Why is it like that

Part of the problem is encouraging everyone who gets confused to go trans. If going trans worked so well for their depression they wouldnt have sky high suicide rates even after transitioning.

Once they transition and god forbid cut their dick off and get a Frankenstein vagina hey look in the mirror they see they look ridiculous and not like the gender they wanted. On top of that everyone thinks theyre weird. People dont want to date them. The only place they fit in is a LGTB club and hanging around those people alone will increase suicide rates.

If you cared so much about them you wouldnt lie to them and tell them its as easy as snapping your fingers and changing genders and you'll be happy and its brave. Its not it at all. The worst thing you can do is encourage it.

it be like that sometimes

Bro, just say you think trans people deserve special treatment and go.

No one should kill themselves. Everyone is worthy of life and love. That's all I'm going to say.

Sorry if u didn't understand what i meant.i am not saying men's issues are not important, i am saying that trans issues are equally important. And that there is a double standard when talking about suicide rates.
People demonize trans people so much they end up taking their lives, as u said, the factors that aggravate their life are external, not bc they are trans, but bc people treat them poorly bc they are trans.
Also, being talked about does not mean being talked about positively. As much as there is some good talk about trans people, there is much more rejection towards them. Seeing people debating your basic rights on the internet like it's just something not important affects your mental health.
I have yet to see people debating men's rights as if it were something debatable.
Men's issues are important, and i care about them a lot, of course i don't want men to suffer, damn.

Also!!! I am up to debate (not really cause basic human rights shouldn't be debatable) however, if u express yourself in a hateful way i will hide your comment. This is not a trans witch hunting, this is literally the opposite. So be nice.

Firstly they don't. Often the feminists bring it up and covertley shit on men whilst doing it. Saying shit like the patriarchy and male social groups causes men to commit suicide.
Secondly being a trangender is a choice, being a man isn't. Thirdly it's a way of telling people to stay away from taking that choice. And finally why do you guys assume everyone who disagrees with you "hates transgender people"?

I guess we'll never know why it's always like that.

Unfortunately trans people have to pee and stuff :0
If it's like a changing room i would understand that you might feel uncomfortable by it, the same way that trans person might feel uncomfortable on the changing room they don't identify with. What i would suggest in that case would be, making a third changing room, a genderneutral one that anyone can use at any moment and i think everyone would feel more comfortable that way.The bathroom stuff is something i don't understand still. Like, there are bathroom cubicles inside the bathroom, no one ever whips their genitalia out when they go to pee, specially trans people bc they can get assaulted for being there.
They just want to pee bro, is not a big deal. They do their bussiness in the cubicle and u don't have to see a thing i promise.I sometimes am more concerned about the genitalia police, like why do u care so much about people's private parts??? I am more uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone who cares so much about my genitals u know. It's creepy.And if the issue you have with bathrooms is that, men can "dress up and pretend to be women" so they can spy on women, that's not tran's people's fault. That's predatory men's fault. Let's not get them mixed up. And if a man wants to be a perv he is going to be a perv regardless of who uses the bathroom. They don't care.It's not that they interfere in your life, we just live in the same planet earth and breathe the same air, is difficult to not interfere in no ones life if u are alive u know, since we live in society. Entering a bathroom to pee is not interfering in your life, is having a human necessity and taking care of it.
Trans people usually don't go to bathrooms bc they get so terrorized by cis people in them they prefer to hold it in.
How would u feel if just did not let you pee one day, just bc. Idk it's weird.And about the rest of the community, we are aware that there are some transphobe among us. Is not a secret. Trans people are the ones who get discriminated the most.What i would say is, it's okay to have a genital preference. If u only like one thing and not the other it's okay. And trans people understand that. If you tell them you won't date them bc you have a genital preference, if you tell them that you respect their identity but don't want to date them i promise, trans people understand, and they move on. They won't force u to date them.
HOWEVER, if that trans person has fully transitioned (medical transition, operations and all that stuff) and you refuse to date them solely bc of the fact that they are trans, that is transphobic, bc it's not a genital preference.
Hope that cleared things out.

"Forced onto them" what does that mean? We just want to live our lives to the fullest, that's it.
What u are saying, basically, is
"I don't care if u are this way but don't show it cause it makes me uncomfortable"
That's not accepting, that's pushing people down and make them fit into a norm YOU chose bc it's more comfortable for you to just not see it.
We are not pushing, we are just living. Of course we want to change the world so we can feel more welcome in it. We have lived for centuries in a world that doesn't want us, doesn't like us and wants us to shut up and comply. It's not nice.Also, something i have noticed is that, you all see the lgbtq as this huge campaign that wants you to change your lifestyle completely and pressure u to fit into a norm you are not comfortable with.That's literally what you guys are doing. It's the same, what you are accusing us to do, is what you guys have been doing to us.The difference is that we, i swear to god i am talking as an lgbtq person, don't want you to change the way you live. You are cis? Then be cis! You are straight? Then be straight! I promise we don't give a fuck, fr. We Just want people to treat us with respect and have the same rights. No one is gonna force u to be a gender you are not, no one is gonna force you to marry someone you don't love.But that's what we have been forced to do all this time, and now that we don't look down and let it happen, it feels threatening for u, but i promise no one wants to hurt other people less than we do. We just want peace.

About the doctor. It's not the first time they have done the surgeries poorly. We know they won't look the same, i am not talking about that. I'm talking about top surgery done wrong in purpose, the chest getting infected bc they didn't remove all the tissue on purpose, leaving big scars that weren't necessary at all, nipples in the wrong place, infections and bleeding.
If it was a one time thing i could pass it as a mistake, but they have done it plenty of times. Even the trans organization in my country are now warning young trans people to go to a different doctor, because they always fuck up on purpose. It was not an accident.

Human rights have become political and it's not trans people's fault.
Let's set as an example.
Imagine you are a kid, back to school and all that crap. The bell rings and it's playtime. There are two kids that wanna play with you.
One of them picks on you, calls you names, hits u etc.
The other one would play with you, no kind of violence from their part, and it would just be generally more quiet and peaceful.
Now i am asking you, who would you play with?
I hope i am understanding you well but u said it bc you think lgbtq people are like a leftist political strategy or something. That's not the case. We just rather have someone who would not treat us poorly, and apparently, only the left (center sometimes i guess?) cares about their issues while the other people demonize them.

We didn't make it political, it was them. Not every trans person/lgbtq person would be a leftist if the right cared about them. But they don't and that's why they find refuge there.

The left doesn't care about us either but at least they pretend a bit lol.

And about the denying, i thought it was an official thing, a law that was imposed on the usa but then again, I'm not from there so i honeslty don't really know if it ended up official or if they backed down. However, even if it's not by law, i have seen doctors make terrible "gender affirming surgeries" on purpose just to fuck with trans people. Leaving them scarred for life and unable to live their best lives (in my country).

I know other people get kicked out of their homes too, but they don't get kicked out just bc of being trans. There is a difference. No one should be kicked out, but even less if the reason is "you are trans so i hate u"

Because some people care more about whether someone can change their gender "for real" (why does that even matter so much?) than what would actually be the best for life quality for those people, when they simply cannot be happy with the sex they were born as. They cannot be 100% the gender they want to, but its still fair to let them transition as far as practically possible if thats what they want, and not be an asshole about it. However I dont agree with letting children transtition physically. And its also important trans people know the risks and side effects of taking a gender operation.

I saw someone talking about their male to female operation on youtube, and it sounds terrible with the part of turning your penis into a vagina, as you essentially have to create a wound that you have to constantly poke into to keep it from closing. People should know that stuff, and maybe reconsider that part

For example there is people who can refuse to give them medical treatment bc they are trans. People still debate if they should be showed on tv, if their stories matter to be heard. They can get kicked out of their homes and jobs simply bc they are trans. And people disrespect them and their identity 24/7. Those are a few examples. They always treat them like freaks and predators and that's not the case. It obviously feels awful. And also the big pressure of fitting into the cisgender normativity. It's like, if u pass as a cis person people don't give a fuck, but if u don't pass they will make u live hell for it. Cis people want trans girls to be femenine and trans boys to be masculine and if they don't exactly comply into the norm they are called a faker, or they get accused of faking their trans identity, when in reality they should just be treated like everyone else bc it's not our bussiness.I don't know if u ever got discriminated against or bullied but it's something that really fucks u up. Kids at the age of 11 or 12 have committed suicide sometimes bc they have being bullied at school. Being bullied for being trans can have the same response. I think it's pretty obvious.

Jeezus, I couldn't have misunderstood what I didn't read and I clearly and promptly told you that. It's neither a matter of lying nor misunderstanding, it's more a matter of my own bias against you, sorry. ;)

But since this exchange of ours has nothing to do with the matter at hand, we shouldn't take it any further.

I must admit I stopped reading at "men's issues", assumed what came next and replied without care...