it is of course a philosophical issue, but I tend to think that if there is discrimination towards some minority, this discrimination has a reason, therefore stopping it would be fighting against something natural.
oh well this is one of the reason SJWs annoy me, you cant just have a debate with real arguments, without calling each other names and banter: i am trying to honestly understand something right here, and if gay rights really mattered to you, you had an ideal chance to change my opinion. Yet, your gay ass brain told you that the best thing is to call me a piece of shit... and all it did was make me hate gays even more. way to go
I actually made reasonable post after reasonable post giving you fair arguments. I did not immediately resort to name calling, because that's something I don't like myself. "Homophobe/phobic" is just a popular buzzword used to shut people down instead of educating people, and I don't like when gays do that.
But instead of really considering what I was saying, you just decided to go back and forth with me and spew bigotry, so I repeat you are a bigoted piece of shit. And a very sad individual on top of that, considering you are far too interested in a topic that really shouldn't have anything to do with you, if you're straight.
Anyway this is my last reply to you now, you've already taken up too much of my time. Have a nice day. Peace.
Discrimination has a reason, yes. That reason is called stupidity and ignorance. And please don't EVER use the argument about what's "natural". Diseases are natural, yet we fight them. Computer chips aren't natural, yet our entire modern society depends on them.
Lets be honest here. Discrimination isn't a bad thing. We all discriminate. It is normal and natural. I discriminate against people. Not because of the color of their skin, sexual orientation or religion but more who they are, their personalities.
Some guys discriminate against gays because when they look at a gay male, they see someone just like them, a male, same genitals, same general make up. The difference is what is inside. They do not understand how someone like them could be attracted to someone like them and then they fear it could happen to them and that to them is a flaw. A flaw is a weakness, a weakness is not tolerable and can never be associated with.
So they punish, they punish with words and actions, they punish until you change, if you change, they will forgive and not punish you anymore, if not they will continue until you do.
And girls flock to us, they like hanging out with us, they want us as their GBF. To shop and hang out. They love us because we're male and they think we're just like them. Sometimes they prefer to hang out with us more than they're boyfriends and husbands, they get jealous and wonder why they would prefer the flawed weak males over them, the strong males.
But girls discriminate worse than guys, especially if playing a drunken game. I let a girl touch my dick, in front of her boyfriend, she wanted to see if I would get hard, which I didn't. I touched her, still didn't get aroused. She told me to touch her boyfriend, I said no, but he agreed to it, I did, he got hard. She got pissed and I lost a friend and she hates me to this day. Even though it was her idea and he went along with it, it was my fault. And she even caused me to lose a job because she told them I was gay--that was a few years ago when you could get fired for being gay--I also received hate email from her for a long time. They broke up and got back together and married him and moved to another state. I changed emails and got a new number. I stay away from girls who want me as their GBF because I never want this to happen again, unless they're single.
I feel your pain bro, I so much appreciate reasonable gays! Why aren't all the gays like you, normal people on the outside, do whatever you want at home in your bedroom... And yes, women sometimes are bitches. I think on this matter you are lucky to be gay cause you won't have to spend your whole life with a female :) I honestly hope you find another reasonable gay like you and have gay sex with and a gay family (no banter, I am serious)
I was talking about natural behaviour, not science. And stupidity is not a reason for discrimination. At least, my point of view was that the reason for dicrimination comes from the discriminated one: and it might be as savage as it sounds, for being yourself. But if yourself is not approved by the majority, discrimination is the thing to follow up. Until some crazy loud women and gays come along and start fighting against this natural behaviour.
Even though you simplify, you are right for the most part. Though what you give is an explanation, not a justification. Saying that the reason for discrimination comes from the discriminated one is like saying that it's my fault for getting robbed because I have a lot of money. It may correlate, but it doesn't excuse the deed.
I like your reply, but I have an answer too. The reason for being robbed isn't for having too much money: the reason you got robbed is that you took those money out of your pocket, went on the street and started waving them around showing it to people who dont have money and robbers, shoving the money up their faces (equivalent to gay marriage, media promotion and minority privileges). And this is when you get robbed. I agree it was harsh back in the time. But if gays wouldntve behaved so camp, a woman like behaviour, and wouldnt try to turn straight men to the gay side, maybe nothing wouldntve happened. Anyway, you waved your money at people, now you are getting robbed.
So, pulling money out to pay for something is a valid reason for a person to go up and Rob them, simply because they don't have that money, and you do?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Validation for robbing people?
Why are gays accepted?
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I'm just glad you admit you're a bigoted piece of shit who justifies treating people unfairly.
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oh well this is one of the reason SJWs annoy me, you cant just have a debate with real arguments, without calling each other names and banter: i am trying to honestly understand something right here, and if gay rights really mattered to you, you had an ideal chance to change my opinion. Yet, your gay ass brain told you that the best thing is to call me a piece of shit... and all it did was make me hate gays even more. way to go
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I actually made reasonable post after reasonable post giving you fair arguments. I did not immediately resort to name calling, because that's something I don't like myself. "Homophobe/phobic" is just a popular buzzword used to shut people down instead of educating people, and I don't like when gays do that.
But instead of really considering what I was saying, you just decided to go back and forth with me and spew bigotry, so I repeat you are a bigoted piece of shit. And a very sad individual on top of that, considering you are far too interested in a topic that really shouldn't have anything to do with you, if you're straight.
Anyway this is my last reply to you now, you've already taken up too much of my time. Have a nice day. Peace.
Discrimination has a reason, yes. That reason is called stupidity and ignorance. And please don't EVER use the argument about what's "natural". Diseases are natural, yet we fight them. Computer chips aren't natural, yet our entire modern society depends on them.
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Lets be honest here. Discrimination isn't a bad thing. We all discriminate. It is normal and natural. I discriminate against people. Not because of the color of their skin, sexual orientation or religion but more who they are, their personalities.
Some guys discriminate against gays because when they look at a gay male, they see someone just like them, a male, same genitals, same general make up. The difference is what is inside. They do not understand how someone like them could be attracted to someone like them and then they fear it could happen to them and that to them is a flaw. A flaw is a weakness, a weakness is not tolerable and can never be associated with.
So they punish, they punish with words and actions, they punish until you change, if you change, they will forgive and not punish you anymore, if not they will continue until you do.
And girls flock to us, they like hanging out with us, they want us as their GBF. To shop and hang out. They love us because we're male and they think we're just like them. Sometimes they prefer to hang out with us more than they're boyfriends and husbands, they get jealous and wonder why they would prefer the flawed weak males over them, the strong males.
But girls discriminate worse than guys, especially if playing a drunken game. I let a girl touch my dick, in front of her boyfriend, she wanted to see if I would get hard, which I didn't. I touched her, still didn't get aroused. She told me to touch her boyfriend, I said no, but he agreed to it, I did, he got hard. She got pissed and I lost a friend and she hates me to this day. Even though it was her idea and he went along with it, it was my fault. And she even caused me to lose a job because she told them I was gay--that was a few years ago when you could get fired for being gay--I also received hate email from her for a long time. They broke up and got back together and married him and moved to another state. I changed emails and got a new number. I stay away from girls who want me as their GBF because I never want this to happen again, unless they're single.
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I feel your pain bro, I so much appreciate reasonable gays! Why aren't all the gays like you, normal people on the outside, do whatever you want at home in your bedroom... And yes, women sometimes are bitches. I think on this matter you are lucky to be gay cause you won't have to spend your whole life with a female :) I honestly hope you find another reasonable gay like you and have gay sex with and a gay family (no banter, I am serious)
I was talking about natural behaviour, not science. And stupidity is not a reason for discrimination. At least, my point of view was that the reason for dicrimination comes from the discriminated one: and it might be as savage as it sounds, for being yourself. But if yourself is not approved by the majority, discrimination is the thing to follow up. Until some crazy loud women and gays come along and start fighting against this natural behaviour.
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Even though you simplify, you are right for the most part. Though what you give is an explanation, not a justification. Saying that the reason for discrimination comes from the discriminated one is like saying that it's my fault for getting robbed because I have a lot of money. It may correlate, but it doesn't excuse the deed.
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I like your reply, but I have an answer too. The reason for being robbed isn't for having too much money: the reason you got robbed is that you took those money out of your pocket, went on the street and started waving them around showing it to people who dont have money and robbers, shoving the money up their faces (equivalent to gay marriage, media promotion and minority privileges). And this is when you get robbed. I agree it was harsh back in the time. But if gays wouldntve behaved so camp, a woman like behaviour, and wouldnt try to turn straight men to the gay side, maybe nothing wouldntve happened. Anyway, you waved your money at people, now you are getting robbed.
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So, you are saying that a person pulling out money to pay for something should be robbed?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
So, pulling money out to pay for something is a valid reason for a person to go up and Rob them, simply because they don't have that money, and you do?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Validation for robbing people?
Please go back under your bridge
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pulling out money to pay and making a ,,Have money and proud" parade is somewhat different