"I hardly see you go out of your way to rant about other religions minus Islam and Muslims. "
On this very page I was criticizing Catholicism. Do you um, read?
"The numbering system originated from the Arabic numbering system. Hence why the similarities."
I gave you an opportunity to admit your error. Even your eyes alone should of told you your error look at the Arabic language as written, look at the numerals. Do you really think they originated in Arabic first? Even their form alone indicates that they did not originate in the Arabic language.
Since you are the one making a claim that goes against Academic and Historical consensus that they are Indian numerals. It is your responsibility to provide evidence. Please prove you are not just lying again.
For fun here is a small amount of evidence for the numbering system being Indian are:
Kitab al-fusul fi al-hisab al-Hindi
A very early Arabic work that states that before the use of Indian numerals, Arabic people's used their fingers to count.
As was analysed here:
The Earliest Extant Arabic Arithmetic: Kitab al-Fusul fi al Hisab al-Hindi of Abu al-Hasan, Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Uqlidisi
A. S. Saidan
Isis , Vol. 57, No. 4 (Winter, 1966), pp. 475-490
Liber abaci by Fibonacci, One of the first works of European mathematics
Refers to them as Indian numerals.
I could fill a book with evidence for them being Indian. It is so fun catching you in lies :). Only reason I still talk to you.
You managed to find a non-peer reviewed article by an Algerian physicist writing outside of his field on history.
To make his argument he references a previous paper authored by himself in which he claims to have found the original numerals from a manuscript. The date of the manuscript you might ask? 1810AD.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAhahahahahha
Now because this 1810 manuscript has numbers that he feels look similar to modern numerals, he feels that they obviously are the true origin. Let me repeat because an Algerian manuscript written in the 19th century used numbers that looked liked modern western numerals, he feels that Algeria or lands around it were the inventor of the modern numerals as we use them. :D
That is comedy GOLD. Please send more similar papers if you find them. That was genuinely the funniest failed attempt at academia I have ever seen.
I didn't think I my respect for you could sink any lower but by using that as reference you have managed it. Congratulations.
This physicist is also a global warming denier by the way. Great credibility. :)
Because the Ghubari text looked very similar to modern day English numerals, you are telling me it is not credible because the author isn't a historian, and he also doesn't believe in global warming? So the similarity is just a coincidence on his part.
I guess all of the other 26 references he used are not credible either. Bummer.
Ignore the fact that the manuscript, the ghubari text and the Arabic alphabet look very similar to the modern day numerals we are using.
It's not like a physicist uses numbers at all, and it's not like you used a European mathematician as reference at all.
"I could fill a book with evidence for them being Indian. It is so fun catching you in lies :)."
Yes, Great credibility on your part. :) Your words are facts themselves after all.
"Ghubari text looked very similar to modern day English numerals, you are telling me it is not credible because the author isn't a historian, and he also doesn't believe in global warming?"
No, I'm telling you it isn't credible historical evidence because it was written in 1810. Of course it looks like modern numerals, many people in 1810 used modern numerals. The rest is just a bonus :).
"the Arabic alphabet look very similar to the modern day numerals we are using."
Alright so if we ignore the 1810 Numerals. Let's compare the Arabic alphabet order he used with modern numerals right now:
ا Alif : 1 . Possible
ب Baa : 2 . No chance
ج Gim : 3 . Nope
د Del : 4 . Nope
ﻩ Haa : 5 . Nope
و Waw : 6 . Nope
ز Zin : 7 . Nope
ح Haa : 8 . Nope
ط Taa : 9 . Nope
"It's not like a physicist uses numbers at all, and it's not like you used a European mathematician as reference at all. "
Yeah because he uses numbers he is an expert on the history of numerals and because cave men used rocks they were experts on the history of those rocks, they were in fact expert geologists. I love talking to you it is so fun to laugh at the stupidity you amply demonstrate.
I referenced a historical figure as historical evidence there is no comparison.
It's relevant in the sense that he would be interested in numbers.
Don't write his credibility completely off because he has a doctorate in physics. You referenced a mathematician, and then discredite the physicist I referenced. BIASED MUCH.
The Ghubari text was extremely relevant to the English numerals. Don't discredit it.
Holy crap, dude nobody knows exactly where Modern numbers originated from. Why do you think they're called Hindu-Arabic numerals vice versa. Even the educated scholars like to reference it as that.
It was fun showing your anti-Islamic Bias while it lasted though. :)
"Holy crap, dude nobody knows exactly where our numbers originated from."
Your quote from earlier:
"The modern day numbering system we are using today DID originate from the Arabic Alphabet."
Thank you for admitting to being a liar in your own words. :D.
Which do you think has the biggest victim mentality/complex?
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"I hardly see you go out of your way to rant about other religions minus Islam and Muslims. "
On this very page I was criticizing Catholicism. Do you um, read?
"The numbering system originated from the Arabic numbering system. Hence why the similarities."
I gave you an opportunity to admit your error. Even your eyes alone should of told you your error look at the Arabic language as written, look at the numerals. Do you really think they originated in Arabic first? Even their form alone indicates that they did not originate in the Arabic language.
Since you are the one making a claim that goes against Academic and Historical consensus that they are Indian numerals. It is your responsibility to provide evidence. Please prove you are not just lying again.
For fun here is a small amount of evidence for the numbering system being Indian are:
Kitab al-fusul fi al-hisab al-Hindi
A very early Arabic work that states that before the use of Indian numerals, Arabic people's used their fingers to count.
As was analysed here:
The Earliest Extant Arabic Arithmetic: Kitab al-Fusul fi al Hisab al-Hindi of Abu al-Hasan, Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Uqlidisi
A. S. Saidan
Isis , Vol. 57, No. 4 (Winter, 1966), pp. 475-490
Liber abaci by Fibonacci, One of the first works of European mathematics
Refers to them as Indian numerals.
I could fill a book with evidence for them being Indian. It is so fun catching you in lies :). Only reason I still talk to you.
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http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0707/0707.3279.pdf
The modern day numbering system we are using today DID originate from the Arabic Alphabet. Check page 3.
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You managed to find a non-peer reviewed article by an Algerian physicist writing outside of his field on history.
To make his argument he references a previous paper authored by himself in which he claims to have found the original numerals from a manuscript. The date of the manuscript you might ask? 1810AD.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAhahahahahha
Now because this 1810 manuscript has numbers that he feels look similar to modern numerals, he feels that they obviously are the true origin. Let me repeat because an Algerian manuscript written in the 19th century used numbers that looked liked modern western numerals, he feels that Algeria or lands around it were the inventor of the modern numerals as we use them. :D
That is comedy GOLD. Please send more similar papers if you find them. That was genuinely the funniest failed attempt at academia I have ever seen.
I didn't think I my respect for you could sink any lower but by using that as reference you have managed it. Congratulations.
This physicist is also a global warming denier by the way. Great credibility. :)
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Because the Ghubari text looked very similar to modern day English numerals, you are telling me it is not credible because the author isn't a historian, and he also doesn't believe in global warming? So the similarity is just a coincidence on his part.
I guess all of the other 26 references he used are not credible either. Bummer.
Ignore the fact that the manuscript, the ghubari text and the Arabic alphabet look very similar to the modern day numerals we are using.
It's not like a physicist uses numbers at all, and it's not like you used a European mathematician as reference at all.
"I could fill a book with evidence for them being Indian. It is so fun catching you in lies :)."
Yes, Great credibility on your part. :) Your words are facts themselves after all.
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"Ghubari text looked very similar to modern day English numerals, you are telling me it is not credible because the author isn't a historian, and he also doesn't believe in global warming?"
No, I'm telling you it isn't credible historical evidence because it was written in 1810. Of course it looks like modern numerals, many people in 1810 used modern numerals. The rest is just a bonus :).
"the Arabic alphabet look very similar to the modern day numerals we are using."
Alright so if we ignore the 1810 Numerals. Let's compare the Arabic alphabet order he used with modern numerals right now:
ا Alif : 1 . Possible
ب Baa : 2 . No chance
ج Gim : 3 . Nope
د Del : 4 . Nope
ﻩ Haa : 5 . Nope
و Waw : 6 . Nope
ز Zin : 7 . Nope
ح Haa : 8 . Nope
ط Taa : 9 . Nope
"It's not like a physicist uses numbers at all, and it's not like you used a European mathematician as reference at all. "
Yeah because he uses numbers he is an expert on the history of numerals and because cave men used rocks they were experts on the history of those rocks, they were in fact expert geologists. I love talking to you it is so fun to laugh at the stupidity you amply demonstrate.
I referenced a historical figure as historical evidence there is no comparison.
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It's relevant in the sense that he would be interested in numbers.
Don't write his credibility completely off because he has a doctorate in physics. You referenced a mathematician, and then discredite the physicist I referenced. BIASED MUCH.
The Ghubari text was extremely relevant to the English numerals. Don't discredit it.
Holy crap, dude nobody knows exactly where Modern numbers originated from. Why do you think they're called Hindu-Arabic numerals vice versa. Even the educated scholars like to reference it as that.
It was fun showing your anti-Islamic Bias while it lasted though. :)
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"Holy crap, dude nobody knows exactly where our numbers originated from."
Your quote from earlier:
"The modern day numbering system we are using today DID originate from the Arabic Alphabet."
Thank you for admitting to being a liar in your own words. :D.