I'm on the fence where nonbinaries stand. I feel like they have the right to identify that way, they even have the right to call it some silly nuanced gender if they wish... I just think it's silly for them to expect everyone to take it seriously, if they're going to fabricate some super-nuanced gender with a million different terms. At the end of they day, people who see you in public do see your physical sex, and it's not a social construct to me.
I don't like it when they claim "trans" personally. That's something else entirely, that's having gender dysphoria and going through hormone treatment and surgery to change to the opposite sex. I think to trivialise that and make being "trans" (or gay) about clothing is a bit offensive.
As far as I'll go is he, she, or they, because I understand feeling in between. But all these made up things are just insulting. And yes, people who claim to be trans without dysphoria are just following the "trend".
"Made up things" lol. It'funny to watch you speaking with so much certainty about what you don't know. In the end of the day, you only accept that which is not accepted when you have felt the same way yourself.
Have you seen Blaire White's videos on this topic? She is a transgender YouTuber and your viewpoints in your comment seem similar to hers. Another good trans YouTuber is Matthew C.
Thankfully they don't care about your view. You have the right to link words together and believe you are thinking... It's just silly of you to expect anyone else to take you seriously. At the end of the day, people who see you in public do see your stupidity, and it's not subjective. Is their identity too nuanced for you? Oh, poor you! How mean of gender binary people for being who they are and messing with your head. Don't worry, though, you can come back to school until you are not confused anymore.
I'm just sorry you fall for the bullshit of someone calling themselves a whole list of stupid things really. Someone comes up to you saying they're a "demiqueer pansexual agender", you're supposed to take that seriously?
If you can't see why this trivialisation of being LGBT is offensive to actual LGBT people, then I'm not the ignorant one here.
If someone who wanted to re-criminalise being openly LGBT came into power tomorrow, that would be my fucked up reality I'd have to live with. I'm gay rain or shine, whatever the political climate. Meanwhile Miss Thing with the blue mohawk and black lipstick can simply change her hair and get a makeup wipe, and live the rest of her life as a normal woman. That is why these people don't speak on my behalf, and while they're free to do what they want, they are not LGBT.
You are ignorant, unconscious of your privileges and, really, a total jerk. If they can live in the closet, so do you. Besides, homosexual people cause more aversion and reaction from the right than gender binary people do. Transgender people cause even more reaction, but they are also the ones that suffer the most violence, that have the identity that is the hardest to hide and suffer the most from hiding it. Your identity is merely sexual orientation, which is not even an inherent part of the self in standard social life. You can live single without negating anything, while gender is only repressed by negating the most basic elements of social identity. Besides, you have the right to call yourself true LGBT, but the fight for rights has always been led by the left, and the actual authority has already passed from your hands, so you are the one that sounds silly believing yourself to be "true" LGBT. You are someone that is affected by LGBT agenda and an unimportant member of the LGBT community, but you are not even close to relevance in actual civil rights activism.
They are offensive to you because you are a bad person who wants all the privilege you have to yourself, plain and simple. You just hapen to be too much of a coward as well to actually admit it.
Right so I have to live single to negate any kind of prejudice in society? That's the fucking problem right there. So much for my fucking "privilege" right?
And this pisses me off too. The nerve of these basically straight people, with a bit of gender nonconformity who just want to be edgy. They come into gay and transgender peoples' spaces and accuse US of being the "privileged" ones, when we tell them no, you're trivialising our life experiences down to clothing and that's not ok.
Fuck off with that shit. If your biggest issue in life is that someone tells you "you're attention seeking" when you clearly make up stupidly nuanced terms for your gender identity to be edgy, you're the fucking privileged one. Like I said, you can walk into a room full of people who are hostile to LGBT people, and just drop that shit and pass.
I can't do that (and yes being gay does come into standard social life, because drains your mental health to hide it) neither can a genuine trans person who has gender dysphoria is physically transitioning (or at least has a wish to). This isn't a game of identity politics to us, it's a fucked up reality that follows us through life that ONLY we experience and you don't. Wondering if coming out means being attacked physically, if we'll get fired, how people are going to judge us. So to then see these people revel in their "identities!" like it's a fun fucking game, it's not.
So don't fucking tell me who is "privileged" and that I'm a bad person, for disliking this hijacking of our narratives and movement with attention-seeking, anti-science bollocks.
That IS a privilege, you complete idiot. You see, the people you are trying to corner back into the closet don't have such a convenient choice in order to be accepted. Clothing is not even a fundamental part of being gender binary or transgender, it's just a simple expression that, obviously, even though relatively not all that important, is more significant than deciding not to be single. And what is all this nonsense about gender binary people not suffering violence? They are killed everyday, you imbecile. Or what? Do you think the violent gang at the gym is going to let a male-born binary person pass by openly? Of course not. It's actually easier for you to remain in the closet than it is for him, and I'm not even starting to talk about the people that are even more discriminated against than them.
Ohh, so it drains your mental health to hide it? Poor you! I guess it must not drain their health at all, after all, you said so! You only believe in what is convenient for you. Their health is drained just as much if not more. And who said most gender binary people are straight according to your eyes? Many of them are not, and some of them suffer more from being binary than from being homosexual. Additionaly, the health of trans people is drained MORE, you jerk. It's not possible to equate the general social background of trans people to that of homosexuals. And no, being gay does not come into standard social life at the earliest level, that's why it's so easy to hide it if you are single. Does not mean it is easy to be gay, having privilege in one are does not hinder someone from not being priviliged in others. Besides, you are in no place to actually claim the sympathy of the trans community, since you only accept those that have transitioned through hormone therapy (who suffer much more discrimination than homosexual people), while not accepting other trans people. Some of which, while we are at that, have their health drained much more than yours could ever be. You don't experience the same thing transgender people experience, and incidentally, why do you talk like I'M gender binary? Why do you suppose I'm not gay? Or transgender? What a moron. And anti-science? LMFAO You are a nobody who does not decide the views of science. I'm a medical scientist who offers care for transgender people and who work with psychologists, also scientists whose area of expertise is related. It's my place to call you off.
In any case, the fact stands; you are just a bad person who is too much of a coward to admit it. I will be coming back as many times as I want to, and there is nothing you can do about it.
Calling everyone a jerk is not helping your case. And, you're being irrelevant. How does the suffering of trans people make the suffering of gay people any less? People like you disgust me. We should be here for each other.
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I'm on the fence where nonbinaries stand. I feel like they have the right to identify that way, they even have the right to call it some silly nuanced gender if they wish... I just think it's silly for them to expect everyone to take it seriously, if they're going to fabricate some super-nuanced gender with a million different terms. At the end of they day, people who see you in public do see your physical sex, and it's not a social construct to me.
I don't like it when they claim "trans" personally. That's something else entirely, that's having gender dysphoria and going through hormone treatment and surgery to change to the opposite sex. I think to trivialise that and make being "trans" (or gay) about clothing is a bit offensive.
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As far as I'll go is he, she, or they, because I understand feeling in between. But all these made up things are just insulting. And yes, people who claim to be trans without dysphoria are just following the "trend".
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"Made up things" lol. It'funny to watch you speaking with so much certainty about what you don't know. In the end of the day, you only accept that which is not accepted when you have felt the same way yourself.
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How is this defending your point? I think people who make up genders are attention seeking, now you explain why they aren't.
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Already did, you transphobic dimwit.
Have you seen Blaire White's videos on this topic? She is a transgender YouTuber and your viewpoints in your comment seem similar to hers. Another good trans YouTuber is Matthew C.
Thankfully they don't care about your view. You have the right to link words together and believe you are thinking... It's just silly of you to expect anyone else to take you seriously. At the end of the day, people who see you in public do see your stupidity, and it's not subjective. Is their identity too nuanced for you? Oh, poor you! How mean of gender binary people for being who they are and messing with your head. Don't worry, though, you can come back to school until you are not confused anymore.
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I'm just sorry you fall for the bullshit of someone calling themselves a whole list of stupid things really. Someone comes up to you saying they're a "demiqueer pansexual agender", you're supposed to take that seriously?
If you can't see why this trivialisation of being LGBT is offensive to actual LGBT people, then I'm not the ignorant one here.
If someone who wanted to re-criminalise being openly LGBT came into power tomorrow, that would be my fucked up reality I'd have to live with. I'm gay rain or shine, whatever the political climate. Meanwhile Miss Thing with the blue mohawk and black lipstick can simply change her hair and get a makeup wipe, and live the rest of her life as a normal woman. That is why these people don't speak on my behalf, and while they're free to do what they want, they are not LGBT.
It's not about clothing, or a costume you put on.
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You are ignorant, unconscious of your privileges and, really, a total jerk. If they can live in the closet, so do you. Besides, homosexual people cause more aversion and reaction from the right than gender binary people do. Transgender people cause even more reaction, but they are also the ones that suffer the most violence, that have the identity that is the hardest to hide and suffer the most from hiding it. Your identity is merely sexual orientation, which is not even an inherent part of the self in standard social life. You can live single without negating anything, while gender is only repressed by negating the most basic elements of social identity. Besides, you have the right to call yourself true LGBT, but the fight for rights has always been led by the left, and the actual authority has already passed from your hands, so you are the one that sounds silly believing yourself to be "true" LGBT. You are someone that is affected by LGBT agenda and an unimportant member of the LGBT community, but you are not even close to relevance in actual civil rights activism.
They are offensive to you because you are a bad person who wants all the privilege you have to yourself, plain and simple. You just hapen to be too much of a coward as well to actually admit it.
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Right so I have to live single to negate any kind of prejudice in society? That's the fucking problem right there. So much for my fucking "privilege" right?
And this pisses me off too. The nerve of these basically straight people, with a bit of gender nonconformity who just want to be edgy. They come into gay and transgender peoples' spaces and accuse US of being the "privileged" ones, when we tell them no, you're trivialising our life experiences down to clothing and that's not ok.
Fuck off with that shit. If your biggest issue in life is that someone tells you "you're attention seeking" when you clearly make up stupidly nuanced terms for your gender identity to be edgy, you're the fucking privileged one. Like I said, you can walk into a room full of people who are hostile to LGBT people, and just drop that shit and pass.
I can't do that (and yes being gay does come into standard social life, because drains your mental health to hide it) neither can a genuine trans person who has gender dysphoria is physically transitioning (or at least has a wish to). This isn't a game of identity politics to us, it's a fucked up reality that follows us through life that ONLY we experience and you don't. Wondering if coming out means being attacked physically, if we'll get fired, how people are going to judge us. So to then see these people revel in their "identities!" like it's a fun fucking game, it's not.
So don't fucking tell me who is "privileged" and that I'm a bad person, for disliking this hijacking of our narratives and movement with attention-seeking, anti-science bollocks.
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That IS a privilege, you complete idiot. You see, the people you are trying to corner back into the closet don't have such a convenient choice in order to be accepted. Clothing is not even a fundamental part of being gender binary or transgender, it's just a simple expression that, obviously, even though relatively not all that important, is more significant than deciding not to be single. And what is all this nonsense about gender binary people not suffering violence? They are killed everyday, you imbecile. Or what? Do you think the violent gang at the gym is going to let a male-born binary person pass by openly? Of course not. It's actually easier for you to remain in the closet than it is for him, and I'm not even starting to talk about the people that are even more discriminated against than them.
Ohh, so it drains your mental health to hide it? Poor you! I guess it must not drain their health at all, after all, you said so! You only believe in what is convenient for you. Their health is drained just as much if not more. And who said most gender binary people are straight according to your eyes? Many of them are not, and some of them suffer more from being binary than from being homosexual. Additionaly, the health of trans people is drained MORE, you jerk. It's not possible to equate the general social background of trans people to that of homosexuals. And no, being gay does not come into standard social life at the earliest level, that's why it's so easy to hide it if you are single. Does not mean it is easy to be gay, having privilege in one are does not hinder someone from not being priviliged in others. Besides, you are in no place to actually claim the sympathy of the trans community, since you only accept those that have transitioned through hormone therapy (who suffer much more discrimination than homosexual people), while not accepting other trans people. Some of which, while we are at that, have their health drained much more than yours could ever be. You don't experience the same thing transgender people experience, and incidentally, why do you talk like I'M gender binary? Why do you suppose I'm not gay? Or transgender? What a moron. And anti-science? LMFAO You are a nobody who does not decide the views of science. I'm a medical scientist who offers care for transgender people and who work with psychologists, also scientists whose area of expertise is related. It's my place to call you off.
In any case, the fact stands; you are just a bad person who is too much of a coward to admit it. I will be coming back as many times as I want to, and there is nothing you can do about it.
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Calling everyone a jerk is not helping your case. And, you're being irrelevant. How does the suffering of trans people make the suffering of gay people any less? People like you disgust me. We should be here for each other.