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Do you agree? Actually when today male and female are seen equal then why do women get the upperhand at the workplace. Why there is a ladies compartment in a train. Men cant travel in that but women can travel in both. Why Ladies First? if a women is standing be a gentlemen and offer the lady a seat.
Women get multiplied by 3 in the same place men get divided by 3????
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I've never seen a ladies compartment in a train.
I've never seen a man offer a lady a seat (unless she was elderly).
Um, ladies compartments are so they don't get groped, molested, or harassed, because that's a thing. A thing that happens. Particularly in Japan (the only place I've seen these sections).
As for the workplace, look up some real statistics. According to the Census Bureau, men and women are about equally represented in the workplace (though the sectors they work in differ greatly). The big issue that you're missing, however, is that women on average earn about 77% of what men do. So I'm not sure what you mean by "upper hand".
Although I'd agree that chivalry (offering seats, holding doors, etc) is a pretty dumb and archaic idea. People should just do that for each other based on kindness anyway.
Be careful of statistics. If women earn less than men for doing exactly the same job, it's a problem. It also doesn't happen so much any more although I admit it used to. But saying that women (in general) earn less than men is misleading when, as you say, they work in different sectors. If a secretary is a woman and the president, prime minister or chancellor is a man, should they get equal pay? I know that's reductio ad absurdum but I'm using it for illustration only.
The truth is that women's and men's pay differ because women are being denied the higher-paying jobs. But that doesn't mean we should automatically pay all women more as some kind of equality. It means we should be more equal with opportunities. Pay isn't the issue. Attitudes to women are.
One final point: men and women aren't equally represented in the workplace. The majority was traditionally male in most Western countries but tipped past the 50/50 in the first decade of this century and is continuing apace towards a more female bias.
Your second paragraph is what I meant to imply but never got around to writing. I meant their median income, not on an individual level.
The numbers I've seen have shown around 48% for women, but if that's changed slightly, my point still stands. Arguments against affirmative action tend to be overblown and misled, and the idea that women get the "upper hand" because they've approached men in terms of fiscal representation is pretty silly.
Yeah, exactly. I wasn't saying you were wrong. I was just adding clarification because it's very easy to think "women earn less than men" is solved by "pay all women more".
As for the point of the poll, I think women do have the upper hand in some areas but often inconsequential ones. Even if women were paid more than men (as a median), I wouldn't see them as having the upper hand unless there was some mechanism preventing men of equal worth earning what women do. The remnants of that mechanism are still in place against women and, as such, it can't be said they have the upper hand. Even when pay is truly equal, it'll still take some time for fairness to settle in.
ItDuz couldn't you have condensed all of these posts into one about gender bias in society? Better that then all these mini rants about the same issue.
i heard of a special ladies department where females can go to the toilet, and men cant go there.
its not fair !
That's because real men have no interest in what a woman has to say so we send them to the slave ummm i mean ladies compartment....
Just about everywhere you go you'll find some form of sexism.... While "Ladies Compartment" sounds awfully familiar, I don't think I've ever come across one. In the past (many decades ago), it was consider quite normal for men to be polite towards women. For instance, if there was a puddle the man would be expected to literally put his jacket over the puddle so the women could safety traverse the puddle. Some very old fashioned people feel that I woman can't sit down at the table with a man unless he stands up and tells her that she can sit down (I think this one is rather ridiculous!) and then, there's the one you mentioned.
Only place I think women really have an upperhand is in courtrooms. Judges and Juries believe females more than men. So sleep with every girl who asks you to because she may just say you raped her. lol
I have only seen a man offer his seat to the elderly, I have never seen a ladies compartment, and dont really see how woman have the upperhand. At every place I've worked it was either equal or men would have easier chances of positions. Men make more money then the women for the same job. I say chill out
i have never seen a man offer a seat to a lady but yea we do have a ladies compartment in train here in India and ladies toilet where men are not allowed. but its like that and thats the way it is
You know what? I worked in a place that was ALL male, except me. I was the only female to ever work there on the floor (I was a welder). I am a very easygoing person and I like to joke around. The guys (some of them) would make sexual jokes, just general sexual jokes, not personal towards me. A guy reported another guy for making jokes, and we all had to go to this big sexual harrassment class. It sucked. Yeah, it can be gross and uncomfortable when guys make sexual jokes that are perrsonal, or make advances that are unwanted, but I think sexual harassment has goe too far. It was absurd.
But who can you blame? It has to fall on the guy making the jokes and shit, because you never know ho wthe females will take it. And, it's fucking gross if it's really disgusting and unwanted and personal. You can't really blame females for the whole sexual harassment shit, it's teh guys who are doing it, and they don't know how the female is going to take it, they should just NOT do it, period. Who needs that trouble? It was a waste of my and everyone's time tpo attend the stupid class, and it just made things tense in the workplace. So....who's to blame? Guys should just refrain from making sexual advances and jokes at work, problem solved.
Where I work, women have posters on the walls of bare-chested men. They have them as their screen savers too. No man would do this because they'd see it as wrong in today's society. Why is it okay for women to surround themselves with sexual images that may be seen by men, but not the other way around?
I don't agree with the last part.
Perfume. Perfume is not deodrant and is usually worn to attract males. If a female wears perfume in the workplace and males get irritated by it, does that mean that females should just stop wearing perfume at work?
It's not the guys fault for joking around with his fellow workmen, it's the females fault for taking something personal that wasn't even aimed at her.
I agree, it's not always personal....but really, it just shouldn't happen. I mean, guys just shouldn't make those jokes or advances, no matter what. So if you think I smell good you tink it means I want your dick? No, it doesn't. It's just best if you don't assume anything, and just act normal and don't assume any female at work wants your cock unless she says so.
That's kind of odd. You're saying because perfume is attractive it somehow equates to sexual harassment? That's like saying smiling or showering (or, hell, having an attractive face) is sexual harassment. But I guess if by "irritated" you mean "basically having an allergic reaction", I agree, most people wear way too much perfume and cologne. It really is irritating.
Sex jokes that aren't directed to anyone should be fine, I agree. There's nothing wrong with that - people have sex and we should get over it. But if people are making inappropriate suggestive remarks that make someone uncomfortable, male or female, they shouldn't feel worried about taking something too "personally". They should ask them to stop, and if it doesn't, they should take it to their employers. These kinds of thing are too often seen as "just joking around" and I'll admit that sometimes it is, but it can also be out of line, mean, or even dangerous.
Perfume is to attract the opposite gender. It's made for attraction and applied for attraction.
I didn't deny that, but I'm saying so is showering daily, eating a mint, fixing your hair, and wearing deodorant. None of those things are used for survival or anything, it's to appear presentable to other people (particularly the opposite sex). I'm also saying it's not nearly on the same level as sexual harassment like suggestive sexual comments or touching. Wouldn't you agree? I just think there's a line - things like wearing perfume or straightening your tie or anything like that is below the line because it's not directed to someone specifically. I think that's where the line is.
If someone is fixated on you and the way they express it (whether it's through sex jokes, staring, or mints and perfume) makes you uncomfortable, I think you should have the right to say so.
Perfume and showering are two sepearate things. One is to smell nice to attract people while the other is to not smell bad and to have healthy hygiene.
There is a difference between perfume and your examples. The examples you use is used to stop body odder, not to improve your good smell, but to improve your bad smell.
It's not on a higher level than those things but still can be applied to the list of sexual harrassment.
So, if a man makes a sexual joke about someone he has slept with, not an insulting joke, a funny joke, then the female shoudln't be allowed to claim sexual harrassment because it isn't directed to her specificly.
There is a difference between why deodrant was made and why perfume was made. Nowadays, deodrant has turned into something like perfume but there are still many deodrants that aren't for giving good smell and are for stopping sweat. Why can't females wear that instead of perfume?
Straightening your hair isn't sexual harrassment, that's looking presentable.
But, what about a woman that wears a short skirt to work with a shirt that isn't properly buttoned up right? Should a male be allowed to claim sexual harrassment there?
I kinda agree with the first point, about how in some cases women get special treatment purely because they're women. However, a lot of women get quite the opposite, especially in male dominant careers.
And I've never heard of a ladies compartment, what is it:S:L?!?