Yeah, that's the thing. I can't say they're not funny. It just doesn't work for me as a non-American. Both comedians do both say things that amuse me, by the way, but I did pick on the going fucking yourself thing for a specific reason.
I also genuinely thought twice about putting Hicks in the list because I knew I was leaving myself open. Hicks definitely is being serious, by the way. It's not a joke. The thing is, I always agreed with him. The people he picked on really should go and fuck themselves. He didn't say it to make us laugh. He said it because he was pissed off.
Whereas I saw Burr talking about how he doesn't understand something (it was something sciencey) and he said some clever people had tried to explain it to him but they should just fuck off with their "magic". I know he was joking and I wouldn't take any offence to that. It's just that nagging feeling that they don't deserve it and that he was plugging in to people's irritation at those who either achieve or are clever. It just seemed an odd target although I do understand the joke and that it's not offensive and isn't meant to be.
You could have really skewered me with Stewart Lee, by the way. He is incredibly outspoken and leads savage personal attacks on other British comedians and public figures. He's generally right, though, and we do put up with mediocrity. It's actually a miracle anything of Lee's stuff is funny because he's generally being very negative about the things that annoy him. It's also lost me friends that I like him so much because it makes people think I secretly hate everyone and am too polite to say it. Which obviously isn't true. I'm one of the biggest moaners here (and in real life). I'm always on my soap box.
That's why I'm not a fan of Hicks, I don't think that's real comedy if you are just getting up on a stage and ranting and preaching, even if some of what he says has some truth to it. Being totally honest all the time is not the point of comedy, the point is to make people laugh. In my opinion, that is. But what makes some people laugh makes others cringe. 'Cuz yea, Burr is totally aware that he's the one who's stupid and insecure, but can't help but express his opinions anyway. That's why I like it, I can sort of relate to it but that's probably an American thing. I think he actually doesn't give himself enough credit though, because he'll talk about how dumb he is yet the stuff he says about American celebrities and athletes is very smart and I agree with him completely. But that's obviously totally an American culture thing so that wouldn't translate well in other countries.
And I don't actually know anything about Stewart Lee, I just thought some of the stuff from those links you posted were kind of funny. Louis is also way overly negative about the things that annoy him but he does it mostly for the effect
Actually, I might have to take that last part back. Louis hasn't really been very negative lately, quite the opposite if you see him in interviews where he's not just doing a bit. When people are open to him he's actually become much more open to what other people have to say than you'd think, he just doesn't let it change his opinions. I think the people who call him a philosopher based on his standup are missing the point, but if you watch the narrative parts of his show there's actually some really profound underlying messages in some episodes, and he works his ass off on that show. Gives you a clue to the kind of person Louis really is these days.
IMHO, that is an excellent opinion, despite your poor grammar. Never thought of it like that before but you make a pretty good point. IMHO, you always have the right opinion. For yourself, anyway. 'Cuz it's yours.
Just be sure you're distinguishing facts from opinions. I've been known to get those mixed up in the past. And yes, grammar thing a joke. Definitely. For sure. Absolutely. 'Cuz yea
Who is a better comedian, Louis CK or Bill Burr?
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Yeah, that's the thing. I can't say they're not funny. It just doesn't work for me as a non-American. Both comedians do both say things that amuse me, by the way, but I did pick on the going fucking yourself thing for a specific reason.
I also genuinely thought twice about putting Hicks in the list because I knew I was leaving myself open. Hicks definitely is being serious, by the way. It's not a joke. The thing is, I always agreed with him. The people he picked on really should go and fuck themselves. He didn't say it to make us laugh. He said it because he was pissed off.
Whereas I saw Burr talking about how he doesn't understand something (it was something sciencey) and he said some clever people had tried to explain it to him but they should just fuck off with their "magic". I know he was joking and I wouldn't take any offence to that. It's just that nagging feeling that they don't deserve it and that he was plugging in to people's irritation at those who either achieve or are clever. It just seemed an odd target although I do understand the joke and that it's not offensive and isn't meant to be.
You could have really skewered me with Stewart Lee, by the way. He is incredibly outspoken and leads savage personal attacks on other British comedians and public figures. He's generally right, though, and we do put up with mediocrity. It's actually a miracle anything of Lee's stuff is funny because he's generally being very negative about the things that annoy him. It's also lost me friends that I like him so much because it makes people think I secretly hate everyone and am too polite to say it. Which obviously isn't true. I'm one of the biggest moaners here (and in real life). I'm always on my soap box.
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That's why I'm not a fan of Hicks, I don't think that's real comedy if you are just getting up on a stage and ranting and preaching, even if some of what he says has some truth to it. Being totally honest all the time is not the point of comedy, the point is to make people laugh. In my opinion, that is. But what makes some people laugh makes others cringe. 'Cuz yea, Burr is totally aware that he's the one who's stupid and insecure, but can't help but express his opinions anyway. That's why I like it, I can sort of relate to it but that's probably an American thing. I think he actually doesn't give himself enough credit though, because he'll talk about how dumb he is yet the stuff he says about American celebrities and athletes is very smart and I agree with him completely. But that's obviously totally an American culture thing so that wouldn't translate well in other countries.
And I don't actually know anything about Stewart Lee, I just thought some of the stuff from those links you posted were kind of funny. Louis is also way overly negative about the things that annoy him but he does it mostly for the effect
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Actually, I might have to take that last part back. Louis hasn't really been very negative lately, quite the opposite if you see him in interviews where he's not just doing a bit. When people are open to him he's actually become much more open to what other people have to say than you'd think, he just doesn't let it change his opinions. I think the people who call him a philosopher based on his standup are missing the point, but if you watch the narrative parts of his show there's actually some really profound underlying messages in some episodes, and he works his ass off on that show. Gives you a clue to the kind of person Louis really is these days.
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IMHO, comedians like Louis and Burr are just making fun of how most of us Americans misunderstands each other, and ourselves.
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IMHO, that is an excellent opinion, despite your poor grammar. Never thought of it like that before but you make a pretty good point. IMHO, you always have the right opinion. For yourself, anyway. 'Cuz it's yours.
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And I just realized that your poor grammar was probably a joke. I'm dumb lol
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Just be sure you're distinguishing facts from opinions. I've been known to get those mixed up in the past. And yes, grammar thing a joke. Definitely. For sure. Absolutely. 'Cuz yea
At least, that's how I interpret it. Obviously this is all very subjective.