It's interesting that you bring that up as I happen to have recently made the acquaintance of a convicted sex offender and the problems this fellow has are really an amazing thing.
He's out on probation or parole or whatever and he basically can't get a job, not just because he's a felon, but the nature of this crime.
He was working for a temp labor agency and was sent out to a job with another worker, who found out what his crime had been and then assaulted him and tossed him out of the vehicle (it wasn't moving). He had to walk back, many miles and the agency said they wouldn't assign him to work with that guy anymore.
His attorney said that due to the nature of his past crime, the assault would have to have resulted in broken bones for the police to bother with investigating the event. So essentially this guy doesn't have anything close to equal protection under the law.
And his crime didn't even involve an actual victim that he ever met. The actual violation of the victim was done by someone else, he merely was caught viewing the act (the brighter ones among you should be able to figure out what his crime was).
Now, I really don't know him all that well, but I seriously doubt he would actually hurt another person, though he does have a particular sort of fetish that society frowns upon. What's ironic is even liberals, who often are the first to stand up for a homosexuals rights (as one can not help who one is attracted to) equally condemn this fellow even though he's in the same boat of not being able to help who he's attracted to. I doubt there will ever be a circumstance in society where he could freely practice his particular proclivites, but I also don't think that with actually doing what he wants being illegal that he would do it.
So it really is a waste of a life as he'll probably end up back in prison, where he will undoubtedly be victimized by others. I should also mention, he was sexually abused as a child and that is the source of his deviant thinking.
So truly, how useful is it for society to throw this person away?
I had a case a while back where I worked with a young adult - really cool guy, very social, outgoing, fairly bright and likeable guy who rarely every gave me any crap when I had to step in and keep him in line... such people are fairly rare in lockup so I went into my files to try to figure out why this guy was here.
Turns out, he has been accused of rape twice and sexual assault/harassment multiple times. From what I can tell, all of these instances were completely unrelated.
One instance of rape involved the young lady having changed her story from the initial story after having interacted both with this man and her Mom. Mom gave up on sorting out the conflict so it was just stashed in his record.
Second instance, THAT Mom said she would report it if it happened again. Although everything seemed solid (despite him vehemently claiming that it was consensual), it was still accepted as rape but Mom liked him and decided to give him another chance because who knows? Maybe he was right.
The same pattern followed in the sexual assault and harassment cases. Up until the point at which he ended up in that cell he had spent much of the past few years talking his way out of charges and accepting suspensions, transfers and so on "agreeably, both for his well-being and the comfort of *insert female name here*". Naturally, none of those cases involved the victim or victim's family ever hearing about the previous charges. Hysterical, confused, upset and traumatized female and a well-spoken, gentle looking and reasonable dude. Even from my viewpoint, if I didn't have the experience that I had, I'd also consider that it may have just been a lover's quarrel.
I am not trying to say that this guy has done way more than he was arrested for, but in my experience as someone who has worked with sex offenders (and still does), chances are, whatever they are caught doing is just the most recent on a long list of sex offenses that they managed to get away with either on the record or off the record.
That could be true in the case I described, as I mentioned I have only recently become acquainted. The thing is, he was actually charged when he was still a minor, yet charged as an adult.
He's extremely shy and I don't believe ever dated or had a girlfriend who's last name wasn't jpeg.
All I can reasonably imagine is that he's been viewing materials of this nature on the internet for a few years. So possibly he's been at it for a while, but there is no paper trail of any sort.
Perhaps we could water board his therapist and see if further information could be obtained...
Oh boo hoo. What about the problems of the children he watched getting raped? He's not just a passive viewer, he and people like him are what makes the market for child porn. He is contributing to the abuse of children by demanding child porn.
I could agree with you except he paid nothing to obtain the materials that got him busted. They existed before he viewed them, and they existed after he viewed them, and I'm guessing they still exist now, what with the internet's power of eternal preservation.
And what about their problems? He suffers from them too, as he was abused as a child, where is your sympathy for ALL the victims?
I really don't think you argument holds much water as there is no supply and demand dynamic in the world of child porn, except perhaps in those rare places where it is a legal commodity.
Which is worse, rape or murder?
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It's interesting that you bring that up as I happen to have recently made the acquaintance of a convicted sex offender and the problems this fellow has are really an amazing thing.
He's out on probation or parole or whatever and he basically can't get a job, not just because he's a felon, but the nature of this crime.
He was working for a temp labor agency and was sent out to a job with another worker, who found out what his crime had been and then assaulted him and tossed him out of the vehicle (it wasn't moving). He had to walk back, many miles and the agency said they wouldn't assign him to work with that guy anymore.
His attorney said that due to the nature of his past crime, the assault would have to have resulted in broken bones for the police to bother with investigating the event. So essentially this guy doesn't have anything close to equal protection under the law.
And his crime didn't even involve an actual victim that he ever met. The actual violation of the victim was done by someone else, he merely was caught viewing the act (the brighter ones among you should be able to figure out what his crime was).
Now, I really don't know him all that well, but I seriously doubt he would actually hurt another person, though he does have a particular sort of fetish that society frowns upon. What's ironic is even liberals, who often are the first to stand up for a homosexuals rights (as one can not help who one is attracted to) equally condemn this fellow even though he's in the same boat of not being able to help who he's attracted to. I doubt there will ever be a circumstance in society where he could freely practice his particular proclivites, but I also don't think that with actually doing what he wants being illegal that he would do it.
So it really is a waste of a life as he'll probably end up back in prison, where he will undoubtedly be victimized by others. I should also mention, he was sexually abused as a child and that is the source of his deviant thinking.
So truly, how useful is it for society to throw this person away?
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I had a case a while back where I worked with a young adult - really cool guy, very social, outgoing, fairly bright and likeable guy who rarely every gave me any crap when I had to step in and keep him in line... such people are fairly rare in lockup so I went into my files to try to figure out why this guy was here.
Turns out, he has been accused of rape twice and sexual assault/harassment multiple times. From what I can tell, all of these instances were completely unrelated.
One instance of rape involved the young lady having changed her story from the initial story after having interacted both with this man and her Mom. Mom gave up on sorting out the conflict so it was just stashed in his record.
Second instance, THAT Mom said she would report it if it happened again. Although everything seemed solid (despite him vehemently claiming that it was consensual), it was still accepted as rape but Mom liked him and decided to give him another chance because who knows? Maybe he was right.
The same pattern followed in the sexual assault and harassment cases. Up until the point at which he ended up in that cell he had spent much of the past few years talking his way out of charges and accepting suspensions, transfers and so on "agreeably, both for his well-being and the comfort of *insert female name here*". Naturally, none of those cases involved the victim or victim's family ever hearing about the previous charges. Hysterical, confused, upset and traumatized female and a well-spoken, gentle looking and reasonable dude. Even from my viewpoint, if I didn't have the experience that I had, I'd also consider that it may have just been a lover's quarrel.
I am not trying to say that this guy has done way more than he was arrested for, but in my experience as someone who has worked with sex offenders (and still does), chances are, whatever they are caught doing is just the most recent on a long list of sex offenses that they managed to get away with either on the record or off the record.
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That could be true in the case I described, as I mentioned I have only recently become acquainted. The thing is, he was actually charged when he was still a minor, yet charged as an adult.
He's extremely shy and I don't believe ever dated or had a girlfriend who's last name wasn't jpeg.
All I can reasonably imagine is that he's been viewing materials of this nature on the internet for a few years. So possibly he's been at it for a while, but there is no paper trail of any sort.
Perhaps we could water board his therapist and see if further information could be obtained...
If it was up to me I'd tie a brick to his neck and throw him off the nearest pier.
Oh boo hoo. What about the problems of the children he watched getting raped? He's not just a passive viewer, he and people like him are what makes the market for child porn. He is contributing to the abuse of children by demanding child porn.
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I could agree with you except he paid nothing to obtain the materials that got him busted. They existed before he viewed them, and they existed after he viewed them, and I'm guessing they still exist now, what with the internet's power of eternal preservation.
And what about their problems? He suffers from them too, as he was abused as a child, where is your sympathy for ALL the victims?
I really don't think you argument holds much water as there is no supply and demand dynamic in the world of child porn, except perhaps in those rare places where it is a legal commodity.