Oh, I may also add, is a man being abused not worse than a thief stealing?
Your argument here is that "It's not as bad, so it's not here" which then defeats the justification of certain crimes in this poll being involved as they are not as bad as others such as a thief is not as bad as a mobster.
The poll involves things that aren't as bad as other ones things on the list but giving us the option to choose which ones are worse.
So your arguement falls apart.
So basically what you're saying is "You're allowed to pick things lesser than others on the list but the fact that male abuse victims are not in this list while abuse against all other living beings are is because men can defend themselves"...Which is a contradiction to the post itself for involving criminals that are worse than others.
The fact that you accepted a contradictory argument to the post for not having a male abuser option, to me, illustrates exactly WHY abusers of men should definitely be on this list, as people will make excuses for men not to be portrayed as victims despite men being more likely to be trapped in silence of their abuse with extremely little help to get out of that abuse or even be acknowledged as a victim compared to all the other groups involved in the poll.
The fact that I already got a thumbs down for saying excluding a group of criminals attacking men specifically should be on this list when all other groups of criminals targeting every other living being is on there while you get a thumbs up for making an excuse to exclude criminals that abuse men while groups harming everyone else also shows why I such a group of criminals should be up there.
But hey, who am I to sit there and say that excluding abusers of men from a poll about the "biggest scum"? We all know that abuse against men is not even comparable to a thief, right?
Shit duz!
You get your ass handed to you by a woman once or something? :p
I don't THINK I disagree with everything you say about men's rights, or whatever it is you're always preaching about on here (I'll be honest though, I often can't make it through your whole comment(s) when you go all "meninist"), but shit-damn you really get into it at any opportunity don't you!
I definitely agree that women are capable of abusing men but I personally see it as a lesser issue than men abusing women.
You're gonna fucking love that I know! ;)
My reasoning is simply due to a man commonly (not always) being physically larger & stronger.
Plus I'm a man who had it drilled into me from a young age that there is never an excuse for a man to hit a woman. Never...
Before you ask - no, there's no excuse for a woman to hit a man either.
There's rarely an excuse for anyone to hit anyone, let's be honest.
But it will GENERALLY (not always) be easier for a man to protect himself, escape the situation & he's also less likely to be as seriously injured when abused by a woman IMO.
Nope. I'm just aware that as a guy, if I was in this situation like many men are, I'd want someone spreading awareness of male victims.
Whenever I see male victims being neglected when the subject is victims, then yeah, I use that opportunity to mention why that's wrong.
Well, I don't really agree. Given that men and women are reported to be victims of domestic violence at the same rates, some studies reporting women are more likely to be abusive, and how most men don't come forward about it, I think that men being abused is worse in a lot of ways such as how men can arguibly be said to be the majority of victims, they recieve very, very, very little help when they're a victim due to so little being available to them, and how people would still minimize it and say it happening to women is worse, I think men have it worse in this subject.
You use the part about men being stronger however you do not take in to account that women are prone to using weapons and throwing objects to abuse their partner, which I would consider worse than a man's hit.
Your only reason is that men are physically stronger but considering what I said about weapons and all the other factors weighing in against men when it comes to this, I think it's fair to say there are more negatives to being an abused man than an abused woman.
I don't think you grasp how domestic violence tends to work. You're seeing it as merely a physical confrontation rather than abuse and fear. Sure in a fight a man can do that but when it comes to domestic abuse when one is in fear of what would happen if they tried to escape or their situation in life at that moment, it isn't that simple.
And let's not forget that it's basically suggested that men aren't even permitted to defend themselves in any way in a conflict involving women or minors.
A 15-year-old girl attacks an adult man with the intention of causing him great bodily harm. WHAT can he possibly do in response that won't earn him the contempt of society?
"She's a little child, why would you hit her?! For fuck's sake, you're a grown man!"
Uh....yeah. So what did you expect him to do, power-lift her off of him?
Which of these kinds of people do you consider the lowest scum?
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Oh, I may also add, is a man being abused not worse than a thief stealing?
Your argument here is that "It's not as bad, so it's not here" which then defeats the justification of certain crimes in this poll being involved as they are not as bad as others such as a thief is not as bad as a mobster.
The poll involves things that aren't as bad as other ones things on the list but giving us the option to choose which ones are worse.
So your arguement falls apart.
So basically what you're saying is "You're allowed to pick things lesser than others on the list but the fact that male abuse victims are not in this list while abuse against all other living beings are is because men can defend themselves"...Which is a contradiction to the post itself for involving criminals that are worse than others.
The fact that you accepted a contradictory argument to the post for not having a male abuser option, to me, illustrates exactly WHY abusers of men should definitely be on this list, as people will make excuses for men not to be portrayed as victims despite men being more likely to be trapped in silence of their abuse with extremely little help to get out of that abuse or even be acknowledged as a victim compared to all the other groups involved in the poll.
The fact that I already got a thumbs down for saying excluding a group of criminals attacking men specifically should be on this list when all other groups of criminals targeting every other living being is on there while you get a thumbs up for making an excuse to exclude criminals that abuse men while groups harming everyone else also shows why I such a group of criminals should be up there.
But hey, who am I to sit there and say that excluding abusers of men from a poll about the "biggest scum"? We all know that abuse against men is not even comparable to a thief, right?
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Shit duz!
You get your ass handed to you by a woman once or something? :p
I don't THINK I disagree with everything you say about men's rights, or whatever it is you're always preaching about on here (I'll be honest though, I often can't make it through your whole comment(s) when you go all "meninist"), but shit-damn you really get into it at any opportunity don't you!
I definitely agree that women are capable of abusing men but I personally see it as a lesser issue than men abusing women.
You're gonna fucking love that I know! ;)
My reasoning is simply due to a man commonly (not always) being physically larger & stronger.
Plus I'm a man who had it drilled into me from a young age that there is never an excuse for a man to hit a woman. Never...
Before you ask - no, there's no excuse for a woman to hit a man either.
There's rarely an excuse for anyone to hit anyone, let's be honest.
But it will GENERALLY (not always) be easier for a man to protect himself, escape the situation & he's also less likely to be as seriously injured when abused by a woman IMO.
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Nope. I'm just aware that as a guy, if I was in this situation like many men are, I'd want someone spreading awareness of male victims.
Whenever I see male victims being neglected when the subject is victims, then yeah, I use that opportunity to mention why that's wrong.
Well, I don't really agree. Given that men and women are reported to be victims of domestic violence at the same rates, some studies reporting women are more likely to be abusive, and how most men don't come forward about it, I think that men being abused is worse in a lot of ways such as how men can arguibly be said to be the majority of victims, they recieve very, very, very little help when they're a victim due to so little being available to them, and how people would still minimize it and say it happening to women is worse, I think men have it worse in this subject.
You use the part about men being stronger however you do not take in to account that women are prone to using weapons and throwing objects to abuse their partner, which I would consider worse than a man's hit.
Your only reason is that men are physically stronger but considering what I said about weapons and all the other factors weighing in against men when it comes to this, I think it's fair to say there are more negatives to being an abused man than an abused woman.
I don't think you grasp how domestic violence tends to work. You're seeing it as merely a physical confrontation rather than abuse and fear. Sure in a fight a man can do that but when it comes to domestic abuse when one is in fear of what would happen if they tried to escape or their situation in life at that moment, it isn't that simple.
And let's not forget that it's basically suggested that men aren't even permitted to defend themselves in any way in a conflict involving women or minors.
A 15-year-old girl attacks an adult man with the intention of causing him great bodily harm. WHAT can he possibly do in response that won't earn him the contempt of society?
"She's a little child, why would you hit her?! For fuck's sake, you're a grown man!"
Uh....yeah. So what did you expect him to do, power-lift her off of him?