do you have a link to that ive never thought about that but i suppose they are quite similar they both seek to ruin other people work or bring them down i think this is because of their own inability to create invent and design and id say it does a wee bit for their self esteem, ( because of the attention ) however it also makes me wonder if this helps them emotionally is it such a bad thing (though i would prefer they just get councilling or find something else more creative and constructive tbh, i also liked some of the other theories on the site, we need to welcome trollers and trap them and turn them into part of the comunity :)
Some of the hacker stuff I didn't read on the net. It was something about someone I knew and tried to take under my wing (I failed, although I tried very hard indeed), but because it's about an individual I can't really go into it too much.
In general, though, I think there's a part of men's personalities that seeks power and control and when we fail in our own eyes, we seek to subvert and get it whatever way we can. Trolling, hacking and rape have the same root to me. It's about power.
yes that wouldnt be fair to them (the latter you spoke of), i understand the concept of what you are saying too they need that sense of power and dominance but do not know any other way in wich to obtain it, trollers like to pick people apart push their buttons to feel like they have accomplished some for of dominance,
I wouldn't mind delving deeper into the psychology of why they need to obtain this power and control the way that they do all forms and including the latter and the ones unmentioned, id assume it has to do with things such as abuse, parents bullying , mental illness, education, social aspects that could be controlled in a perfect society,
I have one last query that would be is did we as society fail these people, would early intervention help these people?
Wow, there's a whole raft of talking points there. I like it when people ask these kind of questions because it's the kind of questions I think people should be asking. They're also not the kind of questions I can give you an answer to, because I'm still asking them too.
Have you ever read Brave New World, by the way? Very interesting book about how a "perfect" society isn't necessarily perfect.
I've often wondered about how to prevent people committing serious crime and I've commented often here about how people who abuse kids or commit murder should be subject to scientific studies trying to work out why they did it and how it can be prevented in the future.
I suspect the truth of it is quite a complicated situation. I see it like the butterfly effect. One single decision can affect your whole life and the psychology of why we make a particular decision is complicated too. I think education, inclusivity, and engaging with people work in a "band aid" kind of way but it doesn't deal with the people on the fringes of society or social norm.
It's one of those questions I don't have an answer to and I think anyone who says they do have an answer probably hasn't thought about it long enough.
sadly this is true, without extensive studies and research we will never be able to pinpoint what and where goes wrong for these people, im sure somewhere there is a bright spark researching this and i wish them the best of luck but i also fear untill enough people start asking these questions we will never have any answers to these questions
im rather interested in this book however, i have requested it from my local library :)
I've got a really strong feeling you're going to get a lot out of the book. Remembering that it was written in a world before genes were discovered or Prozac, it's scary how prophetic it is. At the very least, it'll make you think about how the world currently is. It's one of only two or three books that I can say really expanded my mind. :)
Would you be interested in some kind of way to meet others from IIN?
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do you have a link to that ive never thought about that but i suppose they are quite similar they both seek to ruin other people work or bring them down i think this is because of their own inability to create invent and design and id say it does a wee bit for their self esteem, ( because of the attention ) however it also makes me wonder if this helps them emotionally is it such a bad thing (though i would prefer they just get councilling or find something else more creative and constructive tbh, i also liked some of the other theories on the site, we need to welcome trollers and trap them and turn them into part of the comunity :)
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Some of the hacker stuff I didn't read on the net. It was something about someone I knew and tried to take under my wing (I failed, although I tried very hard indeed), but because it's about an individual I can't really go into it too much.
In general, though, I think there's a part of men's personalities that seeks power and control and when we fail in our own eyes, we seek to subvert and get it whatever way we can. Trolling, hacking and rape have the same root to me. It's about power.
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yes that wouldnt be fair to them (the latter you spoke of), i understand the concept of what you are saying too they need that sense of power and dominance but do not know any other way in wich to obtain it, trollers like to pick people apart push their buttons to feel like they have accomplished some for of dominance,
I wouldn't mind delving deeper into the psychology of why they need to obtain this power and control the way that they do all forms and including the latter and the ones unmentioned, id assume it has to do with things such as abuse, parents bullying , mental illness, education, social aspects that could be controlled in a perfect society,
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Wow, there's a whole raft of talking points there. I like it when people ask these kind of questions because it's the kind of questions I think people should be asking. They're also not the kind of questions I can give you an answer to, because I'm still asking them too.
Have you ever read Brave New World, by the way? Very interesting book about how a "perfect" society isn't necessarily perfect.
I've often wondered about how to prevent people committing serious crime and I've commented often here about how people who abuse kids or commit murder should be subject to scientific studies trying to work out why they did it and how it can be prevented in the future.
I suspect the truth of it is quite a complicated situation. I see it like the butterfly effect. One single decision can affect your whole life and the psychology of why we make a particular decision is complicated too. I think education, inclusivity, and engaging with people work in a "band aid" kind of way but it doesn't deal with the people on the fringes of society or social norm.
It's one of those questions I don't have an answer to and I think anyone who says they do have an answer probably hasn't thought about it long enough.
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sadly this is true, without extensive studies and research we will never be able to pinpoint what and where goes wrong for these people, im sure somewhere there is a bright spark researching this and i wish them the best of luck but i also fear untill enough people start asking these questions we will never have any answers to these questions
im rather interested in this book however, i have requested it from my local library :)
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I've got a really strong feeling you're going to get a lot out of the book. Remembering that it was written in a world before genes were discovered or Prozac, it's scary how prophetic it is. At the very least, it'll make you think about how the world currently is. It's one of only two or three books that I can say really expanded my mind. :)
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i read the synopsis on the book it sounds like a mind blowing read :) i cant wait untill i get my hands on it :P