugate themselves to women

Look what's happened since the patriarchy has been around. Haven't men oppressed women for long enough? And men always seem to oppress women, unless men subjugate themselves to women then I don't see how there can be a fair society. We need to stand up against the patriarchy, toxic masculinity, and internalized misogyny. When is enough enough? The only way to get equality is for this to happen.

Edit: People don't seem to get what I mean. Men need to subjugate themselves so we can have a truly equal society. It wouldn't be so women can have power, that's just a by product of it. Women would tear down the injustices men have created.

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  • charli.m

    Ugh. Shut up.

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    • WarriorGene

      Lol

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  • Ellenna

    If you're trying to pretend you're a feminist you're doing a very bad job of it. I've been active in women's issues since the 70's and I don't want anyone to subjugate him/herself to anyone.

    I can think of one very nasty example where women were in charge of others: the nazi concentration camps. I can be a feminist and still be realistic enough to know that not all women are fair and just to others and that many men are.

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    • It's interesting that you bring up the Nazis. It was men who were in the upper government for that. What about if the only way to get true equality is to have women leading? You're not a real feminist if you don't realize that men have oppressed women forever, and that there is only one way to stop it.

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      • Ellenna

        And you think you have the right to deny my feminism? Of course I accept that men have oppressed women throughout history, but if that oppression was wrong so would the opposite oppression be. I'm a 70's Women's Liberationist/Anarcha Feminist and I'm opposed to anyone having power over anyone else.

        I'm quite aware of nazi history and its hierarchy: just in case you didn't get it, I was pointing out that giving ANYONE power over other people isn't a positive thing.

        Now you're using the expression "leading": earlier you were talking about subjugation. I wish you'd just shut up and stop giving feminism a bad name with your illogical ramblings.

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        • kelili

          Ellena, the more I read your comments the more I'm in love.

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          • Ellenna

            Oooh, that's nice to know!

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  • megadriver

    How about not using the internet when you are on your period...

    That bad enough for 'ya sweetheart?! Obvious troll is extra obvious. Also feminazis can jingle my white balls!

    Feminism did it's job in the past. Now it's a thing retards use to justify their ineptness in life! There are many successful women that inspire, are intelligent and are great and all that goodness. Scientists, writers, musicians, physicists, etc... And then there are the bottom feeders... The feminazis. The ugly, unshaven, stupid and pathetic excuses for women that need the "girl handicap" to make it in life... I say let natural selection do it's thing and finally rid men and women from this plague.

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    • kelili

      That's stereotyping. Feminists are not all unshaven and most often are not stupid. Yes some keep their body hair, which is their business. Feminism is not something of the past. Society is still patriarchal. That's a fact/

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      • megadriver

        Where exactly are women shamed for being women? Where are women held back from becoming doctors, lawyers, ceos etc... Nowhere! That's where!
        The developed world does not need more feminism.

        How you do in life is all down to you. What you accomplish is all down to you. Nobody should give you special treatment for being lazy, or playing the victim. You are not a victim! Feminists give women a bad name.

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      • IceRed

        In the western world? Not really

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  • Meowypowers

    Let's just empower all sexes

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    • But what if the only way to empower all sexes is for women to be in charge?

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      • Ellenna

        If any group is in charge all other groups can't be empowered.

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        • Kind of like how men are in charge now?

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          • IceRed

            In the western world men and women basically have equal opportunities now

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            • Ellenna

              Not true or women wouldn't still be earning far less than men for the same work, just to give one example.

              Things are certainly better than they used to be for women (I'm old so I know what I'm talking about) but opportunities are definitely not yet equal.

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      • ELCNU

        If women are in charge, that would empower women.

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        • Ellenna

          Yeah, right, at the expense of the other half of the human race!

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          • ELCNU

            I understand your point. We should all strive for equality. However, making men less than women will never really be equality ever. It doesn't matter that men were superior in the past. If we can be equal now, (not men subjugating themselves) that is what we should want and need.

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            • Ellenna

              Exactly!

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        • YES! Thank you!

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  • ELCNU

    Subjugate
    Hold up....
    SUB.
    SUB=EQUALITY
    MAKE SENSE

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  • kelili

    I agree with Ellena on some points. Feminism is not about taking power over men. It's about equality for all regardless of gender. However feminism has been portrayed so negatively that people associate feminisms with a bunch of angry women who hate men. I consider myself to be a feminist and I shave, I'm married and I love being a mother. I would be happy to be able to work part-time and to take care of my child and my house on off days.

    I do not think that you are a feminist but a troll posting this to get strong reaction. But if you consider yourself feminist please read again about feminism and educate yourself better.

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    • Ellenna

      And of course the patriarchal capitalist media was never going to portray feminism accurately! In any case, there never has been one FEMINISM but many feminisms with different priorities and tactics.

      I agree with you that OP isn't any type of feminist, only a troll and probably male.

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  • nikkiclaire

    Ok subjugate yourself to me!!!

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  • RoseIsabella

    Nope.

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  • CountessDouche

    No.

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  • IceRed

    Nice troll

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  • Iamagirl

    Please stop making feminists look bad. You are perpetuating the stereotype that feminists hate men and want to have more power than men. And all of these white young males treat us like a joke.

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    • Ugh, why are you bothering to care what white males think? And you call yourself a feminist. The only way to get true equality is to strip the privileges those men have so they can never create again create system like we have now!

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      • Iamagirl

        White males control everything so I need to care about white males. And there are some white males that are very progressive and working towards amazing things. Yes, white cisgender men have privilege. But the first step is through them acknowledging it.

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  • Zetta_2000

    The left in a nutshell...

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  • bigbudchonga

    I wonder why feminism has a bad name...

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    • Ellenna

      Because those with privilege don't want to give it up and representations of feminism have always come from male controlled media

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      • bigbudchonga

        Occam's razor. It' because in the present day it's an awful movement set on fighting the boogeyman.

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        • Ellenna

          As I've stated in an earlier post, there's never ever been one feminism, so which one are you talking about? How is the movement awful now and where do you get your information about it from? If it's from the mass media I pity you for being so easily hoodwinked

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          • bigbudchonga

            I pity you for buying into the myth that you're still oppressed in the West.

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            • Ellenna

              And I despise you for attempting to invalidate my own experience and knowledge

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  • The desire to oppress is in human nature.

    In the Western world, we've already taken precautions for this. Our branches of government help balance each other and keep one another in check.

    Adult are all given the vote and the same basic freedoms.

    If we started telling men that they should subjugate themselves to women, that in turn would cause women to act entitled to that submission.

    The consequences for men would be similar to the oppression of women.

    You're acting as if women are all perfectly empathatic, which is an idealstic fantasy.

    Power tends to corrupt, bringing out human greed, pride, and cruelty- our worst. Men have had more power, so we've seen much worse from them.

    If women traditionally had more power, I believe we'd have seen the same from them.

    The focus should really be on empowering the most capable, honest, and upstanding people.

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    • Ellenna

      I do not believe the desire to oppress is part of human nature. It's behavior learned in the family environment, where almost invariably adults oppress children in some way and this is reinforced by religion and the education and political systems.

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      • I think that most of the places where oppression is reinforced were created by our natural desire and need for structure and order.

        Adults can oppress, because naturally children are dependent on them for care and guidance.

        I've begun to think that you're a prisoner of your provider.

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        • Ellenna

          If there were a natural desire for structure and order it wouldn't have to be taught to children, would it?

          Of course adults can oppress children, but they can choose not to and I made that choice a long time ago before I became a mother.

          I have no idea what your last sentence means: would you care to explain? I'm not a prisoner of anything or anyone and I don't have a provider, whatever that is!

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          • I think we first desired structure and order to protect ourselves. If people are allowed to do whatever they want, many will do so at others' expense.

            Theft and murder would often be beneficial to an individual and his/her family.

            But crime is detrimental to groups of humans. It perpetuates endless cycles of revenge, hatred, and killing- chaos. Humans could have been wiped out had we not naturally gravitated towards enforcing laws to curb the natural greed of individuals.

            The moral compass that we take for granted was, in part, passed down after we learned from our mistakes. Generally, good is seen as what helps. Evil is what hurts.

            The laws could be decided by the group, but if it were only up to equal individuals to enforce the law, we'd end up in the same criminal cycle.

            To have a stable coexistence, people decided to put their individual power behind good leaders who ideally would represent them, and enforce a solid system of laws to punish crime and protect the innocent.

            Oppression results from anyone in authority taking advantage of naturally arising systems, like families and governments, by using the dependence of the people under them to unjustly take extra privileges.

            Oppression and corruption are closely related. If greed, or let's say, using selfish means to acquire more power, safety, and resources for oneself or one's children, is natural, then so is oppression.

            "You're a prisoner of your provider", is quite literal.

            For example, if the employer who provides someone with a job tells them to do something, they do it, because at a core level, they need employment to survive in society.

            If they don't like that, they can run off, and live in the wild without depending on anything from society.

            I myself was trapped by a parent. So long as I did not have a means of provision aside from him, I was his prisoner, accountable to him and at his whims. Money- the ability to provide for myself, would have freed me from oppression.

            P.S: Sorry about the lengthiness.

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            • Ellenna

              Lengthiness is fine when it's as well expressed as your post, whether or not I agree with you.

              I see what you mean about being trapped by the provider: I guess I'm "trapped" by the government welfare system which provides most of my income, in that if I cheat the system (which I don't) or don't notify them of my casual work earnings, I'd lose my pension, but none of that is difficult to comply with.

              Yep, I do so what you mean! Right now I'm trapped in a rental home which isn't safe, with a landlord who's ignoring requests to do essential repairs after a small house fire. If I told him what I think of him and his silly religion (he's a mormon as well as a moron) he'd almost certainly not renew my lease and with the housing situation here I'd be homeless.

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        • bigbudchonga

          I agree crastecrush oppression, it's too common a theme for it not to be natural.

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          • Ellenna

            Crastecrush?????

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  • WarriorGene

    All successful civilizations have been built by patriachy. Men build and lead the world.

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    • Ellenna

      Not to mention very many unsuccessful ones

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      • WarriorGene

        Good observation. Now you need to prove that women would have done a better job in order to invalidate my statement. I would accept only one current female leader, Kolinda, or any potential female that is like her.

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        • Ellenna

          The NZ Prime Minister seems to be doing a very good job, but then there's the memory of Margaret Thatcher to take into account

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          • WarriorGene

            Good. Now that we take these very few isolated cases than people can barely remember and compare them with the vast majority of men assuming leading positions we can conclude that women are generally incapable of leadership, hence patriarchy is the only realistic option humanity has. This option is also highly successful when specific criteria are met. The white skin is definitely at least strongly positively associated to this, leading us to understand that white males are the best leaders of the world. The reality proves it by having the majority of leaders of developed countries as being white males. This last one is a fact, not an opinion, and it remains unchanged by the protests and the influence of various groups.

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            • Ellenna

              Umm, the New Zealand example is current right now! So you're quite happy for male dominated societies to take the credit for wars, just to give one example?

              As for white skinned people being superior leaders, now you've revealed your true colours (unintended pun but I'll let it stand. They are certainly "superior" at invading other countries, often wiping out peaceful more civilised peoples in the process, in committing genocide and I repeat, in waging war.

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  • aidonger

    This is odd.

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