I believe that the term "race", is not a "group of people".
It is ambiguous, and should be avoided.
I also have a conviction that this term should be relegated to the dustbin of Archaic words, for the following reasons:
race
noun
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength
Origin: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza.
First use: 1580
From an etymological standpoint:
razza
Italian
Etymology 1
Of uncertain origin. Perhaps from Old French haraz ("culture of horses"), or of Germanic origin; cf. Lombardic raiza. Another theory is that the word came from Medieval Latin ratio (the nominative, as opposed to ragione from the accusative rationem, which nonetheless was attested with a similar sense to razza in the late Middle Ages; ratio also came to mean "idea" or "conception of something" in Ecclesiastical Latin), and underwent a change of ending later from an original form *razzo, or else derived ultimately from generatio through apheresis. See also Spanish raza.
Etymology 2
From Latin raia.
Etymology 3
From Latin radius.
raza
Etymology 1
Unknown. Possibly borrowed from Italian razza (cf. other Romance cognates such as French race, Catalan, Occitan, and Portuguese raça), or according to the Real Academia Española, from the same source as the second definition below "ray, beam", "cleft, fissure". [1]
Etymology 2
From Vulgar Latin *radia < Latin radius.
raia
Italian
Noun
raia f. (plural raie)
ray, skate (fish)
radius
Latin
Noun
radius (genitive radiī); m, second declension
ray (of light)
staff, rod
spoke (of a wheel)
I do not believe that any of this aptly describes "a group of people".
More to follow: Please have a little patience, before the brain-dead jump into a tizzy, then you can present your counter-argument...
True.
However, many words have more than one contextual definition. Some of these have been usurped, often incorrectly, to represent outmoded thoughts, ideas or concepts.
1) I agree that humans are animals (Species: Homo sapiens sapiens). However, almost all humans breed, therefore, it does not aptly describe "a group."
2a ) A family.
fam·i·ly\ˈfam-lē, ˈfa-mə-\
1 : a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head : household
2 a : a group of persons of common ancestry : clan
b : a people or group of peoples regarded as deriving from a common stock : race
3 a : a group of people united by certain convictions or a common affiliation : fellowship
4 : a group of things related by common characteristics: as
c : a group of related languages descended from a single ancestral language
5 a : the basic unit in society traditionally consisting of two parents rearing their children; also : any of various social units differing from but regarded as equivalent to the traditional family <a single-parent family>
b : spouse and children <want to spend more time with my family>
6 a : a group of related plants or animals forming a category ranking above a genus and below an order and usually comprising several to many genera
8 : a unit of a crime syndicate (as the Mafia) operating within a geographical area
"Common ancestry" and "clan", I agree with. Please use these terms instead (where applicable).
There's that word 'stock' again:
stock\ˈstäk\
noun
(2) : a dull, stupid, or lifeless person
This I agree with!!!
But in all seriousness,
5 a : the original (as a person, race, or language) from which others derive : source
b (1) : the descendants of one individual : family, lineage <of European stock> (2) : a compound organism
c : an infraspecific group usually having unity of descent
d (1) : a related group of languages (2) : a language family
I do not believe that any of us are "the original."
An "intraspecific group". Yes, this does apply, but how would you describe that group, without using vague, general or inaccurate terminology?
A "crime syndicate", I agree with!!!
I do not believe that "family", is an acceptable definition for "race". This should be struck down, and nullified from the record.
2a) Tribe. ***This I agree with, and should be the preferred term, instead.
People. This is a sound general description, but it does not aptly describe any particular group of people, without a noun modifier. Acceptable for use, with or without the noun modifier, but "people" is not a "race", in this context. Struck down. This should also be nullified from this definition.
'Nation belonging to the same stock'?
Which nation(s) does this describe, aptly?
2a) Tribe or people. (Just please use either of these, instead).
2b) A class. A class system, is a human invented societal system, and has nothing to do with human physical characteristics. Yes, they might have shared interests or habits, but I do not think that this constitutes a 'race'.
That leaves us with 'kind', or 'kind of people'.
Which kind? What type(s) of unique characteristics do they have?
I do not think that 'shared interests' or 'habits' has anything to do with any particular 'race', as individuals from different tribes can and often share these.
Ergo,
2b) A kind of people unified by shared physical characteristics.
But which characteristics are unique to this group of people?
3a) I believe that the statement under '3a', could refer to any human, as humans quite often do interbreed or admix with one another.
breed
noun
1 : a group of usually domesticated animals or plants presumably related by descent from common ancestors and visibly similar in most characters
2 : a number of persons of the same stock
3b) Most humans, do, in fact "breed".
Are humans 'usually domesticated'?
It is no longer 'presumed', but has been proven that all humans are descended from (actually, more than one) common ancestor. This has been proven through genetic analysis. If you wish to remain ignorant of these facts, then you are quite simply, ignorant.
3c) I do not believe that we do, in fact, technically, categorize humans (except brain-dead idiots).
Therefore, Humankind shares certain distinctive physical traits.
Duh.
4) Obsolete.
5) Does not apply to any group of people.
THE USE OF THE TERM "RACE", IN THIS CONTEXT, IS NOW ARCHAIC.
Simply use 'tribe' or 'people', instead. It will prevent many problems.
Because they are technically incorrect.
This is not the first time that someone has challenged the folks who compile dictionaries or lexicons. In fact, they often do this themselves, and alter definitions to become more precise.
If you look through these reference works, you will find many obsolete or archaic references.
It is still acceptable to use the word 'race', but only in the context of the first set of noun definitions (in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary) or in the intransitive or transitive verb contexts.
PS: Look up the word 'folk' in the aforementioned dictionary, and look at definition 1.
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I believe that the term "race", is not a "group of people".
It is ambiguous, and should be avoided.
I also have a conviction that this term should be relegated to the dustbin of Archaic words, for the following reasons:
race
noun
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength
Origin: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza.
First use: 1580
From an etymological standpoint:
razza
Italian
Etymology 1
Of uncertain origin. Perhaps from Old French haraz ("culture of horses"), or of Germanic origin; cf. Lombardic raiza. Another theory is that the word came from Medieval Latin ratio (the nominative, as opposed to ragione from the accusative rationem, which nonetheless was attested with a similar sense to razza in the late Middle Ages; ratio also came to mean "idea" or "conception of something" in Ecclesiastical Latin), and underwent a change of ending later from an original form *razzo, or else derived ultimately from generatio through apheresis. See also Spanish raza.
Etymology 2
From Latin raia.
Etymology 3
From Latin radius.
raza
Etymology 1
Unknown. Possibly borrowed from Italian razza (cf. other Romance cognates such as French race, Catalan, Occitan, and Portuguese raça), or according to the Real Academia Española, from the same source as the second definition below "ray, beam", "cleft, fissure". [1]
Etymology 2
From Vulgar Latin *radia < Latin radius.
raia
Italian
Noun
raia f. (plural raie)
ray, skate (fish)
radius
Latin
Noun
radius (genitive radiī); m, second declension
ray (of light)
staff, rod
spoke (of a wheel)
I do not believe that any of this aptly describes "a group of people".
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YAWN! sorry :)
Stop using the word "archaic" all the time, I'm glad you discovered it for yourself, but it isn't new to us.
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Fine.
I will stop using that word, just as soon as everyone stops using words and contexts which fit that description.
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They don't use words and contexts, they use words within a context.
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True.
However, many words have more than one contextual definition. Some of these have been usurped, often incorrectly, to represent outmoded thoughts, ideas or concepts.
From a definitive standpoint:
1) I agree that humans are animals (Species: Homo sapiens sapiens). However, almost all humans breed, therefore, it does not aptly describe "a group."
2a ) A family.
fam·i·ly\ˈfam-lē, ˈfa-mə-\
1 : a group of individuals living under one roof and usually under one head : household
2 a : a group of persons of common ancestry : clan
b : a people or group of peoples regarded as deriving from a common stock : race
3 a : a group of people united by certain convictions or a common affiliation : fellowship
4 : a group of things related by common characteristics: as
c : a group of related languages descended from a single ancestral language
5 a : the basic unit in society traditionally consisting of two parents rearing their children; also : any of various social units differing from but regarded as equivalent to the traditional family <a single-parent family>
b : spouse and children <want to spend more time with my family>
6 a : a group of related plants or animals forming a category ranking above a genus and below an order and usually comprising several to many genera
8 : a unit of a crime syndicate (as the Mafia) operating within a geographical area
"Common ancestry" and "clan", I agree with. Please use these terms instead (where applicable).
There's that word 'stock' again:
stock\ˈstäk\
noun
(2) : a dull, stupid, or lifeless person
This I agree with!!!
But in all seriousness,
5 a : the original (as a person, race, or language) from which others derive : source
b (1) : the descendants of one individual : family, lineage <of European stock> (2) : a compound organism
c : an infraspecific group usually having unity of descent
d (1) : a related group of languages (2) : a language family
I do not believe that any of us are "the original."
An "intraspecific group". Yes, this does apply, but how would you describe that group, without using vague, general or inaccurate terminology?
A "crime syndicate", I agree with!!!
I do not believe that "family", is an acceptable definition for "race". This should be struck down, and nullified from the record.
More to follow...
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2a) Tribe. ***This I agree with, and should be the preferred term, instead.
People. This is a sound general description, but it does not aptly describe any particular group of people, without a noun modifier. Acceptable for use, with or without the noun modifier, but "people" is not a "race", in this context. Struck down. This should also be nullified from this definition.
'Nation belonging to the same stock'?
Which nation(s) does this describe, aptly?
2a) Tribe or people. (Just please use either of these, instead).
More to follow...
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2b) A class. A class system, is a human invented societal system, and has nothing to do with human physical characteristics. Yes, they might have shared interests or habits, but I do not think that this constitutes a 'race'.
That leaves us with 'kind', or 'kind of people'.
Which kind? What type(s) of unique characteristics do they have?
I do not think that 'shared interests' or 'habits' has anything to do with any particular 'race', as individuals from different tribes can and often share these.
Ergo,
2b) A kind of people unified by shared physical characteristics.
But which characteristics are unique to this group of people?
More to follow...
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3a) I believe that the statement under '3a', could refer to any human, as humans quite often do interbreed or admix with one another.
breed
noun
1 : a group of usually domesticated animals or plants presumably related by descent from common ancestors and visibly similar in most characters
2 : a number of persons of the same stock
3b) Most humans, do, in fact "breed".
Are humans 'usually domesticated'?
It is no longer 'presumed', but has been proven that all humans are descended from (actually, more than one) common ancestor. This has been proven through genetic analysis. If you wish to remain ignorant of these facts, then you are quite simply, ignorant.
3c) I do not believe that we do, in fact, technically, categorize humans (except brain-dead idiots).
Therefore, Humankind shares certain distinctive physical traits.
Duh.
4) Obsolete.
5) Does not apply to any group of people.
THE USE OF THE TERM "RACE", IN THIS CONTEXT, IS NOW ARCHAIC.
Simply use 'tribe' or 'people', instead. It will prevent many problems.
Please let the clowns in now.
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Why should the whole world change its terminology to accomodate you?
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Because they are technically incorrect.
This is not the first time that someone has challenged the folks who compile dictionaries or lexicons. In fact, they often do this themselves, and alter definitions to become more precise.
If you look through these reference works, you will find many obsolete or archaic references.
It is still acceptable to use the word 'race', but only in the context of the first set of noun definitions (in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary) or in the intransitive or transitive verb contexts.
PS: Look up the word 'folk' in the aforementioned dictionary, and look at definition 1.