Well I knew about the competing of the two current thing. That does sound really fucked up though. Though in the field of science people really do not have a lot of regard for animals anyhow. So can not say it is too surprising.
Yes and I do too but the fact is all lab work and medical research is done on animals. I personally think they should do it on convicted life row prisoners. Since they cost housing a lot of money. They are automatically cleared of all debt when sent to prison and they basically do nothing for community at this point. They do more damage to community if they let them out. So why not use them as test rats apposed to all these creatures that are innocent which we breed purely for experiments.
I can agree on what concerns the animals, though I'm not entirely sure about using prisoners as a substitute. Perhaps only for the most hardened and violent criminals, though it would be hard to set boundaries.
My fear is that it would be used as an excuse to torture and kill possibly innocent citizens (after all, many great people such as nelson mandela were considered criminals at the time).
That said it I bet it would drastically lower violent crime rates. Even so, nowadays tissue cultures can be grown in a petri dish to perform tests on. The sole reason animal testing continues to exist is laziness.
Well I was thinking death row and life sentenced prisoners. Since they are usually charged for multiple account of rape, murder, pedophiles. They have no chance of getting out and we are basically just paying for them to live in a cage since they decided to be fucked up people. Now Not something like stealing a car or minor offences. Things like jay walking and so on. However we have so many prisoners they actually began letting a lot of them out. If it is drug addicts I think we need to send these people to rehab and get them some help. Also I believe we should have a month. They have companies that can prove if you are innocent even after put in jail. So give them a few months to prove they are not guilty.
Yes, I do agree that the amount of money spent on prisoners is disgraceful. They are even given gaming consoles in some UK prisons. I believe that forced labour should be reintroduced. Nothing terrible, just eight hours six days a week doing useful work to earn their keep and lower taxes.
Repeated offenders for crimes such as rape or murder could perhaps be used as test subjects or other useful but deadly tasks. Just killing them painlessly seems redundant and not enough of a deterrent to people who think they can do whatever they want because they don't care about death. Not even a suicidal person could possibly not mind being a test subject.
No I am not saying attack suicidal people. These people are sad and they need attention and help. Just because someone is suicidal does not mean we should punish them. They are obviously depressed because of something. We should not take advantage of someone in such a state. Being suicidal does not mean you murdered or raped so I do not see how that is even relevant to this. I also do not think mental patients should be tortured since it is not like they chose to be crazy. So abusing a crazy or person in this state is just as bad as killing an innocent animal. Which is really fucked up. I was talking about the no longer innocent. Which most of these criminals are innocent. Some of these people will even laugh in your faces about it. Do you understand suicide? Some of these people are very tortured as well. Someone of them abused by so many. Yet in stead of killing they choose to punish themselves. You aiding to this by saying "Let experiment" Makes you are monster as well. That is just as bad as anything a criminal would do. Suicidal people do not want to be tortured. They want to put an end to their torture.
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Well I knew about the competing of the two current thing. That does sound really fucked up though. Though in the field of science people really do not have a lot of regard for animals anyhow. So can not say it is too surprising.
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Yes and I do too but the fact is all lab work and medical research is done on animals. I personally think they should do it on convicted life row prisoners. Since they cost housing a lot of money. They are automatically cleared of all debt when sent to prison and they basically do nothing for community at this point. They do more damage to community if they let them out. So why not use them as test rats apposed to all these creatures that are innocent which we breed purely for experiments.
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I can agree on what concerns the animals, though I'm not entirely sure about using prisoners as a substitute. Perhaps only for the most hardened and violent criminals, though it would be hard to set boundaries.
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Well I was thinking death row and life sentenced prisoners. Since they are usually charged for multiple account of rape, murder, pedophiles. They have no chance of getting out and we are basically just paying for them to live in a cage since they decided to be fucked up people. Now Not something like stealing a car or minor offences. Things like jay walking and so on. However we have so many prisoners they actually began letting a lot of them out. If it is drug addicts I think we need to send these people to rehab and get them some help. Also I believe we should have a month. They have companies that can prove if you are innocent even after put in jail. So give them a few months to prove they are not guilty.
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Repeated offenders for crimes such as rape or murder could perhaps be used as test subjects or other useful but deadly tasks. Just killing them painlessly seems redundant and not enough of a deterrent to people who think they can do whatever they want because they don't care about death. Not even a suicidal person could possibly not mind being a test subject.
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No I am not saying attack suicidal people. These people are sad and they need attention and help. Just because someone is suicidal does not mean we should punish them. They are obviously depressed because of something. We should not take advantage of someone in such a state. Being suicidal does not mean you murdered or raped so I do not see how that is even relevant to this. I also do not think mental patients should be tortured since it is not like they chose to be crazy. So abusing a crazy or person in this state is just as bad as killing an innocent animal. Which is really fucked up. I was talking about the no longer innocent. Which most of these criminals are innocent. Some of these people will even laugh in your faces about it. Do you understand suicide? Some of these people are very tortured as well. Someone of them abused by so many. Yet in stead of killing they choose to punish themselves. You aiding to this by saying "Let experiment" Makes you are monster as well. That is just as bad as anything a criminal would do. Suicidal people do not want to be tortured. They want to put an end to their torture.