There's a difference between "that may be provocative", and obviously looking for sexual attention.
You're confusing occasional provocative attire to casual provocative attire. If they are going to a place that needs such a look, then still the reaction is to be expected.
Yes, she may not be looking for "my attention" (people in general), but when someone goes to college in clothes that are provocative or goes shopping with it, which is a lot, then the standing still stands.
Such as the body language thing, I have to dissagree. I knew someone in college that dressed very provocative, and when she got stared at, she was like "Ugh, I hate when people stare at me", and I though to myself, wel you dressed in a way that will react in that behavior, what do you expect?
Jeans and a shirt. Trackies? They are definetly female available. I have seen plenty skirts that aren't thin, and going online to shop is also something you could do.
So you want to look good. Why do you want to look good?
The point of looking at the body language is so that you can tell if a woman wants attention from you. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.
If you're staring at a woman and she complains about it or gives you a disapproving look, JUST STOP STARING. It's not that hard. It sounds like you feel entitled to stare at women if they don't dress the way you think women should dress. Legally speaking, yes, you have the right to do that. But women also have the right to tell you to cut it out. I don't understand why it's so difficult to respect people's wishes. All you have to do is turn your head. It's super easy. If you make somebody uncomfortable by accident, just apologise. That's also super easy.
I want to look good because I enjoy it. I don't have to justify that to you or anybody else. Don't you like looking good? It's pretty common, you know, in humans.
Do you live somewhere where it doesn't get hot? Where I live, walking around in jeans can be unsafe in the summer because of the heat. In the end, though, it doesn't matter if you think it's hot enough for short shorts. It doesn't matter if you think women are dressing inappropriately. If it's as common as you say, then it's within the bounds of what's acceptable in our society, and you need to get over it. What a person is wearing is not an excuse for you to be rude to them. Period. Nobody's going to arrest you for staring, but if you openly stare, you're being rude, and sometimes people will call you out on it. Deal with it.
So if I walk outside naked, then crossed my arms, I should be shocked or feel violated if someone is staring at me in that manner?
If you are wearing very revealing clothing, it's common sense that people are going to stare. You're trying to say everyone should change their nature, and yes, their nature, back to our primitive times they even done this by carvings, etc, just ebcause she wants to dress in a provocative way.
Why do you enjoy it? What makes it so enjoying? Yes, I like looking good, and why? Because I like to be seen by other people as looking smart and handsome. People stare at me for it, and I understand why. When I don't want someone to stare at me, I also understand the way "I" chose to dress made me someone to look at. We want to look good so that others make us look good, otherwise why would you feel the need to walk outside looking as such? If you are doing it for you, then why not do it in your home, then dress respectfully when going out?
Woman, don't talk to me about areas not hot. It is roating here. My skin apparantly has started looking golden instead of pale (I like pale more) because of the heat, and I barely go out, about an hour at most. Don't you dare! It brings bad memories of losing my pale skin. Lol.
On serious note, what about trackies? Average shorts? Skirts that don't show the bottom of your...bottom?
Well if you dress in a away that gives off sexual pressence, then you're going to be stared at. It's not against the law. Deal with it. Same train of thought.
It's not legal or socially acceptable to walk outside naked. My point is that if somebody is behaving within the social norm, it's not appropriate to react in a rude way. Going out naked isn't within the social norm. Wearing a short skirt is.
If you personally enjoy it because people look at you, fine. That's not why I enjoy it. I enjoy looking good even when I'm completely alone.
By "trackies", I assume you mean "track pants", and those aren't really appropriate for many situations. They're fine if you're just going to the grocery store or working out, but they're not professional or appropriate for a moderately nice restaurant (basically anything other than a fast food place or diner). A man might be able to get away with it, but there are higher standards for what women are supposed to wear. You can get away with jeans, but people still stare, and if a woman's jeans actually fit correctly, she'll be accused of wearing tight pants.
You're complaining about women complaining about getting stared at. If you do something rude, it's silly to complain about people pointing it out. Wearing revealing clothing isn't rude (except in certain situations, like at a funeral). It has nothing to do with you.
Also, "average" shorts are for women are much, much shorter than average shorts for men. Unless you shop in the men's section, you get short shorts.
And staring is socially acceptable. For example, if we see a music player on the street, we listen and stare at them. Why? Because we like what they're doing, and we want to stare at them.
Perhaps it shouldn't be socially accpetable. Have you seen the youth today? Taking after their mothers and older sisters. I have seen ten year old girls with short skirts on. It should be socially unnaceptable, because the youth are suffering for it. This won't happen, though. We value women being happy with their equality more than the youth, unfortunatly.
So do I. I enjoy looking good on my own and in public. If you like looking good on your own, then why not be on your own to look good, and then dress less revealing when going out in public? Surely you wouldn't find that hard since you enjoy it when you're on your own, and don't like the reactions to it in public. Like I said on the other comment. Dress the way you want to look good at home, but not in public. Since you don't care if people find you look good, it shouldn't be hard for you to do.
Well wear slacks (I think that's what they're called) a long skirt/dress, and so on. I assure you, being provocative isn't exactly professional for going to a resteraunt either. There are no higher standards other than the what the women put their standards. The only downfall to not wearing these clothes is that people won't think you look good, and won't spend as much time staring at you thinking "She looks good", which is what you are saying you don't want people to do.
What? People stare at women for wearing jeans? Ok, now I think you're going a bit overboard. I have moved to so many places, and most have women that have nearly their whole breasts falling out of their shirts, and the ones that don't get stared at are the ones wearing casual clothes like jeans and a shirt.
Again, you're trying to say that people shouldn't look at what they like to look at when those women that don't like to be looked at are the root cause of being looked at because of their choices in clothing. If they don't want to be stared at, they should wear clothes less revealing, and if they want to look good for them to see, nobody else, then do it at home. Again, this is just like someone playing music in the street, then expecting nobody to stop and listen.
Yes, people stare when I'm wearing jeans. If you won't believe me, I'm done here. It seems like you refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit into your idea of a world where women are always wrong and men are always reasonable.
Why do you keep avoiding answering the part about dressing a certain way alone, then changing for going out in public?
It makes me feel as if you can't answer it, because the reason you decided to not cotinue replying is quite trivial, and I basically done the same thing in a previous comment with you, just in a different situation, and you still replied in full.
Either way, if you are expecting me to believe you that people stare at you because of your jeans more than they would stare at you in revealing clothing, them how can you think someone would believe that. Perhaps you are just attractive and are looking at your face, where as in revealing clothing they are looking at the rest?
Why women wear tight fitting clothes?
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There's a difference between "that may be provocative", and obviously looking for sexual attention.
You're confusing occasional provocative attire to casual provocative attire. If they are going to a place that needs such a look, then still the reaction is to be expected.
Yes, she may not be looking for "my attention" (people in general), but when someone goes to college in clothes that are provocative or goes shopping with it, which is a lot, then the standing still stands.
Such as the body language thing, I have to dissagree. I knew someone in college that dressed very provocative, and when she got stared at, she was like "Ugh, I hate when people stare at me", and I though to myself, wel you dressed in a way that will react in that behavior, what do you expect?
Jeans and a shirt. Trackies? They are definetly female available. I have seen plenty skirts that aren't thin, and going online to shop is also something you could do.
So you want to look good. Why do you want to look good?
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The point of looking at the body language is so that you can tell if a woman wants attention from you. I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.
If you're staring at a woman and she complains about it or gives you a disapproving look, JUST STOP STARING. It's not that hard. It sounds like you feel entitled to stare at women if they don't dress the way you think women should dress. Legally speaking, yes, you have the right to do that. But women also have the right to tell you to cut it out. I don't understand why it's so difficult to respect people's wishes. All you have to do is turn your head. It's super easy. If you make somebody uncomfortable by accident, just apologise. That's also super easy.
I want to look good because I enjoy it. I don't have to justify that to you or anybody else. Don't you like looking good? It's pretty common, you know, in humans.
Do you live somewhere where it doesn't get hot? Where I live, walking around in jeans can be unsafe in the summer because of the heat. In the end, though, it doesn't matter if you think it's hot enough for short shorts. It doesn't matter if you think women are dressing inappropriately. If it's as common as you say, then it's within the bounds of what's acceptable in our society, and you need to get over it. What a person is wearing is not an excuse for you to be rude to them. Period. Nobody's going to arrest you for staring, but if you openly stare, you're being rude, and sometimes people will call you out on it. Deal with it.
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So if I walk outside naked, then crossed my arms, I should be shocked or feel violated if someone is staring at me in that manner?
If you are wearing very revealing clothing, it's common sense that people are going to stare. You're trying to say everyone should change their nature, and yes, their nature, back to our primitive times they even done this by carvings, etc, just ebcause she wants to dress in a provocative way.
Why do you enjoy it? What makes it so enjoying? Yes, I like looking good, and why? Because I like to be seen by other people as looking smart and handsome. People stare at me for it, and I understand why. When I don't want someone to stare at me, I also understand the way "I" chose to dress made me someone to look at. We want to look good so that others make us look good, otherwise why would you feel the need to walk outside looking as such? If you are doing it for you, then why not do it in your home, then dress respectfully when going out?
Woman, don't talk to me about areas not hot. It is roating here. My skin apparantly has started looking golden instead of pale (I like pale more) because of the heat, and I barely go out, about an hour at most. Don't you dare! It brings bad memories of losing my pale skin. Lol.
On serious note, what about trackies? Average shorts? Skirts that don't show the bottom of your...bottom?
Well if you dress in a away that gives off sexual pressence, then you're going to be stared at. It's not against the law. Deal with it. Same train of thought.
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If you did you are most likely a nudist and they see this as normal.
It's not legal or socially acceptable to walk outside naked. My point is that if somebody is behaving within the social norm, it's not appropriate to react in a rude way. Going out naked isn't within the social norm. Wearing a short skirt is.
If you personally enjoy it because people look at you, fine. That's not why I enjoy it. I enjoy looking good even when I'm completely alone.
By "trackies", I assume you mean "track pants", and those aren't really appropriate for many situations. They're fine if you're just going to the grocery store or working out, but they're not professional or appropriate for a moderately nice restaurant (basically anything other than a fast food place or diner). A man might be able to get away with it, but there are higher standards for what women are supposed to wear. You can get away with jeans, but people still stare, and if a woman's jeans actually fit correctly, she'll be accused of wearing tight pants.
You're complaining about women complaining about getting stared at. If you do something rude, it's silly to complain about people pointing it out. Wearing revealing clothing isn't rude (except in certain situations, like at a funeral). It has nothing to do with you.
Also, "average" shorts are for women are much, much shorter than average shorts for men. Unless you shop in the men's section, you get short shorts.
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And staring is socially acceptable. For example, if we see a music player on the street, we listen and stare at them. Why? Because we like what they're doing, and we want to stare at them.
Perhaps it shouldn't be socially accpetable. Have you seen the youth today? Taking after their mothers and older sisters. I have seen ten year old girls with short skirts on. It should be socially unnaceptable, because the youth are suffering for it. This won't happen, though. We value women being happy with their equality more than the youth, unfortunatly.
So do I. I enjoy looking good on my own and in public. If you like looking good on your own, then why not be on your own to look good, and then dress less revealing when going out in public? Surely you wouldn't find that hard since you enjoy it when you're on your own, and don't like the reactions to it in public. Like I said on the other comment. Dress the way you want to look good at home, but not in public. Since you don't care if people find you look good, it shouldn't be hard for you to do.
Well wear slacks (I think that's what they're called) a long skirt/dress, and so on. I assure you, being provocative isn't exactly professional for going to a resteraunt either. There are no higher standards other than the what the women put their standards. The only downfall to not wearing these clothes is that people won't think you look good, and won't spend as much time staring at you thinking "She looks good", which is what you are saying you don't want people to do.
What? People stare at women for wearing jeans? Ok, now I think you're going a bit overboard. I have moved to so many places, and most have women that have nearly their whole breasts falling out of their shirts, and the ones that don't get stared at are the ones wearing casual clothes like jeans and a shirt.
Again, you're trying to say that people shouldn't look at what they like to look at when those women that don't like to be looked at are the root cause of being looked at because of their choices in clothing. If they don't want to be stared at, they should wear clothes less revealing, and if they want to look good for them to see, nobody else, then do it at home. Again, this is just like someone playing music in the street, then expecting nobody to stop and listen.
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Why do you keep avoiding answering the part about dressing a certain way alone, then changing for going out in public?
It makes me feel as if you can't answer it, because the reason you decided to not cotinue replying is quite trivial, and I basically done the same thing in a previous comment with you, just in a different situation, and you still replied in full.
Either way, if you are expecting me to believe you that people stare at you because of your jeans more than they would stare at you in revealing clothing, them how can you think someone would believe that. Perhaps you are just attractive and are looking at your face, where as in revealing clothing they are looking at the rest?