Are bees really going extinct

Just like fireflies are pretty much extinct

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  • Boojum

    I've been a beekeeper for more than ten years now.

    Our honeybees are doing fine, but we live in a rural corner of Britain where the climate is one that suits bees, the farmers don't use many pesticides, and there are lots of natural hedgerows to provide nectar and pollen.

    But the success of our bees is just anecdotal, and it proves nothing.

    What I find very disturbing is the global decline in all insect species. Researchers have found that the global mass of all insects is falling by around 2.5% every year, the population of roughly half of all species is declining, and a third are endangered. Some insects are pests and some are very annoying, but they form a crucial part of every ecosystem, and their decline doesn't bode well.

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    • RoseIsabella

      I do wish those big tree roaches from the Deep South would go extinct. I miss Houston, Texas, but I certainly don't miss the Texas sized roaches.

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    • RoseIsabella

      I live in Delaware, and recently ordered some raw unrefined honey from a local beekeeper in nearby Pennsylvania, because it's supposed to be good for allergies. I love honeybees! YaY bees!

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      • Boojum

        As a beekeeper, I know it's in my self-interest to promote the idea that honey helps with allergies, and since I've had terrible hay fever since I was a kid, I'd like to believe it's true. Unfortunately, I just don't buy it.

        It is true that you can be desensitised to allergens by introducing tiny and gradually increasing amounts of the substance to the body, so the immune system is essentially trained not to over-react. However, there really isn't much pollen at all in honey, and it's wind-borne pollen that triggers hay fever for most people. When bees are collecting pollen to use as a source of protein for their larvae, they rarely collect it from trees and grasses because there are easier sources to work.

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        • RoseIsabella

          You make some very good points as per your usual, but something inside of me disagrees.

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          • Boojum

            Meant to say (and I bet you thought my response was abnormally concise) that I totally agree about buying direct from beekeepers if you possibly can. Not so much from the allergy point of view, but because that way there's a much better chance that what you're getting is actually honey: concentrated nectar from flowers.

            It's very difficult to distinguish honey from natural sources and "honey" that the bees make from processing sugar syrup. That's particularly so if set out to deceive and mix the two together, so there is a little bit of the typical honey smell, and lab analysis finds some of the trace minerals and pollen grains that real honey contains.

            I can't recall the figures off the top of my head, but I read a while back that the amount of honey produced in China and exported from there over the last decade or so has shot up, while the number of known hives in the country has remained basically static. You've gotta wonder what's really going on, and where all the stuff ends up. As a beekeeper, I can tell you that it's very unlikely that Chinese beekeepers have found a way of making their bees work twice or three times as hard when they collect nectar from flowers, but I also know that if you feed sugar syrup to a strong hive in the summer, they can easily convert sugar syrup into twenty kilos of "honey" in a week.

            Also, commercial honey sellers aim for a product that's blandly uniform, so they will blend honey from a number of sources. Individual beekeepers sell honey that's been made from whatever local plants happened to do well over the previous spring and summer in the area within a couple of miles of their hives, so there will be subtle differences in taste and aroma.

            And, as ever, the little guy is at the mercy of big commercial forces, so what beekeepers get from bulk sales is a lot less than what they can reasonably charge if they sell it direct to the consumer.

            Finally, buying supermarket honey isn't great from humane point of view. PETA (as usual) talks a load of crap about honey and beekeepers, and some vegans have screwy, ill-informed ideas about the topic, but but it is true that some of the really big beekeeping businesses treat their bees very badly. Hobby beekeepers and smaller concerns generally exercise greater care.

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            • McBean

              Very informative. It's a nice day here for a drive in the country. Perhaps I'll go looking for a roadside honey vendor.

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  • shuggy-chan

    We are losing alot of pollinators.

    Bees, butterflies and moths thats to mass spraying of pesticides among other reasons

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    • RoseIsabella

      This is true, and it's a very sad thing.

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  • Meowypowers

    Idk, one stung my ring toe on the beach yesterday. Bees need to get their shit together and quit crying. Pollenate or stfu

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    • palehorse

      This comment made me laugh, thanks.

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  • Ellenna

    Certainly in Europe and the parts of the Americas, from what I've heard. OK so far in Australia, but what will happen if they do extinct and plants aren't pollinated any more?

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    • LloydAsher

      In China this happened to pears. They have to get on ladders and manually pollinate them.

      We are not all going to starve to death without bees. Corn uses the wind to pollinate so does wheat, rice and oats.

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      • Boojum

        You're correct that humanity's largest sources of protein and carbs are wind pollinated, so the media panic over declining number of bees is a little hyped. However, about a third of our current global food production is the result of insect pollination, and the majority of wild flowering plants which form the basis of most ecosystems are also insect-pollinated.

        My recollection is that the grotesque situation you mention in China is due to indiscriminate use of pesticides. I can't recall reading what other, wider effects that had on the environment in those places, but I'm sure it wasn't good.

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        • LloydAsher

          Fingers crossed that China collapses from this environmental disaster. That or they buy more produce from the United states or allies.

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  • FromTheSouthWeirdGuy

    Idk but its illegal to kill honey bees where I live so perhaps

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  • litelander8

    I've got fireflies.... I didn't hear anything about them dying out.

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  • dimwitted

    They smell amazing.

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    • Boojum

      The aroma of an open hive in the summer is indeed wonderful, but sniffing individual bees is ill-advised.

      I'm pretty much immune to bee-sting venom now after having been stung numerous times, but stings still smart, and I wouldn't like to have one of our little darlings nail me up my nostril.

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  • chuy

    Yes

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  • LloydAsher

    People do realize that honey bees are invasive to America and are wiping out native bees.

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