1.
It's fine if you want to rip on me. Tbh the original conversation has been pivoted away so much that I'm surprised I'm still even responding even after knowing I can't actually expect the original conversation to go back on track. If I'm short here it's just to save space and time, I'm not being sassy if I say I agree with you or accept what you say as fair.
2.
- Makes sense.
3.
- That may be fair but I actually approached him in good faith to this argument and he initiated the condescending and insulting comments. I even tried to help him on a point to bring them both on the same page to see where they could actually disagree genuinely.
- He is a douchebag in my eyes. Did you read his comments where he has like 3 lines of relevant response and then 6 lines of comments referring to himself as shit like a giant black widow spinning it's webs like he's auditioning to play some live action Naruto villain type shit and then goes into gaslighting using subjects of addictions just to shame someone and making that their main go-to? I won't pretend to know you personally due to this being online and all but no way would you of not seen that as cringy bullshit from an egomaniac.
4.
- Lloyd might of made that analogy, I even claimed that might of been the case to S.W when I wasn't arguing with him. That said, Lloyd also made other comments that would imply that it's entirely possible for his analogy to be a misguided one that doesn't actually represent his views. Noticing this I inform S.W of this and he just passes it off as not even existing so I do the leg work and once I get down to it, despite S.W saying the opposite, Lloyd in far more depth explains that he does not believe slavery is justified nor moral, albeit for multiple and sometimes separate reasons. I've said this time and time to S.W and all I get in response is, "But he said he wants them to build monuments! That's what he said!" and I have to keep coming back to the fact that it isn't the only thing Lloyd said, infact it's a very small portion of what he said.
5.
- I haven't thought on the topic of if it's more moral to enslave a few for the many or to let the many die for the freedom of the few, I wanted to have that conversation to explore it but now I can't because it turned out the people I assumed were looking to have that conversation, or atleast one of them, were only doing it to knock the other and not actually discuss the topic.
- I mean if I really wanted to be an asshole I could do the same type of thing that's been done to me and Lloyd here and just throw out a, "Wow, wait...You know prisoners actually fall under the definition of slave? Wait, you think rapists should be able to go free? Why do you want women to be raped? Your principles aren't realistic! Make a perfect scenario where prisoners go free without hurting anyone otherwise you support slavery!" But it's gross to do that shit and I can fill in the blanks myself, and I just feel that courtesy is one sided.
6.
- Holding the past accountable is fine so long as we do it with the understanding that not every wrong doing was with the knowledge of it being wrong-doing and served a purpose, but then again I'm sure Hitler thought the same with your holocaust example, but then again we can't paint all things we learned from as having no reasoning behind them while other ones, like the holocaust, clearly have nothing to consider. It's a more complicated topic than I think we should get into here.
- That said, how would this work alongside the fact S.W stated that while we can judge the past that the future can't judge us or that it wouldn't be reasonable for them to do so even if they learn from our mistakes?
7.
- Ofcourse I don't think slavery is ok but neither did Lloyd when I asked him and people are still saying he thinks it's ok. I just wanted to join a discussion about using slavery to meet necessary bigger picture ends and bounce some ideas but he wouldn't do that though wouldn't stop running his mouth.
8.
- Nah. For example I don't think you're a virtue signaller as far as I'm aware of but when he is going the "Slavery is not ok, bigot!" spiel and then the dude he's saying that to is like, "Yeah...I know?" and he just repeats, "BUT SLAVERY IS NOT OK, BIGOT!" then yeah, that's performative because he knows there's a disconnect there but he also knows he can use Lloyd as a stepping stone to stand above everyone else and say, "I DISAGREE WITH SLAVERY!" and the crowd throws cookies over such a brave sentiment that nobody disagreed with him on. Then there was the Jennifer.L post. Holy fuck, that was just filled with egoism but the story he spun after it made it even worse. He was too beyond simply admitting something as mundane as being cringy and made this big story arch to avoid it. Then ofcourse there's the outright delusions of grandeur that I mentioned above, fuckin' spider manning it up.
9.
- Yes, I like to expose when people don't live up to their own standards when they're trying to force others to live up to them or shame others for not living up to them. Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean I won't take issue with people pretending they are perfect as they attack someone else for not being perfect.
10.
- Ok, I'll be clear here, dude. I barely even referenced it with less than a line, a snippet with barely any relevant information this "ex" could use and he took that as a way to turn the vast majority of his response into making the subject about that half a line of text. I'm sorry but at that point I refuse to accept this representation that I turned the talk into it when it was him that blew the topic up.
- I'll also say this. I don't for a second believe the story of his ex potentially being on this site exists, I think it was a made up story to cover up his easily bruised ego, and if you were in my shoes watching this dude going, "Don't say nothing! She might be hearing! But anyway, here's my credit card number, date of birth, my first pet's name, and what I like to do on Saturday nights" then you'd think the same.
- Ohohoho, no, no. People have hot girlfriends and I don't why you'd assume that was what my issue with him was. The post was one big jerk-off. The dude made, I shit you not, like an eight paragraph post about how any girl he's with is automatically the prettiest woman alive because he looks at their character and because he loves them and adores them, and all that mushy cliche shit for eight paragraphs. I didn't even think such a thing would be possible and maybe there would be contexts for it but on a damn post about someone finding a celebrity pretty? I simple responded, "Jesus Chriiiiiist, dude" and he then tried to say that was me trying to warn him and be chummy with him claiming it to be positive exchange I was making with him because there was too much information an ex of his could use, even though he never once referenced some ex stalking him on this site or potentially being able to for me to warn him about. I was just so dumbfounded I responded, "I'te".
- It's shit like that which makes me think he's doing this performative shit.
11.
- Lloyd might be, I don't know. You know full well I've probably done the most on this site to demonstrate that I'm not looking for friendships.
This might be a jumbled mess but I can't be assed reading through it all before sending it like I usually do. If I've missed something you want answered lemme know. The numbers are mainly to help me out here. Lol.
"--he then tried to say that was me trying to warn him and be chummy with him--"
*Webs up and discards BS*
I already made it clear that I didn't think you were _trying_ to be positive. That's ridiculous. You hate me. I just said it ended up _being_ positive, which you hated because you wouldn't piss on me to put a fire out. I wouldn't have expected you to do anything less than act like a POS.
Look, I'm going to level with you since the cat's out of the bag and it was already pretty obvious to everyone else... I'm... I'm Spider-Man, ItDuz. I couldn't have my ex find out which user I am because she would have inevitably told you all that I'm Spider-Man. But I've decided this site might finally be the perfect medium for me to communicate with the world.
*Has a sip of egomaniac flavored Monster energy drink*
Look, dude. First of all, I definitely didn't forshadowingly comment "this is what I do" a few months ago on your comment saying you think it's amusing to detect negative perceptions that someone else has and amplify them to the point of absurdity. No. This is the point we're at now. I'm fucking Spider-Man. Drop comments and suggestions below for how I can better protect the city with my inhuman abilities.
Or wait. Here's another one. I'm like Dexter, you know, the serial killer who only kills serial killers. I'm that but with with narcissism. My father could tell something was wrong with me early on and trained me to be a good person, to only use my narcissistic powers to utterly infuriate thinly veiled narcissists on internet forums. Oh, how the beatings were long and brutal. He didn't even use the phonebook; he used encyclopedias. But it's thanks to him that I'm here today to... ugh... fuck it.
Listen, I'm not gonna respond to all of your points because, I agree, that this post has gotten incredibly off topic, and while i understand what you're saying, responding bit by bit will literally send me off onto 5 tangents about the importance of german history, my thoughts on prison reform, and a bunch of bullshit regarding the philosophy of moral relativism, and you don't want to read all that shit because it will ultimately just be a giant expansion on my same original points, which i still stand by.
I will say this, though. I understand that you find him to be disingenuous and performative, but I'm super surprised you're blocking him...ever since i started visiting this site, the only thing I've ever seen you use it for was to engage in debates with people you disagree with. It's literally what you do here, so I'm surprised you are noping out of the chance to engage with someone who is on the opposite side of the spectrum. Also, it's entertaining, so boo shitduz
And one other thing, this is an aside. You've made a few comments on this thread (which I now can't find because everything is scattered all over the place) expressing your opinion that this user has duped me, manipulated me, tricked me somehow into buying his bullshit? That's so fucking condescending. Don't fucking insult my intelligence. I'm perfectly capable of critical thought and perfectly able to form my own opinion independently. I don't agree with everything he says, and I would have no problem expressing that if I felt like it. I doubt he would either. But the idea that he pulled a big one over on me and somehow manipulated me into...what...agreeing with him about some shit on the internet. That's insulting, dude.
That's alright, it is getting quite long. I wouldn't of minded reading those points on the topic to have the original conversation but the waters are too muddied now to have it here. Some other time.
Maybe old school ItDuz would of foolishly thought it was a fight worth having but I like to think I know when someone doesn't have the capacity for debate nowadays. He has lied, used fallacies, often uses vagaries to avoid committing to answers, is gaslighty as all hell, and he will come to me, cock in hand, and tell me that he is oh so many steps ahead but at the same time tells me that he's essentially at my mercy due to the conversation and then begs me to take down what I said? I can't argue with someone that can admit they're wrong but still thinks they're correct. "I fell for your bait...AS PLANNED, DUMBASS!"
I blocked him because he can't debate the topics and will drive away the original discussion just to avoid committing to a point, not because he has an opposite view. Maybe it should be an eyebrow raiser that I went through years of arguments with people such as yourself but still didn't block them yet have happily blocked him. Meh, doesn't matter now.
Look, I'll be blunt on this one so I'm not wasting time bullshitting about. Do I think that he's got you wrapped around his little finger like a lost puppy? No, ofcourse not, he doesn't have the capacity for that either. Do I think you are being far too charitable with him and accepting this retarded story he's conjured just to avoid himself being embarrassed over some mundane shit? Yes. Maybe it's just a bias as I assume you two are friendly with one another, I dunno.
*Edit*
I also don't appreciate that you're asking me to come to you with a level of respect as to not insult you by being condescending which wasn't my intent yet you have been gossiping like school children to blatantly insult me metaphorically behind my back. If you're going to ignore what I've said so you can use a bastardized representation of what has happened to mock me then that's fine but don't turn around and try to vilify me for a lack of respect after it, especially not when I've corrected the bastardized representation of what happened to you and you've chosen not to engage with it but to instead continue to use the bastardized representation to represent me elsewhere, because then it is all bullshit.
You have interacted with me enough to know that, if I want to be a fucking asshole to you, I will unapologetically be an asshole to you. If I wanted to tell you that you are a stupid, awful person, I would literally just reply to you, "you're an awful, morally bankrupt retard, shitduz," as evidenced by the fact that I have repeatedly said, point blank, that Lloyd motherfucking Asher is a piece of garbage who deserves to be violently yeeted into an active volcano. I have also said that directly to lloyd trasher, so I wasn't just talking shit behind his proverbial internet back (and it was promptly moderated for being abusive lol).
If you can seperate your personal opinions and your complete annoyance with SW from this thread for a moment, and think about reading it as a 3rd party. It is absolutely fucking absurd. It is ridiculous and so fucking hilarious and it devolved into a complete fucking shitshow. That's what I'm making fun of.
I am going to mock the ever loving shit out of this godforsaken thread. It's fucking insane. Do not conflate my making fun of this thread with me making fun of your character or even the original, INTENDED topic of discussion, which was SUPPOSED to be: can you justify an immoral act if it serves the greater good and can you justify sacrificing the few for the good of the many? (Normal question btw; it's often broached in college ethics classes).
The manner in which this thread just devolved into jibberish is on both of you, because you both had such egregiously different goal posts so it just turned into hilarious nonsense. There were points at which you were both arguing against shit the other person never even said. I was specifically laughing at (and mocking):
1. The outright stubborn refusal to concede that the Pharoah having slaves haul stone slabs through the desert was a reference to the pyramids. Ok, first of all it's funny because it's not particularly central to the issue being discussed, only insofar as it's a ridiculous example of something that's actually necessary to survival, but also because it should be blatantly fucking obvious what lloyd is saying here, but it became a HUGE point of contention for no fucking reason. And to make it even MORE hilarious, at some juncture, the pyramids were referred to as 'huge fuck off vanity monuments', which was kinda funny to begin with, but then it kept being repeated over and over by everyone, which was making me die laughing because it was nestled in paragraphs of serious debate, moral dilemmas then quote huge fucking fuck of vanity monuments with huge fuck off blocks...it was just so tourettes tick, out of place, just RIDICULOUS
2. The hypothetical. I understand the point of creating a hypothetical scenario to crystallize what someone's true stance would be. People use that technique in ethics debates all the time; "the train dilemma/the trolley problem" is a really popular example. So I get the intent.
That fucking devolved into an absolute FUCKING shitshow.
You gave SW a choice between
A. sacrifice a few people to save the many
and
B. Let everyone die
Well he fucking said nah, fuck both of those choices, I CHOOSE C. And because of that, the scenario kept getting retroactively adjusted to try and eliminate C as a possibility, but then he kept coming up with additions to the scenario that made C a possible choice again
And then it just devolved into a hilarious fucking disaster where everyone began to independently adjust the narrative until it became complete fucking nonsense. So now there's not just slaves and slaveholders, now there's bamboo merchants and bamboo consumers, and now there's 100 people on a desert fucking island, and now there's 10 people off a desert island and they're the only ones in this metaverse who know how to build fucking boats, and now wigz (bless her for trying to make SW's point of view more clear in a nice way- you shouldn't get pissy with her, she was just trying to help clarify) wants to know if the slaves get a boat ride too or something...
It was just a nonsensical shitshow hahahahaha. I'm surprised there wasn't suddenly a mutant guy, born with small boats instead of hands, who couldn't build anything because he had no opposable thumbs, because his hands were just boats, who just started bludgeoning people with his boat hands, just whaling on them until they submitted and built him a boat.
At the point where a fictitious hypothetical situation starts to devolve into a weird creative narrative with a ton of weird caveats, it just ceases to have ANY fucking meaning...I mean you could make up a fucking insane story to justify ANYTHING...like
Guy 1: do you think it's ok to kick dogs?
Guy 2: no way, dude. That's fucked up
Guy 1: but, like, what if Hitler showed up with a school bus full of kidnapped kids, then chopped one of their heads off with a chainsaw right in front of you and then threatened to off all of the rest of the kids after molesting them, then nuke New Zeland. But he promised not to do it if you kicked his dog? Would you do it then?
Guy 2: yeah, I guess. You're really fucking baked, aren't you, dude?
Guy 1: so you agree that kicking dogs is OK sometimes? Because you just said YOU WOULD TOTALLY KICK A DOG
Guy 2: what??? No dude. That's fucked up.
Since there is no fucking Hitler chainsaw bus, and there never will be, the hypothetical no longer translates to an actual moral stance. See, at some point, the REAL question you guys were debating, which WAS a good question...it just devolved into more and more absurd potential scenarios and then it went completely off the rails, so far off the rails that no one's questions got answered.
All of this could have been summed up in two sentences.
SW: slavery is always wrong, no exceptions ever
Shitduz: meh, I don't believe in moral absolutes. It really is wrong most of the time, but I think there's certain situations where it's a necessary evil
DONE...
That's what I'm mocking. Your original question was fine, man, but you both set eachother off so much that you ended up in an alternate dimension, and what you ended up talking about to try to explain your stance was patently fucking ridiculous. I think you can see the humor in it if you don't take it as a personal knock to your intelligence.
As for this GF shit.
I, once again, did not read the original comment. Didn't see it. Don't care that much. Maybe he said her eyes glisten like early morning dew drops in a field of flowers and it was super mofuckin cringy. Maybe it wasn't and you just think he's cringy already, so you saw it that way. I literally don't...FUCKING... care about ANY OF IT. NOT. ONE. FUCKING. DICK. HAIR.
It was brought up, by me, because you kept railing him for ad hominems and then you go and make a metric fuckload of comments absolutely bashing his character & telling him you found him untrustworthy, and found his comments made during your debate therefore untrustworthy because of his cringy gf comment/supposed lie. Like, c'mon. Literally the definition of an ad hominem. (I personally LOVE, LOVE using ad hominems, myself. always have, always will. I think they're legit, not a 'logical fallacy,' but if you're gonna tell other people they can't ad hom you, then maybe quit doing it yourself).
As far as me believing him??
I for sure am friendly with him, he's a site homey, but that has nothing to do with anything. I like him, but I don't know him on a deep, intimate level, so it's not a matter of me having some type of profound, unshakable TRUST in him. I literally have no way of knowing if he's lying. He could be you in a fugue state talking to yourself for all I know.
I am literally just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
One, because he hasn't given me any reason at all to assume he's a disingenuous person, and two, because THE ACTUAL TRUTH is one of two things
1. He's a liar and he fabricated this for attention or something. The consequences of that would be...pretty much nothing. Oops, I would've accidentally believed something not true on the internet and it would've had...literally...zero effect on my life
OR
2. He's actually telling the truth, in which case littering the site with references to something specific, like the name of the celebrity she resembles, that would make it a lot more likely for her to find him...that might result in him getting harassed or stalked...or stabbed in the fucking trachea and having his skin made into a lampshade by some psycho lady.
Yeah, imma pick number 1 because I'm not a fucking DICK, and im not gonna potentially put someone in danger or an unpleasant dramatic situation just because they could, theoretically be lying. I know you think he's evil and full of shit or something, but he doesn't really strike me as a liar. And if you're wrong, and he is telling the truth, then all your spammings saying *celebrity name* over & over were a real dick move.
Plus, I do personally empathize. I had someone on this website, because i called them "a dumbfuck retard" try to mine my IP so they could fucking find out my HOME addres and then post a bunch of cryptic comments about how, when someone crosses them, they always get their revenge eventually. Oh and they also posted about purchasing illegal, unliscenced firearms...like fuck. That story is super dramatic. That 100% happened & i have screenshots of them talking about it in IIN chat that prove it. That shit is fucking actually scary. People stalking on line, stalking exes, harassment. It absolutely does happen, so blasting the name of what celebrity she looks like ALL over this thread just because you dislike someone is...ugh.
Oh & I did totally DID rip on you for making fun of him for saying his gf is hot. That, i will cop to 100%. I was absolutely mocking of you for that. I just thought it was a weird ass thing to take issue with. People are supposed to think their girlfriends are really hot, not give them grades of D MINUS like they're a smelly old porkchop...you know, like your buddy lloyd did to his gf.
I'll try to be short to lessen this down for both of us.
*Edit* Fuck! Every fucking time.
The Edit:
Look, we can let bygones be bygones here but I did see you gossiping with S.W exclusively about my angle here and my angle in a separate conversation we had elsewhere. Obviously I'm a big boy and can handle insults but being asked to be respectful as if I'm not yet being maliciously talked about after the fact by the person asking me to be respectful slightly irked me, but bygones and whatnot.
1 (Respect).
Let me put it this way. I don't know much about ancient Egypt so I assumed slaves were also used to build cities and housing. Weren't pyramids also built with blocks and not slabs, wouldn't it be easier to transport blocks? I wasn't sure if it had been discovered yet how they even made the pyramids. Point being, I didn't know and I even said to S.W that this could be an analogy that does represent Lloyd and that S.W was right. So I assumed that maybe in (((Lloyd's mind))) his analogy was in regards to something that I also assumed slaves were used for or maybe not, so I done what S.W should of done and just talked to him to find out and the in-depth answer Lloyd gave to me runs counter to the analogy that is being cemented as his views. I outright told S.W this and he tossed it aside so he can continue with the shallow "BUT SLAVERY BAD!" approach despite me giving him a way to move past that, which to me demonstrated an intent to shame Lloyd and not talk with Lloyd on the topic. Lloyd could of well made a mistake and S.W would not let him recover from it to correct himself so they can talk.
2 (Hypotheticals).
The mantra of the hypothetical was to cement that A and B were the only two choices. You're saying I have to ensure that every possible avenue to deviate from that choice must be eliminated, which is next to impossible, especially when the idea of the many just having a suicide pact was introduced by S.W. I asked him before the hypothetical bluntly if the few can be enslaved for the many and he wouldn't answer, I then foolishly tried to make this easier for him by offering a hypothetical not realizing that it wasn't that he couldn't understand the question but that he was intentionally refusing to answer so he then made the hypothetical/unimportant scenario the main focus because then he can justify not answering the question it was facilitating when I blatantly asked it, which you claim WAS a good question but was devolved, and that was due to him.
The interesting part is that you actually agree with my position here but I understand you're working with limited info due to comments being deleted.
I didn't even say I've came to a conclusion on the subject, that's why I wanted to hear about it from everyone involved. I don't know if slavery is 100% wrong even in the hypothetical I made just to ask the question, maybe I do and maybe I don't under certain circumstances but I was of the opinion at that point and still now due to not being able to have the conversation that there are arguments from both sides, meanwhile S.W was just trying to be a shithead and decide he was right and anyone that deviates from his perspective is a piece of shit even though you yourself just admitted it was a good question to talk about.
I agree it was "fucking ridiculous", that's the point. Every time I've talked to S.W I've offered perfectly reasonable approaches and he (((Intentionally))) latches on to irrelevant aspects to derail the entire conversation to ensure he doesn't have to commit to a position on the topic because he works primarily outside of direct communication as he can spin bullshit that way under the cover of vagaries, and I have this habit I'm trying to kick where I feel the need to demonstrate someone who is being bad faith as being bad faith so that they know it doesn't go unnoticed. I'm trying to work on that bad habit by simply accepting that when it comes down to it, most of the time but not all, I know what I'm talking about. You said it yourself, the original question was fine, yet here we are because some asshat with delusions of grandeur jerked off on the screen...And due to my Spiderman joke about him earlier that just gave me a real bad mental image.
3 (His Ex)
To be honest you didn't have to, it wasn't that big of a deal other than a look into the egoism clear on display that he could go on like that for 8 paragraphs.
No, sorry but I deny your representation on this. An ad hom, as you know, is attacking the person and not the argument, and I never ad hom because it's obvious to point out. I address arguments AND insult the person. With that in mind I have not ad hommed him, and I've told you already that I wasn't the one that derailed the conversation on the matter. My comment in regards to his ex was about 5% of my comment and his reply was primarily about that small snippet at the end of my comment. That's on him, I told you this already.
The #1 and #2 choice is a fair assessment and is exactly the same two options I took as being the most likely cases, and I fully believe I done enough to determine an answer.
1. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters, ofcourse it doesn't, neither does this. I just find the preachy lying for attentions shit annoying, especially when it takes up 50% of my screen over something as mundane as "I find a celebrity hot". I'm all for masturbation but I don't want to watch.
2. Exactly. Fucking exactly. This woman is apparently some obsessive ex that he needs to hide from so he's set the stage that she's dangerous to some capacity in order to justify deleting the original post he offered without admitting to being a cringe bitch on some mundane shit. Now imagine those are the stakes raised and that's the reason why he ensured info couldn't be seen by this woman by any means...Now imagine after that reason being given (((HE))) then derails some online philosophy chitter chatter to turn the conversation solely on to that subject he claimed to be trying to hide...Imagine he then offers (((MORE))) information for this psycho ex to use to win an unimportant internet argument, and then only realizing his actions contradict his words when (((I))) point out that he's full of shit because he's risking this woman finding him out over some mundane argument with an internet rando on the very topic he claims to be trying to hide to which he then claims, "Oh, uh! Well I'll have to delete the comments then!" which is an absolute cop-out because if it is as bad as he claimed then putting those comments up in the first place would be a risk in itself just to have this mundane argument with an internet rando. So I decide to press the matter a little more and say, "Yo dude, I don't like you. I might broadcast this information so even if you delete these comments the fact you said them to begin with puts you at risk", he then offers even (((MORE))) information after me saying that just to argue a point, so obviously this "psycho ex" story either is completely false or widely exaggerated, #1 isn't even an option after that point.
Then turns around, cock in hand, going, "I'm so many steps ahead of you! I fell for your bait, AS INTENTED!...Plz delete comments and be nice to me."
Disclaimer: No, I wouldn't use this information to appeal to some woman I don't believe is using this site, infact I'd imagine S.W would feel pretty proud of himself if he thought he fooled me with his story enough for me to do that, probably get a good wee chuckle from it. Plus, ya'know, I'm lazy.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, I agree. This was just me seeing a fake bleeding heart douche online as one always pops up after a certain period of time and shooting the shit. That said, I was painfully unaware that he lacked the shame to do anything but double down which then ate at my time because of my shitty habit of knowing when I'm right but having to make the person I'm talking to know I'm right instead of just being content with knowing I'm right, so I blocked him because I know it'll just go on and on with this topic and the next, and the next, and the next because the fucker likes to talk but doesn't say anything. Again, if he can hold the opinion that he's so ubber smart and so many steps ahead but he lands in a position where he's at my mercy and begs me to delete my comments then there is no reasonable expectation I can have for such a person to be aware of their shortcomings.
So you can pick #1 but as I've explained it to you now and earlier and if you still believe #1 over #2 after the fact then you're going to have to excuse me believing it's your bias because if I've made you aware that he was the one that turned this conversation into his ex, even though he claimed it's dangerous for him and then you're trying to represent it as (((ME))) that turned it into a conversation about his ex, then there just isn't another explanation here. He gave more information this woman could use in our discussion than I could have ever done and it took me telling him this to delete his comments but even then he offered more info on it because it's a bullshit story to cover up that he posted cringe once because he's too up h is own ass to just say, "Yeah, that was cringe. Gotta delete it", infact the very fact that he didn't take that approach and instead made me aware this woman was stalking him would of just highlighted his identity even more, but he wanted to avoid being looked at like a douche...Meh.
Will I fault you for wanting to pick #1 for your friend? No. Maybe you think the chance of being a dick to your friend outweighs the chance your friend is taking you for a fool but I'm the reverse and I've given plenty of reason to show why it's reasonable to come to my conclusion. Won't fault you for backing your buddy, it's what friends are for.
I've had an IRL stalker. Not fun, doesn't sound as bad as yours though. I would give you the benefit of the doubt that you've experienced what you've said but that S.W guy? No chance.
Ok, I need a question real quick answered. Are you talking about this with S.W elsewhere? Actually irrelevant because I've already told you this. Not once did I take issue with him having a hot girlfriend, I don't where the fuck you got that from but I'm assume S.W told you that? People have hot girlfriends, the fuck would I take issue with that for? My issue was the bleeding heart sentiment he was giving out that "Jennifer.L would be so lucky to be viewed as attractive as I view someone I love in my heart!" for eight paragraphs, he wasn't even alluding to his view of their beauty being physical appearance...So why in the hell are you ripping on me for something I didn't even do, especially after I've told you specifically that I haven't taken an issue with it?
Don't be too hard on him, Countess; he was able to figure out the truth about me. The truth is... I'm Spider-Man. I'm sorry I didn't tell you before. I hope you all can forgive me, although I'm sure many knew or at least expected I was Spider-Man, for obvious reasons.
That spider gave me unfair abilities on that fateful day. Everyone already knows about the webbing and the strength and the... speed? Yeah Spider-Man is fast right? I mean, uhm, yeah I'm Spider-Man, and besides all that known stuff, I have warlock-like abilities regarding persuasion.
This is how I was able to convince you of something as absurd as vanity monuments (of all things, right?) being the reason for 10-ton stones being hauled across the desert via slavery under the orders of the Pharoah.
Obviously no one would jump to such a bizarre conclusion without my enviable powers molding their minds like clay. It wasn't an insult to your intelligence, but due and fearful respect of my formidable abilities... as Spider-Man.
*Webs away (egomaniacally)*
(Seriously though, about how scattered it is now, I'm almost not even worried about you-know-what regarding this post now. It's so hard to find any fucking thing in this clusterfuck now and I don't see anyone digging this far in this mess rather than looking at new posts unless something already directed them this way.)
why are you atheist? why are you theist?
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It's fine if you want to rip on me. Tbh the original conversation has been pivoted away so much that I'm surprised I'm still even responding even after knowing I can't actually expect the original conversation to go back on track. If I'm short here it's just to save space and time, I'm not being sassy if I say I agree with you or accept what you say as fair.
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- Makes sense.
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- That may be fair but I actually approached him in good faith to this argument and he initiated the condescending and insulting comments. I even tried to help him on a point to bring them both on the same page to see where they could actually disagree genuinely.
- He is a douchebag in my eyes. Did you read his comments where he has like 3 lines of relevant response and then 6 lines of comments referring to himself as shit like a giant black widow spinning it's webs like he's auditioning to play some live action Naruto villain type shit and then goes into gaslighting using subjects of addictions just to shame someone and making that their main go-to? I won't pretend to know you personally due to this being online and all but no way would you of not seen that as cringy bullshit from an egomaniac.
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- Lloyd might of made that analogy, I even claimed that might of been the case to S.W when I wasn't arguing with him. That said, Lloyd also made other comments that would imply that it's entirely possible for his analogy to be a misguided one that doesn't actually represent his views. Noticing this I inform S.W of this and he just passes it off as not even existing so I do the leg work and once I get down to it, despite S.W saying the opposite, Lloyd in far more depth explains that he does not believe slavery is justified nor moral, albeit for multiple and sometimes separate reasons. I've said this time and time to S.W and all I get in response is, "But he said he wants them to build monuments! That's what he said!" and I have to keep coming back to the fact that it isn't the only thing Lloyd said, infact it's a very small portion of what he said.
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- I haven't thought on the topic of if it's more moral to enslave a few for the many or to let the many die for the freedom of the few, I wanted to have that conversation to explore it but now I can't because it turned out the people I assumed were looking to have that conversation, or atleast one of them, were only doing it to knock the other and not actually discuss the topic.
- I mean if I really wanted to be an asshole I could do the same type of thing that's been done to me and Lloyd here and just throw out a, "Wow, wait...You know prisoners actually fall under the definition of slave? Wait, you think rapists should be able to go free? Why do you want women to be raped? Your principles aren't realistic! Make a perfect scenario where prisoners go free without hurting anyone otherwise you support slavery!" But it's gross to do that shit and I can fill in the blanks myself, and I just feel that courtesy is one sided.
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- Holding the past accountable is fine so long as we do it with the understanding that not every wrong doing was with the knowledge of it being wrong-doing and served a purpose, but then again I'm sure Hitler thought the same with your holocaust example, but then again we can't paint all things we learned from as having no reasoning behind them while other ones, like the holocaust, clearly have nothing to consider. It's a more complicated topic than I think we should get into here.
- That said, how would this work alongside the fact S.W stated that while we can judge the past that the future can't judge us or that it wouldn't be reasonable for them to do so even if they learn from our mistakes?
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- Ofcourse I don't think slavery is ok but neither did Lloyd when I asked him and people are still saying he thinks it's ok. I just wanted to join a discussion about using slavery to meet necessary bigger picture ends and bounce some ideas but he wouldn't do that though wouldn't stop running his mouth.
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- Nah. For example I don't think you're a virtue signaller as far as I'm aware of but when he is going the "Slavery is not ok, bigot!" spiel and then the dude he's saying that to is like, "Yeah...I know?" and he just repeats, "BUT SLAVERY IS NOT OK, BIGOT!" then yeah, that's performative because he knows there's a disconnect there but he also knows he can use Lloyd as a stepping stone to stand above everyone else and say, "I DISAGREE WITH SLAVERY!" and the crowd throws cookies over such a brave sentiment that nobody disagreed with him on. Then there was the Jennifer.L post. Holy fuck, that was just filled with egoism but the story he spun after it made it even worse. He was too beyond simply admitting something as mundane as being cringy and made this big story arch to avoid it. Then ofcourse there's the outright delusions of grandeur that I mentioned above, fuckin' spider manning it up.
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- Yes, I like to expose when people don't live up to their own standards when they're trying to force others to live up to them or shame others for not living up to them. Nobody is perfect but that doesn't mean I won't take issue with people pretending they are perfect as they attack someone else for not being perfect.
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- Ok, I'll be clear here, dude. I barely even referenced it with less than a line, a snippet with barely any relevant information this "ex" could use and he took that as a way to turn the vast majority of his response into making the subject about that half a line of text. I'm sorry but at that point I refuse to accept this representation that I turned the talk into it when it was him that blew the topic up.
- I'll also say this. I don't for a second believe the story of his ex potentially being on this site exists, I think it was a made up story to cover up his easily bruised ego, and if you were in my shoes watching this dude going, "Don't say nothing! She might be hearing! But anyway, here's my credit card number, date of birth, my first pet's name, and what I like to do on Saturday nights" then you'd think the same.
- Ohohoho, no, no. People have hot girlfriends and I don't why you'd assume that was what my issue with him was. The post was one big jerk-off. The dude made, I shit you not, like an eight paragraph post about how any girl he's with is automatically the prettiest woman alive because he looks at their character and because he loves them and adores them, and all that mushy cliche shit for eight paragraphs. I didn't even think such a thing would be possible and maybe there would be contexts for it but on a damn post about someone finding a celebrity pretty? I simple responded, "Jesus Chriiiiiist, dude" and he then tried to say that was me trying to warn him and be chummy with him claiming it to be positive exchange I was making with him because there was too much information an ex of his could use, even though he never once referenced some ex stalking him on this site or potentially being able to for me to warn him about. I was just so dumbfounded I responded, "I'te".
- It's shit like that which makes me think he's doing this performative shit.
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- Lloyd might be, I don't know. You know full well I've probably done the most on this site to demonstrate that I'm not looking for friendships.
This might be a jumbled mess but I can't be assed reading through it all before sending it like I usually do. If I've missed something you want answered lemme know. The numbers are mainly to help me out here. Lol.
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*Throws smoke bomb*
BLAM.
*Ninja run*
*Webs for the high ground*
*Observes (narcissistically)*
"--he then tried to say that was me trying to warn him and be chummy with him--"
*Webs up and discards BS*
I already made it clear that I didn't think you were _trying_ to be positive. That's ridiculous. You hate me. I just said it ended up _being_ positive, which you hated because you wouldn't piss on me to put a fire out. I wouldn't have expected you to do anything less than act like a POS.
Look, I'm going to level with you since the cat's out of the bag and it was already pretty obvious to everyone else... I'm... I'm Spider-Man, ItDuz. I couldn't have my ex find out which user I am because she would have inevitably told you all that I'm Spider-Man. But I've decided this site might finally be the perfect medium for me to communicate with the world.
*Has a sip of egomaniac flavored Monster energy drink*
Look, dude. First of all, I definitely didn't forshadowingly comment "this is what I do" a few months ago on your comment saying you think it's amusing to detect negative perceptions that someone else has and amplify them to the point of absurdity. No. This is the point we're at now. I'm fucking Spider-Man. Drop comments and suggestions below for how I can better protect the city with my inhuman abilities.
Or wait. Here's another one. I'm like Dexter, you know, the serial killer who only kills serial killers. I'm that but with with narcissism. My father could tell something was wrong with me early on and trained me to be a good person, to only use my narcissistic powers to utterly infuriate thinly veiled narcissists on internet forums. Oh, how the beatings were long and brutal. He didn't even use the phonebook; he used encyclopedias. But it's thanks to him that I'm here today to... ugh... fuck it.
Nah. I'm going to run with Spider-Man.
*Webs away (performatively)*
Listen, I'm not gonna respond to all of your points because, I agree, that this post has gotten incredibly off topic, and while i understand what you're saying, responding bit by bit will literally send me off onto 5 tangents about the importance of german history, my thoughts on prison reform, and a bunch of bullshit regarding the philosophy of moral relativism, and you don't want to read all that shit because it will ultimately just be a giant expansion on my same original points, which i still stand by.
I will say this, though. I understand that you find him to be disingenuous and performative, but I'm super surprised you're blocking him...ever since i started visiting this site, the only thing I've ever seen you use it for was to engage in debates with people you disagree with. It's literally what you do here, so I'm surprised you are noping out of the chance to engage with someone who is on the opposite side of the spectrum. Also, it's entertaining, so boo shitduz
And one other thing, this is an aside. You've made a few comments on this thread (which I now can't find because everything is scattered all over the place) expressing your opinion that this user has duped me, manipulated me, tricked me somehow into buying his bullshit? That's so fucking condescending. Don't fucking insult my intelligence. I'm perfectly capable of critical thought and perfectly able to form my own opinion independently. I don't agree with everything he says, and I would have no problem expressing that if I felt like it. I doubt he would either. But the idea that he pulled a big one over on me and somehow manipulated me into...what...agreeing with him about some shit on the internet. That's insulting, dude.
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That's alright, it is getting quite long. I wouldn't of minded reading those points on the topic to have the original conversation but the waters are too muddied now to have it here. Some other time.
Maybe old school ItDuz would of foolishly thought it was a fight worth having but I like to think I know when someone doesn't have the capacity for debate nowadays. He has lied, used fallacies, often uses vagaries to avoid committing to answers, is gaslighty as all hell, and he will come to me, cock in hand, and tell me that he is oh so many steps ahead but at the same time tells me that he's essentially at my mercy due to the conversation and then begs me to take down what I said? I can't argue with someone that can admit they're wrong but still thinks they're correct. "I fell for your bait...AS PLANNED, DUMBASS!"
I blocked him because he can't debate the topics and will drive away the original discussion just to avoid committing to a point, not because he has an opposite view. Maybe it should be an eyebrow raiser that I went through years of arguments with people such as yourself but still didn't block them yet have happily blocked him. Meh, doesn't matter now.
Look, I'll be blunt on this one so I'm not wasting time bullshitting about. Do I think that he's got you wrapped around his little finger like a lost puppy? No, ofcourse not, he doesn't have the capacity for that either. Do I think you are being far too charitable with him and accepting this retarded story he's conjured just to avoid himself being embarrassed over some mundane shit? Yes. Maybe it's just a bias as I assume you two are friendly with one another, I dunno.
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I also don't appreciate that you're asking me to come to you with a level of respect as to not insult you by being condescending which wasn't my intent yet you have been gossiping like school children to blatantly insult me metaphorically behind my back. If you're going to ignore what I've said so you can use a bastardized representation of what has happened to mock me then that's fine but don't turn around and try to vilify me for a lack of respect after it, especially not when I've corrected the bastardized representation of what happened to you and you've chosen not to engage with it but to instead continue to use the bastardized representation to represent me elsewhere, because then it is all bullshit.
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AND I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SUCKERED ME INTO MAKING A LONG COMMENT. STOP. I'm too lazy for this shit, dude.
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You think that's bad? I had to send mine in the morning with no caffeinated coffee, YOU DON'T KNOW PAIN!
Let me address your edit first.
You have interacted with me enough to know that, if I want to be a fucking asshole to you, I will unapologetically be an asshole to you. If I wanted to tell you that you are a stupid, awful person, I would literally just reply to you, "you're an awful, morally bankrupt retard, shitduz," as evidenced by the fact that I have repeatedly said, point blank, that Lloyd motherfucking Asher is a piece of garbage who deserves to be violently yeeted into an active volcano. I have also said that directly to lloyd trasher, so I wasn't just talking shit behind his proverbial internet back (and it was promptly moderated for being abusive lol).
If you can seperate your personal opinions and your complete annoyance with SW from this thread for a moment, and think about reading it as a 3rd party. It is absolutely fucking absurd. It is ridiculous and so fucking hilarious and it devolved into a complete fucking shitshow. That's what I'm making fun of.
I am going to mock the ever loving shit out of this godforsaken thread. It's fucking insane. Do not conflate my making fun of this thread with me making fun of your character or even the original, INTENDED topic of discussion, which was SUPPOSED to be: can you justify an immoral act if it serves the greater good and can you justify sacrificing the few for the good of the many? (Normal question btw; it's often broached in college ethics classes).
The manner in which this thread just devolved into jibberish is on both of you, because you both had such egregiously different goal posts so it just turned into hilarious nonsense. There were points at which you were both arguing against shit the other person never even said. I was specifically laughing at (and mocking):
1. The outright stubborn refusal to concede that the Pharoah having slaves haul stone slabs through the desert was a reference to the pyramids. Ok, first of all it's funny because it's not particularly central to the issue being discussed, only insofar as it's a ridiculous example of something that's actually necessary to survival, but also because it should be blatantly fucking obvious what lloyd is saying here, but it became a HUGE point of contention for no fucking reason. And to make it even MORE hilarious, at some juncture, the pyramids were referred to as 'huge fuck off vanity monuments', which was kinda funny to begin with, but then it kept being repeated over and over by everyone, which was making me die laughing because it was nestled in paragraphs of serious debate, moral dilemmas then quote huge fucking fuck of vanity monuments with huge fuck off blocks...it was just so tourettes tick, out of place, just RIDICULOUS
2. The hypothetical. I understand the point of creating a hypothetical scenario to crystallize what someone's true stance would be. People use that technique in ethics debates all the time; "the train dilemma/the trolley problem" is a really popular example. So I get the intent.
That fucking devolved into an absolute FUCKING shitshow.
You gave SW a choice between
A. sacrifice a few people to save the many
and
B. Let everyone die
Well he fucking said nah, fuck both of those choices, I CHOOSE C. And because of that, the scenario kept getting retroactively adjusted to try and eliminate C as a possibility, but then he kept coming up with additions to the scenario that made C a possible choice again
And then it just devolved into a hilarious fucking disaster where everyone began to independently adjust the narrative until it became complete fucking nonsense. So now there's not just slaves and slaveholders, now there's bamboo merchants and bamboo consumers, and now there's 100 people on a desert fucking island, and now there's 10 people off a desert island and they're the only ones in this metaverse who know how to build fucking boats, and now wigz (bless her for trying to make SW's point of view more clear in a nice way- you shouldn't get pissy with her, she was just trying to help clarify) wants to know if the slaves get a boat ride too or something...
It was just a nonsensical shitshow hahahahaha. I'm surprised there wasn't suddenly a mutant guy, born with small boats instead of hands, who couldn't build anything because he had no opposable thumbs, because his hands were just boats, who just started bludgeoning people with his boat hands, just whaling on them until they submitted and built him a boat.
At the point where a fictitious hypothetical situation starts to devolve into a weird creative narrative with a ton of weird caveats, it just ceases to have ANY fucking meaning...I mean you could make up a fucking insane story to justify ANYTHING...like
Guy 1: do you think it's ok to kick dogs?
Guy 2: no way, dude. That's fucked up
Guy 1: but, like, what if Hitler showed up with a school bus full of kidnapped kids, then chopped one of their heads off with a chainsaw right in front of you and then threatened to off all of the rest of the kids after molesting them, then nuke New Zeland. But he promised not to do it if you kicked his dog? Would you do it then?
Guy 2: yeah, I guess. You're really fucking baked, aren't you, dude?
Guy 1: so you agree that kicking dogs is OK sometimes? Because you just said YOU WOULD TOTALLY KICK A DOG
Guy 2: what??? No dude. That's fucked up.
Since there is no fucking Hitler chainsaw bus, and there never will be, the hypothetical no longer translates to an actual moral stance. See, at some point, the REAL question you guys were debating, which WAS a good question...it just devolved into more and more absurd potential scenarios and then it went completely off the rails, so far off the rails that no one's questions got answered.
All of this could have been summed up in two sentences.
SW: slavery is always wrong, no exceptions ever
Shitduz: meh, I don't believe in moral absolutes. It really is wrong most of the time, but I think there's certain situations where it's a necessary evil
DONE...
That's what I'm mocking. Your original question was fine, man, but you both set eachother off so much that you ended up in an alternate dimension, and what you ended up talking about to try to explain your stance was patently fucking ridiculous. I think you can see the humor in it if you don't take it as a personal knock to your intelligence.
As for this GF shit.
I, once again, did not read the original comment. Didn't see it. Don't care that much. Maybe he said her eyes glisten like early morning dew drops in a field of flowers and it was super mofuckin cringy. Maybe it wasn't and you just think he's cringy already, so you saw it that way. I literally don't...FUCKING... care about ANY OF IT. NOT. ONE. FUCKING. DICK. HAIR.
It was brought up, by me, because you kept railing him for ad hominems and then you go and make a metric fuckload of comments absolutely bashing his character & telling him you found him untrustworthy, and found his comments made during your debate therefore untrustworthy because of his cringy gf comment/supposed lie. Like, c'mon. Literally the definition of an ad hominem. (I personally LOVE, LOVE using ad hominems, myself. always have, always will. I think they're legit, not a 'logical fallacy,' but if you're gonna tell other people they can't ad hom you, then maybe quit doing it yourself).
As far as me believing him??
I for sure am friendly with him, he's a site homey, but that has nothing to do with anything. I like him, but I don't know him on a deep, intimate level, so it's not a matter of me having some type of profound, unshakable TRUST in him. I literally have no way of knowing if he's lying. He could be you in a fugue state talking to yourself for all I know.
I am literally just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
One, because he hasn't given me any reason at all to assume he's a disingenuous person, and two, because THE ACTUAL TRUTH is one of two things
1. He's a liar and he fabricated this for attention or something. The consequences of that would be...pretty much nothing. Oops, I would've accidentally believed something not true on the internet and it would've had...literally...zero effect on my life
OR
2. He's actually telling the truth, in which case littering the site with references to something specific, like the name of the celebrity she resembles, that would make it a lot more likely for her to find him...that might result in him getting harassed or stalked...or stabbed in the fucking trachea and having his skin made into a lampshade by some psycho lady.
Yeah, imma pick number 1 because I'm not a fucking DICK, and im not gonna potentially put someone in danger or an unpleasant dramatic situation just because they could, theoretically be lying. I know you think he's evil and full of shit or something, but he doesn't really strike me as a liar. And if you're wrong, and he is telling the truth, then all your spammings saying *celebrity name* over & over were a real dick move.
Plus, I do personally empathize. I had someone on this website, because i called them "a dumbfuck retard" try to mine my IP so they could fucking find out my HOME addres and then post a bunch of cryptic comments about how, when someone crosses them, they always get their revenge eventually. Oh and they also posted about purchasing illegal, unliscenced firearms...like fuck. That story is super dramatic. That 100% happened & i have screenshots of them talking about it in IIN chat that prove it. That shit is fucking actually scary. People stalking on line, stalking exes, harassment. It absolutely does happen, so blasting the name of what celebrity she looks like ALL over this thread just because you dislike someone is...ugh.
Oh & I did totally DID rip on you for making fun of him for saying his gf is hot. That, i will cop to 100%. I was absolutely mocking of you for that. I just thought it was a weird ass thing to take issue with. People are supposed to think their girlfriends are really hot, not give them grades of D MINUS like they're a smelly old porkchop...you know, like your buddy lloyd did to his gf.
Into the volcano! YEET!
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I'll try to be short to lessen this down for both of us.
*Edit* Fuck! Every fucking time.
The Edit:
Look, we can let bygones be bygones here but I did see you gossiping with S.W exclusively about my angle here and my angle in a separate conversation we had elsewhere. Obviously I'm a big boy and can handle insults but being asked to be respectful as if I'm not yet being maliciously talked about after the fact by the person asking me to be respectful slightly irked me, but bygones and whatnot.
1 (Respect).
Let me put it this way. I don't know much about ancient Egypt so I assumed slaves were also used to build cities and housing. Weren't pyramids also built with blocks and not slabs, wouldn't it be easier to transport blocks? I wasn't sure if it had been discovered yet how they even made the pyramids. Point being, I didn't know and I even said to S.W that this could be an analogy that does represent Lloyd and that S.W was right. So I assumed that maybe in (((Lloyd's mind))) his analogy was in regards to something that I also assumed slaves were used for or maybe not, so I done what S.W should of done and just talked to him to find out and the in-depth answer Lloyd gave to me runs counter to the analogy that is being cemented as his views. I outright told S.W this and he tossed it aside so he can continue with the shallow "BUT SLAVERY BAD!" approach despite me giving him a way to move past that, which to me demonstrated an intent to shame Lloyd and not talk with Lloyd on the topic. Lloyd could of well made a mistake and S.W would not let him recover from it to correct himself so they can talk.
2 (Hypotheticals).
The mantra of the hypothetical was to cement that A and B were the only two choices. You're saying I have to ensure that every possible avenue to deviate from that choice must be eliminated, which is next to impossible, especially when the idea of the many just having a suicide pact was introduced by S.W. I asked him before the hypothetical bluntly if the few can be enslaved for the many and he wouldn't answer, I then foolishly tried to make this easier for him by offering a hypothetical not realizing that it wasn't that he couldn't understand the question but that he was intentionally refusing to answer so he then made the hypothetical/unimportant scenario the main focus because then he can justify not answering the question it was facilitating when I blatantly asked it, which you claim WAS a good question but was devolved, and that was due to him.
The interesting part is that you actually agree with my position here but I understand you're working with limited info due to comments being deleted.
I didn't even say I've came to a conclusion on the subject, that's why I wanted to hear about it from everyone involved. I don't know if slavery is 100% wrong even in the hypothetical I made just to ask the question, maybe I do and maybe I don't under certain circumstances but I was of the opinion at that point and still now due to not being able to have the conversation that there are arguments from both sides, meanwhile S.W was just trying to be a shithead and decide he was right and anyone that deviates from his perspective is a piece of shit even though you yourself just admitted it was a good question to talk about.
I agree it was "fucking ridiculous", that's the point. Every time I've talked to S.W I've offered perfectly reasonable approaches and he (((Intentionally))) latches on to irrelevant aspects to derail the entire conversation to ensure he doesn't have to commit to a position on the topic because he works primarily outside of direct communication as he can spin bullshit that way under the cover of vagaries, and I have this habit I'm trying to kick where I feel the need to demonstrate someone who is being bad faith as being bad faith so that they know it doesn't go unnoticed. I'm trying to work on that bad habit by simply accepting that when it comes down to it, most of the time but not all, I know what I'm talking about. You said it yourself, the original question was fine, yet here we are because some asshat with delusions of grandeur jerked off on the screen...And due to my Spiderman joke about him earlier that just gave me a real bad mental image.
3 (His Ex)
To be honest you didn't have to, it wasn't that big of a deal other than a look into the egoism clear on display that he could go on like that for 8 paragraphs.
No, sorry but I deny your representation on this. An ad hom, as you know, is attacking the person and not the argument, and I never ad hom because it's obvious to point out. I address arguments AND insult the person. With that in mind I have not ad hommed him, and I've told you already that I wasn't the one that derailed the conversation on the matter. My comment in regards to his ex was about 5% of my comment and his reply was primarily about that small snippet at the end of my comment. That's on him, I told you this already.
The #1 and #2 choice is a fair assessment and is exactly the same two options I took as being the most likely cases, and I fully believe I done enough to determine an answer.
1. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters, ofcourse it doesn't, neither does this. I just find the preachy lying for attentions shit annoying, especially when it takes up 50% of my screen over something as mundane as "I find a celebrity hot". I'm all for masturbation but I don't want to watch.
2. Exactly. Fucking exactly. This woman is apparently some obsessive ex that he needs to hide from so he's set the stage that she's dangerous to some capacity in order to justify deleting the original post he offered without admitting to being a cringe bitch on some mundane shit. Now imagine those are the stakes raised and that's the reason why he ensured info couldn't be seen by this woman by any means...Now imagine after that reason being given (((HE))) then derails some online philosophy chitter chatter to turn the conversation solely on to that subject he claimed to be trying to hide...Imagine he then offers (((MORE))) information for this psycho ex to use to win an unimportant internet argument, and then only realizing his actions contradict his words when (((I))) point out that he's full of shit because he's risking this woman finding him out over some mundane argument with an internet rando on the very topic he claims to be trying to hide to which he then claims, "Oh, uh! Well I'll have to delete the comments then!" which is an absolute cop-out because if it is as bad as he claimed then putting those comments up in the first place would be a risk in itself just to have this mundane argument with an internet rando. So I decide to press the matter a little more and say, "Yo dude, I don't like you. I might broadcast this information so even if you delete these comments the fact you said them to begin with puts you at risk", he then offers even (((MORE))) information after me saying that just to argue a point, so obviously this "psycho ex" story either is completely false or widely exaggerated, #1 isn't even an option after that point.
Then turns around, cock in hand, going, "I'm so many steps ahead of you! I fell for your bait, AS INTENTED!...Plz delete comments and be nice to me."
Disclaimer: No, I wouldn't use this information to appeal to some woman I don't believe is using this site, infact I'd imagine S.W would feel pretty proud of himself if he thought he fooled me with his story enough for me to do that, probably get a good wee chuckle from it. Plus, ya'know, I'm lazy.
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, I agree. This was just me seeing a fake bleeding heart douche online as one always pops up after a certain period of time and shooting the shit. That said, I was painfully unaware that he lacked the shame to do anything but double down which then ate at my time because of my shitty habit of knowing when I'm right but having to make the person I'm talking to know I'm right instead of just being content with knowing I'm right, so I blocked him because I know it'll just go on and on with this topic and the next, and the next, and the next because the fucker likes to talk but doesn't say anything. Again, if he can hold the opinion that he's so ubber smart and so many steps ahead but he lands in a position where he's at my mercy and begs me to delete my comments then there is no reasonable expectation I can have for such a person to be aware of their shortcomings.
So you can pick #1 but as I've explained it to you now and earlier and if you still believe #1 over #2 after the fact then you're going to have to excuse me believing it's your bias because if I've made you aware that he was the one that turned this conversation into his ex, even though he claimed it's dangerous for him and then you're trying to represent it as (((ME))) that turned it into a conversation about his ex, then there just isn't another explanation here. He gave more information this woman could use in our discussion than I could have ever done and it took me telling him this to delete his comments but even then he offered more info on it because it's a bullshit story to cover up that he posted cringe once because he's too up h is own ass to just say, "Yeah, that was cringe. Gotta delete it", infact the very fact that he didn't take that approach and instead made me aware this woman was stalking him would of just highlighted his identity even more, but he wanted to avoid being looked at like a douche...Meh.
Will I fault you for wanting to pick #1 for your friend? No. Maybe you think the chance of being a dick to your friend outweighs the chance your friend is taking you for a fool but I'm the reverse and I've given plenty of reason to show why it's reasonable to come to my conclusion. Won't fault you for backing your buddy, it's what friends are for.
I've had an IRL stalker. Not fun, doesn't sound as bad as yours though. I would give you the benefit of the doubt that you've experienced what you've said but that S.W guy? No chance.
Ok, I need a question real quick answered. Are you talking about this with S.W elsewhere? Actually irrelevant because I've already told you this. Not once did I take issue with him having a hot girlfriend, I don't where the fuck you got that from but I'm assume S.W told you that? People have hot girlfriends, the fuck would I take issue with that for? My issue was the bleeding heart sentiment he was giving out that "Jennifer.L would be so lucky to be viewed as attractive as I view someone I love in my heart!" for eight paragraphs, he wasn't even alluding to his view of their beauty being physical appearance...So why in the hell are you ripping on me for something I didn't even do, especially after I've told you specifically that I haven't taken an issue with it?
Don't be too hard on him, Countess; he was able to figure out the truth about me. The truth is... I'm Spider-Man. I'm sorry I didn't tell you before. I hope you all can forgive me, although I'm sure many knew or at least expected I was Spider-Man, for obvious reasons.
That spider gave me unfair abilities on that fateful day. Everyone already knows about the webbing and the strength and the... speed? Yeah Spider-Man is fast right? I mean, uhm, yeah I'm Spider-Man, and besides all that known stuff, I have warlock-like abilities regarding persuasion.
This is how I was able to convince you of something as absurd as vanity monuments (of all things, right?) being the reason for 10-ton stones being hauled across the desert via slavery under the orders of the Pharoah.
Obviously no one would jump to such a bizarre conclusion without my enviable powers molding their minds like clay. It wasn't an insult to your intelligence, but due and fearful respect of my formidable abilities... as Spider-Man.
*Webs away (egomaniacally)*
(Seriously though, about how scattered it is now, I'm almost not even worried about you-know-what regarding this post now. It's so hard to find any fucking thing in this clusterfuck now and I don't see anyone digging this far in this mess rather than looking at new posts unless something already directed them this way.)