Ummm, because gay people are demonised, condemned by religion, outlawed, disowned by their parents, bullied, harassed, murdered, still to this day executed with state sanction in some countries, erased by heteronormativity...
...and then at the end of it all, we have ignoramuses like you questioning what the hell we're pissed off about.
I took the question to mean, in a larger sense, why do we have "(blank) rights" when everyone should just have the same rights.
Going on that interpretation, I agree with the question. Violation of a person's rights is a violation regardless of why.
There's a difference between being discriminatory and simply thinking something is weird. Of course there are a lot of straight people that don't really care about it, and wouldn't ever be mean or hurt someone because of it, but they might think it's weird because it's foreign.
I think often that gets confused. You can't force someone to not see something as weird or odd or different, all you end up doing is giving them a negative experience to go along with them thinking it's weird - like now it's weird and they're getting hassled for simply feeling a certain way.
It's not that serious. Your neighbour or co-worker might not understand gay people, I don't care about that.
What I care about is when people are actively pushing back against progressive policies which benefit LGBT people (at the expense of absolutely fucking nobody) just for the sake of being a stubborn mard, or because their little medieval fairy tale book tells them their sky daddy doesn't like gays. I also don't like this fucking obnoxious "there's a gay agenda!" mentality. My "agenda" is to freely have relationships and possibly get married, and not to be attacked or fired, I don't think that's too much to ask.
Not everyone has to "understand" or kiss the arses of LGBT people, I don't need that.
But in response to this "why do we have "(blank) rights" when everyone should just have the same rights?" question, that's easy. You already have all your rights right in front of you, which you either don't see or you take for granted. There's no point in white people asking for the right to not be racially profiled by the police, because that doesn't happen. Some rights struggles are minority-specific and drawing attention to that is necessary to make progress. Maybe then, and only then, can we stop being "divisive" and look at rights collectively.
Its really a misconception and transference of guilt that we have been bombarded with from those yahoos behind the pulpit.
The Bible does not say anything about gays in the secular sense. Romans, they love to quote does not mention homosexuals. The word wasn't invented until the 19th century by a psychologist. There was no such word back thousands of years ago.
The Leviticus verse that they love to shout is out of context. Leviticus is an instructional book, on how to be a Levite priest. It instructs them on certain behaviors that are expected of them and prohibited to them. It tells them what to eat, what to drink and how to dress. Levite priests aren't around anymore.
Temple sex prostitution male or female was frowned upon. The word abomination is used, abomination is not a bad thing necessarily, it basically means, against tradition against their belief system. Eating meat to a vegan is an abomination. Going out without makeup on is an abomination to some women.
However the transference of their guilt comes into play when they make it out that the whole Bible preaches against homosexuality. What is mentioned quite frequently in both old and new Testaments is ADULTERY. Whey do we hear more about homosexuality from those religious camps. Because most of those guys are guilty of it. Then there are those who preach against homosexuality only to be caught in a hotel/motel room with gay escorts.
Unfortunately, giving rights and fighting discrimination for minorities has transformed into giving them privileges, such as (real case): some university from US had 2 applicants for the job of teaching engineering: a white hetero man (uuumh fucking privileged) and a black lesbian woman. The man (as we might expect) was the best for the job, and he got it. The crazy ass woman sued the uni, won, and the uni was forced to fire the man and hire the lesbian, just because she is a minority and she put that in court as the reason why she didnt get the job. See, if you give rights and social promotion to minorities, they start literally taking your food from your mouth. Which is why, I think I would be so happy in the 20th century with the patriarchy, white male hetero privilege and stuff. At least you had some order in the society. I think I was too harsh on race, should go just with hetero men.
Note its just my opinion, please control your comunist rage and dont call me a fuckin privileged homophobe. Instead, bring up facts or personal opinions, thank you.
it is of course a philosophical issue, but I tend to think that if there is discrimination towards some minority, this discrimination has a reason, therefore stopping it would be fighting against something natural.
oh well this is one of the reason SJWs annoy me, you cant just have a debate with real arguments, without calling each other names and banter: i am trying to honestly understand something right here, and if gay rights really mattered to you, you had an ideal chance to change my opinion. Yet, your gay ass brain told you that the best thing is to call me a piece of shit... and all it did was make me hate gays even more. way to go
I actually made reasonable post after reasonable post giving you fair arguments. I did not immediately resort to name calling, because that's something I don't like myself. "Homophobe/phobic" is just a popular buzzword used to shut people down instead of educating people, and I don't like when gays do that.
But instead of really considering what I was saying, you just decided to go back and forth with me and spew bigotry, so I repeat you are a bigoted piece of shit. And a very sad individual on top of that, considering you are far too interested in a topic that really shouldn't have anything to do with you, if you're straight.
Anyway this is my last reply to you now, you've already taken up too much of my time. Have a nice day. Peace.
Discrimination has a reason, yes. That reason is called stupidity and ignorance. And please don't EVER use the argument about what's "natural". Diseases are natural, yet we fight them. Computer chips aren't natural, yet our entire modern society depends on them.
Lets be honest here. Discrimination isn't a bad thing. We all discriminate. It is normal and natural. I discriminate against people. Not because of the color of their skin, sexual orientation or religion but more who they are, their personalities.
Some guys discriminate against gays because when they look at a gay male, they see someone just like them, a male, same genitals, same general make up. The difference is what is inside. They do not understand how someone like them could be attracted to someone like them and then they fear it could happen to them and that to them is a flaw. A flaw is a weakness, a weakness is not tolerable and can never be associated with.
So they punish, they punish with words and actions, they punish until you change, if you change, they will forgive and not punish you anymore, if not they will continue until you do.
And girls flock to us, they like hanging out with us, they want us as their GBF. To shop and hang out. They love us because we're male and they think we're just like them. Sometimes they prefer to hang out with us more than they're boyfriends and husbands, they get jealous and wonder why they would prefer the flawed weak males over them, the strong males.
But girls discriminate worse than guys, especially if playing a drunken game. I let a girl touch my dick, in front of her boyfriend, she wanted to see if I would get hard, which I didn't. I touched her, still didn't get aroused. She told me to touch her boyfriend, I said no, but he agreed to it, I did, he got hard. She got pissed and I lost a friend and she hates me to this day. Even though it was her idea and he went along with it, it was my fault. And she even caused me to lose a job because she told them I was gay--that was a few years ago when you could get fired for being gay--I also received hate email from her for a long time. They broke up and got back together and married him and moved to another state. I changed emails and got a new number. I stay away from girls who want me as their GBF because I never want this to happen again, unless they're single.
I feel your pain bro, I so much appreciate reasonable gays! Why aren't all the gays like you, normal people on the outside, do whatever you want at home in your bedroom... And yes, women sometimes are bitches. I think on this matter you are lucky to be gay cause you won't have to spend your whole life with a female :) I honestly hope you find another reasonable gay like you and have gay sex with and a gay family (no banter, I am serious)
I was talking about natural behaviour, not science. And stupidity is not a reason for discrimination. At least, my point of view was that the reason for dicrimination comes from the discriminated one: and it might be as savage as it sounds, for being yourself. But if yourself is not approved by the majority, discrimination is the thing to follow up. Until some crazy loud women and gays come along and start fighting against this natural behaviour.
Even though you simplify, you are right for the most part. Though what you give is an explanation, not a justification. Saying that the reason for discrimination comes from the discriminated one is like saying that it's my fault for getting robbed because I have a lot of money. It may correlate, but it doesn't excuse the deed.
I like your reply, but I have an answer too. The reason for being robbed isn't for having too much money: the reason you got robbed is that you took those money out of your pocket, went on the street and started waving them around showing it to people who dont have money and robbers, shoving the money up their faces (equivalent to gay marriage, media promotion and minority privileges). And this is when you get robbed. I agree it was harsh back in the time. But if gays wouldntve behaved so camp, a woman like behaviour, and wouldnt try to turn straight men to the gay side, maybe nothing wouldntve happened. Anyway, you waved your money at people, now you are getting robbed.
So, pulling money out to pay for something is a valid reason for a person to go up and Rob them, simply because they don't have that money, and you do?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Validation for robbing people?
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Ummm, because gay people are demonised, condemned by religion, outlawed, disowned by their parents, bullied, harassed, murdered, still to this day executed with state sanction in some countries, erased by heteronormativity...
...and then at the end of it all, we have ignoramuses like you questioning what the hell we're pissed off about.
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I took the question to mean, in a larger sense, why do we have "(blank) rights" when everyone should just have the same rights.
Going on that interpretation, I agree with the question. Violation of a person's rights is a violation regardless of why.
There's a difference between being discriminatory and simply thinking something is weird. Of course there are a lot of straight people that don't really care about it, and wouldn't ever be mean or hurt someone because of it, but they might think it's weird because it's foreign.
I think often that gets confused. You can't force someone to not see something as weird or odd or different, all you end up doing is giving them a negative experience to go along with them thinking it's weird - like now it's weird and they're getting hassled for simply feeling a certain way.
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It's not that serious. Your neighbour or co-worker might not understand gay people, I don't care about that.
What I care about is when people are actively pushing back against progressive policies which benefit LGBT people (at the expense of absolutely fucking nobody) just for the sake of being a stubborn mard, or because their little medieval fairy tale book tells them their sky daddy doesn't like gays. I also don't like this fucking obnoxious "there's a gay agenda!" mentality. My "agenda" is to freely have relationships and possibly get married, and not to be attacked or fired, I don't think that's too much to ask.
Not everyone has to "understand" or kiss the arses of LGBT people, I don't need that.
But in response to this "why do we have "(blank) rights" when everyone should just have the same rights?" question, that's easy. You already have all your rights right in front of you, which you either don't see or you take for granted. There's no point in white people asking for the right to not be racially profiled by the police, because that doesn't happen. Some rights struggles are minority-specific and drawing attention to that is necessary to make progress. Maybe then, and only then, can we stop being "divisive" and look at rights collectively.
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Its really a misconception and transference of guilt that we have been bombarded with from those yahoos behind the pulpit.
The Bible does not say anything about gays in the secular sense. Romans, they love to quote does not mention homosexuals. The word wasn't invented until the 19th century by a psychologist. There was no such word back thousands of years ago.
The Leviticus verse that they love to shout is out of context. Leviticus is an instructional book, on how to be a Levite priest. It instructs them on certain behaviors that are expected of them and prohibited to them. It tells them what to eat, what to drink and how to dress. Levite priests aren't around anymore.
Temple sex prostitution male or female was frowned upon. The word abomination is used, abomination is not a bad thing necessarily, it basically means, against tradition against their belief system. Eating meat to a vegan is an abomination. Going out without makeup on is an abomination to some women.
However the transference of their guilt comes into play when they make it out that the whole Bible preaches against homosexuality. What is mentioned quite frequently in both old and new Testaments is ADULTERY. Whey do we hear more about homosexuality from those religious camps. Because most of those guys are guilty of it. Then there are those who preach against homosexuality only to be caught in a hotel/motel room with gay escorts.
Unfortunately, giving rights and fighting discrimination for minorities has transformed into giving them privileges, such as (real case): some university from US had 2 applicants for the job of teaching engineering: a white hetero man (uuumh fucking privileged) and a black lesbian woman. The man (as we might expect) was the best for the job, and he got it. The crazy ass woman sued the uni, won, and the uni was forced to fire the man and hire the lesbian, just because she is a minority and she put that in court as the reason why she didnt get the job. See, if you give rights and social promotion to minorities, they start literally taking your food from your mouth. Which is why, I think I would be so happy in the 20th century with the patriarchy, white male hetero privilege and stuff. At least you had some order in the society. I think I was too harsh on race, should go just with hetero men.
Note its just my opinion, please control your comunist rage and dont call me a fuckin privileged homophobe. Instead, bring up facts or personal opinions, thank you.
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oh well this is one of the reason SJWs annoy me, you cant just have a debate with real arguments, without calling each other names and banter: i am trying to honestly understand something right here, and if gay rights really mattered to you, you had an ideal chance to change my opinion. Yet, your gay ass brain told you that the best thing is to call me a piece of shit... and all it did was make me hate gays even more. way to go
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I actually made reasonable post after reasonable post giving you fair arguments. I did not immediately resort to name calling, because that's something I don't like myself. "Homophobe/phobic" is just a popular buzzword used to shut people down instead of educating people, and I don't like when gays do that.
But instead of really considering what I was saying, you just decided to go back and forth with me and spew bigotry, so I repeat you are a bigoted piece of shit. And a very sad individual on top of that, considering you are far too interested in a topic that really shouldn't have anything to do with you, if you're straight.
Anyway this is my last reply to you now, you've already taken up too much of my time. Have a nice day. Peace.
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Lets be honest here. Discrimination isn't a bad thing. We all discriminate. It is normal and natural. I discriminate against people. Not because of the color of their skin, sexual orientation or religion but more who they are, their personalities.
Some guys discriminate against gays because when they look at a gay male, they see someone just like them, a male, same genitals, same general make up. The difference is what is inside. They do not understand how someone like them could be attracted to someone like them and then they fear it could happen to them and that to them is a flaw. A flaw is a weakness, a weakness is not tolerable and can never be associated with.
So they punish, they punish with words and actions, they punish until you change, if you change, they will forgive and not punish you anymore, if not they will continue until you do.
And girls flock to us, they like hanging out with us, they want us as their GBF. To shop and hang out. They love us because we're male and they think we're just like them. Sometimes they prefer to hang out with us more than they're boyfriends and husbands, they get jealous and wonder why they would prefer the flawed weak males over them, the strong males.
But girls discriminate worse than guys, especially if playing a drunken game. I let a girl touch my dick, in front of her boyfriend, she wanted to see if I would get hard, which I didn't. I touched her, still didn't get aroused. She told me to touch her boyfriend, I said no, but he agreed to it, I did, he got hard. She got pissed and I lost a friend and she hates me to this day. Even though it was her idea and he went along with it, it was my fault. And she even caused me to lose a job because she told them I was gay--that was a few years ago when you could get fired for being gay--I also received hate email from her for a long time. They broke up and got back together and married him and moved to another state. I changed emails and got a new number. I stay away from girls who want me as their GBF because I never want this to happen again, unless they're single.
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I feel your pain bro, I so much appreciate reasonable gays! Why aren't all the gays like you, normal people on the outside, do whatever you want at home in your bedroom... And yes, women sometimes are bitches. I think on this matter you are lucky to be gay cause you won't have to spend your whole life with a female :) I honestly hope you find another reasonable gay like you and have gay sex with and a gay family (no banter, I am serious)
I was talking about natural behaviour, not science. And stupidity is not a reason for discrimination. At least, my point of view was that the reason for dicrimination comes from the discriminated one: and it might be as savage as it sounds, for being yourself. But if yourself is not approved by the majority, discrimination is the thing to follow up. Until some crazy loud women and gays come along and start fighting against this natural behaviour.
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Even though you simplify, you are right for the most part. Though what you give is an explanation, not a justification. Saying that the reason for discrimination comes from the discriminated one is like saying that it's my fault for getting robbed because I have a lot of money. It may correlate, but it doesn't excuse the deed.
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I like your reply, but I have an answer too. The reason for being robbed isn't for having too much money: the reason you got robbed is that you took those money out of your pocket, went on the street and started waving them around showing it to people who dont have money and robbers, shoving the money up their faces (equivalent to gay marriage, media promotion and minority privileges). And this is when you get robbed. I agree it was harsh back in the time. But if gays wouldntve behaved so camp, a woman like behaviour, and wouldnt try to turn straight men to the gay side, maybe nothing wouldntve happened. Anyway, you waved your money at people, now you are getting robbed.
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So, you are saying that a person pulling out money to pay for something should be robbed?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
So, pulling money out to pay for something is a valid reason for a person to go up and Rob them, simply because they don't have that money, and you do?
Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Validation for robbing people?
Please go back under your bridge