You speak of men as if they are all victims of some horrible female agenda, not I.Telling me to go fuck myself and then accusing ME if giving the emotional response? No. I will respond however I seem fit, to anyone who finds it in any way logical to use the argument "Males are superior to feImales but not all males are superior to females" make up your God damn mind already. Don't generalize and then pick apart minorities and call it a valid form of argument.
And dear God do something about your interpretation of the English language. I did not say that I am smarter than all males. While I'm fucking myself, why don't you reread the statement. Statistically speaking, I am of higher intelligence by most males in every country, hell, more so than most people in every country. I states males in general to poke at the irony that they see me as inferior in such countries. If I thought you'd get so pissy and blame me for your anger at society id have clarified.
When did I say that? I don't blame feminism for how men suffer, I blame society for allowing it to continue.
I have not said all men suffer from feminism, I am saying that the men that have and could have very little defense against it, especially when society will defend their arrogance.
"Go fuck yourself" was me implying that I strongly dissagree with you due to reason and logic, not emotion and sadness. Go fuck yourself are words, not emotions. Respond however you like, you just give me more reason to have the opinions I do. How you said how men that are victims of women are weak-willed pussies? However, if I was to say that about women being victims of men, you'd sit there and shout out "sexism, inequality, wah!". Yet you and many others think "I" have to change? Please.
Where did I say "Males are superior to feImales but not all males are superior to females"? I said "as a group males are better than females", and they are. Every society and civilization was man made. Don't play pick and mix with my points, it just means it needs explained again to explain to you what you already knew before deciding to try alter what I said.
What? You're saying that you are smarter than most people in every country, but saying you didn't say that? What are you on about? Make sense.
So you're saying that a racist that "hates" blacks would like black people? That's what you're saying? Because by your logic here, you said I hate women, how or why would I like a large groups of females, yet hate females? Why would I choose to befriend women, and actually like them, if I hated women? How could I hate and like them at the same time? Your logic there is just wrong there.
That would be like saying "You're a nazi, you hate jews, but you like jews".
Have you seen a fully blown racist be friends with a black person?
Have you seen an extremely homophobic person friends with a homosexual?
Ofcourse you haven't, it would make no sense. Why would someone befriend someone that they hate due to their opinions? Like you said "that's the best you can give me?"
If I don't like something, I don't want it. If I hated women, I wouldn't want them as friends. That's what I was explaining.
Jesus H. Christ buddy, you have one hell of a way to put words in my mouth.
"What? You're saying that you are smarter than most people in every country, but saying you didn't say that? What are you on about? Make sense."
Did you even recognize the word "statistically"? According to statistical, observable data, I am more intelligent than most people. It's called the bell curve and I am nearer towards the tip than most of your precious "male gender".
Yeah, society was created by males. Females didn't have shit to do with it. Yeah, males are the superior gender, depending on how you define superiority.
If superiority is constantly having to progress out of one's own destruction of the world, if superiority is killing, raping and torturing millions of men, women and children for the sake of your precious, precious progress, if superiority is depriving minorities and women of their rights, if superiority is working children at all hours to create your precious technology, all of which amounts to little but convenience needed only because of this male driven world, destruction of natural habitats, toxic waste dumped in your oceans and smog filling the air, causing disease and sickness for the sake of your precious progress, the same one that worked millions for 40+ years and stripped their retirements and then telling them that their social security is an entitlement benefit that they don't deserve, the same one that believes "The Male Gender is Superior" and forces their cocks into innocent women and children because they are nothing but objects, property, inferior.
If superiority amounts to the insatiable need to destroy, conquer and own every tree, rock, squirrel and square foot under neath your own feet then males truly are superior. "The Male Gender" as you say, did not build society. The conqueror did. The same one that could not draw the distinction between hunting animals for food and hunting their own brothers for wealth. Don't credit the entire male gender with this character flaw, that is destroying the society that it thought it was helping. That is unfair to the millions of men that your precious "Male Gender" slayed in an effort to conquer, while those men were content to hunt, live and be free.
If you're talking about the society where child obesity runs rampant, the rich ride their private jet planes while the poor starve, where computers have become Gods and convenience is the only word that matters, where selfishness runs free, where no matter how hard a woman works she will never be paid as much as her male counterparts and society of the old world where "Progress" means little to the women that are raped and sold like mill-bred puppies every day, then thanks, "male gender". Thanks for your precious progress that makes life more convenient as society destroys itself in it's own greed.
Yeah, the male gender is superior, if that is the society and progress that you are talking about. Because that's "The Male Gender", dominate, be superior, and nothing else matters. You speak of the damage done to society because women, who were only historically recently given their rights now find it fit to complain, yet you say that we need to all "work together" while spouting that the female gender is inferior?
"I have always said, as a gender males are superior"
Yeah, you've always said that. While you are unlikely to respect me in this debate because you perceive that I am attacking males and ignore my explanation, most women will be unlikely to work with your debates so long as you continue the archaic mentality that the female gender is inferior to the male gender, why? Because you were able to fuck up the world the hardest? Because you were able to invent conveniences? Because you are the superior killers? Because you are physically stronger than us and have the right to kill female children so that you may outpopulate and outnumber women in countries such as China and the Phillipines making your domination over what was historically a gentle gender, bent on nothing more than nurturing young, caring for men, and proven to be ready and willing to pull their own weight when their lives are threatened?
Yeah, you're superior. And look at all of the good your "superiority" has gotten us. Look around you. Look at society, this is the society that the male gender created. If you're going to give credit to the male gender for it's creation of society, give credit to the male gender for society's problems, in other words, you men created this problem, like every other problem (climate change, high crime rates, the military/prison industrial complex) and now you men need to solve it, preferably without us.
But that's not how it's going to work, because as usual, us ladies will be willing to help our men no matter how badly we are beaten down. That's just the amount of loyalty we have to our society. That's the spirit of cooperation. That's what makes a woman a woman.
"males are the superior gender" mentality. Good going.
If you wish to keep this debate up, then at least do me the courtesy that you do every other competitor and give me something more than half-assed insults like "go fuck yourself" and "you're emotional" or "your sexist" or bullshit anecdotal evidence compiled with false and poorly researched sociological assumptions as well as personal blame for your "view on society" and angry dribble. At least do me the common courtesy of giving me a halfway decent, logically put together debate that I can work with. You love putting your all into these debates, but all I have seen here is blatant lack of regard for the argument at hand, which is this:
In no way, do men have it "just as hard" in said countries, than women. Men may have it hard, but not "just as hard". There is no way, theoretically, statistically or realistically, that a man would have it "just as hard" in a country that feels the way you do (that the male gender is superior) and treats women as property by virtue of their gender. The male risk factors are there, but due to this violation of rights that don't exist in this country, the risk factors for women are automatically doubled, because now, not only are we foreigners, but we are property the second we step across that border. Unclaimed. Property. No matter which situation you speak of, unless the man has his face and a price for it plastered all over every wall, he only need assume the usual amount of caution anyone would have to assume in your average ghetto. Whilst I would be unclaimed property and an opportunity should I travel alone. All thanks to your
"Statistically" how are you smarter than most men in most countries?
Funny, how you are trying to imply that men's negatives are only what progressed humanity, yet you have no problem using such things that may have required such things? I don't see any of those things happening legally in our society nowadays, do you? I have never dissagreed that males are the leading cause of the negatives of the world, but I also believe they are the ones that have made the positives in the world.
You've complained about all those things, yet you are happy to use such things; progress of the human species.
Oh, so nearly every building you see today was not built by men? Jeez, a lot of concuerers in the construction industry nowadays, eh? Killing their brothers and all. Typical builders, right?
You are linking the negatives with the positives of what men have done. Yes, men have donw many evil things, just like they have done good things. Tell me, do you benefit more than you don't benefit from male contributions? Exactly.
The rich are rich because they earn it, the poor are poor because they never strived as much, unless they are countries in which pverty and famine are natural, in which I agree, we should help them more.
Is your idea here that since they are poor, the rich should be ppor, and that the ones that worked to get rich shouldn't be paid the amount they work for because the ones that aren't working as hard aren't getting the same amount of payment? The pay gap is a myth. There is just as much evidence that suggests that the majority of times women get paid less, is because males work longer, work harder conditions, and/or work in areas of more risk. If you think women deserve to be paid equal when they aren't doing as much as listed as the men, then that's your problem.
Where does this happen to women? Where the hell do you get this impression that this happens "legally", in which is connected with our society?
If our progress has caused so much harm and disaster, then why be a part of it? You like to sit there and say how evil men's progress is, yet like to sit and reap the benefits of such evil?
Incase you haven't noticed, the world is divided, we are focused on our own little areas of the world, and as much as I dislike it, it's how it is. Technology is humanity's greatest achievement, it makes us do what we originally thought impossible. Yes, casualties happen, but that is life, and nobody is forced to work to death unless they signed up for it in out legal system.
Yes, the male gender's superiority that you benefit from. If males haden't done what they done to progress humanity, we would most likely still be in an un-civilized world, and murder, rape, theft, brutality would all be increased incredibly, and the women would want this to happen, because just like most female animals in the animal kingdom, they want partners that show strength and dominance. Just like how women, as you imply, hated our ways of progression and dominance, your gender shunned males that didn't want to be part of it. During the wars, if a male wouldn't sign up for wars, females, it could be any female, would give them a white feather to symbolize being a coward. So don't act like your gender wasn't for this progression, because the majority of women were, not to mention you are aswell, otherwise you wouldn't like using so much of the inventions made by men today.
I would of respected you in this debate but you have gone too far in to the "fuck males, but I'd like to use their inventions" area for me to respect you here. I won't disrespect you intentionally, but respect is off the table.
The male gender is superior due to their contributions, due to their sacrifice, and due to their intelligence and willingness to progress involving risk. This is why I can't respect you here. You are saying we have done nothing but fuck up the world...Then why are you here? You aren't forced to become part of civilization and society, there are many areas in which escape civilization, yet you choose to stay in civilization, why? If the male gender has fucked up the world so bad, why are you still here when you can go elsewhere and live in a way that would be the same as if men haven't progressed anything? Why are you still here? You have never been forced to stay in civilization, yet you are saaying it is so terrible, then leave. Nobody is stopping you, just leave this, in your opinion, evil, negative, hate filled society and live a more primal life, go right ahead. But you won't, and you know why, because you benefit far more by being part of a world men have made than the one untouched by males.
It wasn't our violence, evil, and negativity that built the progression of humanity, it was the strength to build, the intelligence to invent tools, the instinct to hunt for food, and so on. Do you really think women would have it better off if we hadn't evolved humanity? Do you really think the primal state of humanity respects women nearly to the amount we do today?
Like I have said many times, I accept that the male gender has done the worst, just like I say the male gender has also done the best for humanity. Secondly, do you honestly think that what we class as "crime" more evil and brutal than what our species done in primal times, really? Do you think that the crimes today are far worse than the exact same actions we call crime in our primal state? If so, I am amazed. Our idea of "crime" happened far worse and far more frequently in our primal stage than it does now, so yes, thanks to the male gender we have decreased the amount of "crime" done by our species.
These problems can't be stopped at this time, and or can't at all. You are trying to tell me males have to try and stop crime from happening at all? It's impossible, crime is already illegal, a lot of it is due to enviromental upbringing and/or mental problems. If you think crime is something that can be fixed, you are asking too much of anyone. The only way crime can be stopped or greately reduced is if our rights were on a very short leesh, and you strike me as the person now that would complain about how men put society in a short leesh after solving the problem you originally said needs to be stopped.
Yes, I will look around me. Do you know what I see? Greatness. I see myself communicating with someone on the other end of the world by the touch of a key buttons and a few clicks. I see four walls built around me. I feel heat without a naked flame, I see light in the darkness. I see a bed that will keep me warm during my sleep. I see vehicles that can make the human travel than they originally thought impossible. I hear music in my ears played out by a few clicks of a button. I see information right at my finger tips due to the access to the internet. I see food and water easily accessed, I feel the clothing on my back and the shoes on my feet. I know that if I get injured, I can be healed. I see intelligence, I see images that can give me entertainment, we can now fly, and I see, feel, hear, smell, taste so much more than could make a book load of things. I see everything our primal species thought impossible mainly due to the male gender.
Yes, that's what makes you a woman, willing to help, but not as willing to die. Your idea of willing to help is far different from the male version. The male gender have sacrificed their lives far more than your gender has for their countries. No matter how many of our friends we see killed in war, we continue fighting, for our countries, yet you complain about being beaten down.
Your spirit of cooperation is limited compared to the male version, it is our cooperation and sacrifice that made it even possible for you to live happily, but yeah, you females do just as much, regardless of deaths in the military and in wars showing a clear difference in sacrifice. Good going.
The spirit of cooperation is the male, because without their cooperation, society would never have come this far.
Don't, just don't. You do not get to decide what logical is unless you have proven me wrong, which you haven't. So far "your" argument has been nothing but "You destroyed us, boohoo, hey, is that heat coming to me, is that a light I can just switch on?" speech.
This is why I can't respect you on here, once again. I have done nothing but say I want 100%, unconditional, cold equality. I want equality, I want it so bad. I want it because women don't want it, I want it so they can see that while they expect to get positives of being male, they wouldn't be able to handle the negatives. I knew certain areas of the world are worse for women, I never dissagreed to that. Where have I said women should be treated like property? You sit there and insult my argument, yet you are putting words in my mouth saying that I believe things I don't believe. Don't sit there and say I have no logic here when your logic is built up on your opinion on my opinions.
I love how you so stupidly state that my mentality is "fuck men". Yeah, I fuck men. Got a problem with that? Because I hate men, because I am not grateful for the inventions that men, not all men, but a number of men, AND WOMEN, have given me. Yeah, most inventions were made by men, but not all men. I refuse to be grateful to all men because of the achievements of a few of their kind, just as I believe that men should not worship all women just because of the achievements of our kind, whether or not you choose to measure achievement by amount of materials cranked out. I wonder if you are the kind of person that would judge the physical fitness of a man in a wheelchair on his ability to run. Or maybe my intelligence hinges on my ability to fix my car myself.
Yeah, "fuck men". Let's go by your logic, shall we? You have female friends, therefore you don't hold negativity against women. Well, my husband is a male. I fuck him, cook him dinner, work more hours than him (he is dyslexic and needs to focus more on school than I do. I have an IQ of 130, I don't study and I do fine. He can't do that. By the way, the IQ measurement was invented by men and administered by a man, and a man has admitted, by disclosure to me of said test results, that by virtue of my IQ, I am intellectually superior to most people. I only pointed out that I am intellectually superior to most men in said third-world countries as a focal point of irony, in that they feel that I am inferior but the numbers say otherwise. Or maybe it is because I am physically inferior. Because, you know, that's all progress requires.), and my job is tougher than his. I love him and I respect him, just like I love my "father", just like I love my friends, the majority of which are males.
Let me make this perfectly clear to you. Women in developed countries such as ours have our rights. And no one will preach harder than me that women need to step up and take the independence they love spouting off about. No one will preach harder than me that for a woman to claim that she is strong and deserves her rights and is for equality yet clings to the old notion that men are supposed to take care of women are downright fools and make us all look bad. I pay half the rent, he pays the other half. I clean the living room and bathroom, he does the laundry. I cook dinner, he does the dishes. I pay for the water, he pays for the electricity. Equality means that I give what I expect in return.
You want equality, yet you give me "Men are superior to women", and try to throw me down because I don't believe that women are inferior to men? You want equality, but you're going to call women inferior? If you can't see, how stupid "I want equality/The female gender is the inferior gender" is as a form of logic, than I can't help you.
I think people. Should respect all people. Regardless of race. Gender. Creed. Nationality. It's not an issue of gender, it is an issue of assholes, the women that I deal with every day that dress like prostitutes and wonder why they only date pimps. And yeah, society accepts it. No, that's not a good thing, but neither is being told that I am inferior because I am a female. You want us to act like equals, but proclaim that we are not? Once again, make up your goddam mind.
And yes, I know about the "pay myth" and I agree with you, I know the reasons and statistics and explanations etc. etc. Yes, when people look at this statistic, they sorely neglect to do their research.
But maybe, maybe, you should read the part where I said "When women who work just as hard as men". We're not talking about the fact that women lose productivity time because they choose to have children and must take maternity leave, or that women require more expensive health coverage, or that women require more days off, or that women are honestly convinced that they can focus their full attention on parenting and work at the same time (most of the time, with younger children, they can't), I am talking about a women who works as hard as a man and does as much as a man and still gets paid less. Not all women have children so early in their careers, I'm sorry to say.
I usually agree with you, because I do believe that my definition of equality is correct, that women should not expect from men without giving them something in return, because they have vaginas. I truly don't believe that "men are all bad" because women like to dupe themselves into thinking that jackasses will cease to be jackasses because they squeezed their spawn out of their vaginas, or that a man that won't commit to them financially, emotionally or legally, will commit to raising a child with them. Women were given freedoms and with freedom comes responsibility and there will be no such thing as equality until women, all women, have that freedom and use that freedom to direct their own fate, and not expect to be coddled based on their gender or physical weakness. Because physical weakness is abundant in men too.
Yeah, I'm tired of the bullshit. Yeah, I'm tired of women screaming for equality when they treat men as if they are not equal, but most of all, I don't not enjoy YOU screaming for equality and then telling me that we are not equals. And no matter what you say, I never will.
Not to mention, that you stated that men have it just as hard as women in said third world countries. This was a statement of pure ignorance. Your mentality is the mentality held by men in these countries that do treat those women as property, I figured you'd appreciate that, seeing as how you truly love generalization.
So far "your" argument has been nothing but "You destroyed us, boohoo, hey, is that heat coming to me, is that a light I can just switch on?" speech.
Yeah, I'M the one putting words in YOUR mouth. I would like to see direct quotes in which I stated this, please. Copy paste, if you will.
Since you seem hell bent on misinterpreting everything that I say, I'll make my points clear right now. If you are going to give credit to males for building society, then give them the credit for the problems that society is experiencing, including the ones that you are mentioning. Oh, now the male gender suddenly wants the equality that females and minorities have been fighting for for thousands of years? Well what do ya know?
Let's use your allusion of the building, for example, if an architect designs a beautiful building that is inherently flawed by design, who is to blame? The architect, or the tenants? Speaking of construction, yes, the building that I am looking at was built by men. Men are the physically stronger gender. Hence, the strength that built this building. Because that is what makes men superior, physical strength. There you go again, except this time, men are not victims of the female agenda, they are superior due to their strength. Because strength is what makes males great. As a woman who admires men of science, I'd like you to argue that with men such as Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking (especially Hawking), Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Benjamin Franklin, and other said men who are not famous for their physical abilities but for what their intelligence has to offer. See how a society does with all of the scientists killed due to your physical strength. See how far we progress. And yes, there is a price to progress.
I agree with you, the rich to earn their money, but maybe you have not picked up a newspaper. The reason why millions have lost their jobs, and millions of homes have been foreclosed is BECAUSE of those rich, powerful men letting their power get the best of them and their concern for good people. But I guess in your eyes, dominance is always necessary. I'm sure every woman on Earth would be thrilled and happy to sleep with Ben Bernanke, you know, the woman that probably caused their husband to lose his job and retirement account. Yeah, the wealthy and powerful are not responsible for the way our economy has turned. Take another Economics class and get back to me.
And speaking of your quest for dominance, yes, said building was made possible by the slaying of said innocents. Rarely is land ever begotten of anything but pure conquest. Ask the Native Americans, many of whom were males that would not have done the same. Hence why I say, modern society was formed by the conquerors. And speaking of conquest, I don't see it fit for you to tell me that my gender is inferior because I, like most men and women in this country, am not willing to go out and fight and die in some bullshit political war. In fact, most people in general do not want to fight and wage war. This makes us lesser people how? Oh, I'm sorry, my mistake, men fighting and killing each other to solve their problems rather than using their superior intellect to sit down and negotiate makes them superior. War is only necessary when both sides refuse to cooperate. Sending your own citizens to die does not make said uncooperative leader superior. Stubborn and superior are two different words. Hence, why they have two different meanings. I know, right? I'd happily join the military and fight for my country, but male dominated society states that a thyroid disorder (and subsequent health problems) is worth concern when it comes to enlistment. No, no, look it up, my genitalia and thyroid are two separate organs. Yes, yes, I do plan on going to my doctor and getting another blood test and improving my physical health so I will pass the MEPS physical. Now go look at the millions of other men that refuse to fight senseless wars.
Men are superior because they "gave" women rights, huh? So who the hell decided that they should have rights over us in the first place? Probably them, by virtue of their own physical strength, because, like you alluded to, physical strength is all men have to offer. Despite the mass of intellectuals that do not posses such great strength. Need to impress women with displays of power? That sounds like a personal problem between the both of you.
And you're going to sit here and tell me that you want equality while saying things like "The male gender is superior", which is a sexist statement. Let me explain it to you, one who obviously has not heard of a dictionary. Men created society and by virtue of that, men made these rules. Here goes!
When you believe that a race is inferior to yours, you're racist, and discriminating against the other race by determining their inferiority by virtue of the color of their skin, you are a racist.
When you believe that one is inferior to you because of their eye color, height, weight, creed, country of origin, religion, shoe size, color preference, hair color etc. you are prejudiced.
And to believe that I am inferior to you because of my gender is sexist. Don't like it? Take it up with the boys who wrote the Oxford Dictionary. Determining my value to society based on my genitalia and XX chromosomes is discrimination.
...If you didn't realize that I wasn't making a direct quote to what you have said, I was explaining in other words what it is you are saying while reaping the benefits of the things you are saying are the downfall of society, which you have said. You have implied our society created by males is a disaster, when in reality it is the best society created yet.
Yes, you said that, did you not read my reply at all? I just said I know males are responsible for most of the negatives in the world. Did you expect me to dissagree so you have a point, then when I agreed you couldn't accept that or something? Read this: I know the male gender has caused the most pain and negatives with the world, I have never dissagreed with that.
So then you imply that men wanting the protection of being a female is something that is suprising? If women didn't want the positives men want, men wouldn't ask for the positives women get, and if women want male positives, men deserve female positives.
Yes, and most architects are males and the ones that have designed the best buildings were male. So saying that strength is the only thing that helped us progress with building is just a bad point to make, because women could do their part in the construction business by being architects, that would contribute to the construction industry greatly, and physical strength wouldn't be a part of it.
I don't get the tenant part. Why would a tenant, someone that occupies the building be to blame there? They didn't plan or build the building...
Technology has advanced, there are many ways to contribute to the construction industry that wouldn't require nearly as much physical effort as we used to need to build, not to mention, yes women are weaker, that doesn't mean they are weak.
The reason why males are not a victim of that area is because it is a well known fact due to history, and if we were to be seen as equally strong as women, women would need to be part of the construction industry more...So in actual fact, that may not make victims of males, but it does protect females from having to physical work.
What are you on about? How can I take you seriously here, really? Where have I at all said that strength is the only thing we need to progress? Where did I say that? Because what you imply is that I think scientists that can't do hard labour and are men should be killed? What in the hell gave you that idea from me? Really? Why are you making up things that suggests I think such things just to prove a point that needs something I said to work, in which I never said the thing that your whole point is built on? Stick to things I have said, not things you think I have said or wish I did say.
The male brain is just as much, maybe more so what is responsible for our progression, our strength is just something that made it happen. An idea can't happen without the tools needed to make it a reality.
Every society has its problems, this is part of ours. Just as there are men messing up the economy, there are men trying to fix it. This goes back to one of my points; men are the worst and the best thing for society. The only difference is, would people even have this amount of security even with the economy so messed up if there was no society with an economy to start off with? Ofcourse not, what they have now would be considered that of riches if we hadn't made a society with economy, etc.
So your gender is so strong because they will support their men in...Average every day situations. Men are not better regardless of the male gender fighting in wars that they sacrificed their lives in? If there were no men to defend you in the previous wars, do you think you would have great life? Would you even be born? Most likely not. See, you are like many people when you say this, that's how you come across to me here, because we're not facing wars at this time, but if we were ever to go to full blown war again, you would think men are pathetic for not fighting to try save their country and everyone in it, regardless if women are barely on the front lines.
Yeah, and a lot of people didn't want to fight in the previous wars, and look what women done to those men; they called them cowards. When women didn't have as much right back then to do what they do today, yet even then they called them cowards for not going off to sacrifice themselves.
Like I said before, don't sit there and think men were the only ones thinking fighting was a good idea, women called men cowards when they thought similar things, so don't sit and think women were being intelligent on the matter and thinking "why don't we just work it all out?", because they were routing for males going out fighting for every war.
Something tells me the whole "crack some eggs to make an omlette" idea doesn't come clear to you. Sacrifice is needed in war, it is "needed". If you think we wouldn't be taken over, by say the nazis, if we didn't sacrifice, then there are no words to explain my disapointment in your logic there.
Go and join the military...Go ahead. It is much easier for women to get in to the military than for the men you know? All the tests are far easier, and less are expected of women to get in to the military. You will most likely not get put in the danger zones like the male soldiers do, but you will get paid just as much regardless of not being in as much danger. Say, I have an idea. How about you give some of your earnings to the male soldiers that do more work than you in the military instead of accepting the same pay for the least risk taken compared to others? But something tells me you wouldn't do that.
Honestly? I don't hate women, most of my friends are women, all of your great debates and that's the best you can give me? By the way, I'm not racist, I have hispanic and black friends! I'm also not a homophobe, I have gay friends, but I'm against gay marriage because straight people have contributed more to society! Took that one too far but I couldn't resist. I expected better than go fuck yourself you sexist reason why I am way I am I don't hate women I have chick friends. I am disappoint.
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You speak of men as if they are all victims of some horrible female agenda, not I.Telling me to go fuck myself and then accusing ME if giving the emotional response? No. I will respond however I seem fit, to anyone who finds it in any way logical to use the argument "Males are superior to feImales but not all males are superior to females" make up your God damn mind already. Don't generalize and then pick apart minorities and call it a valid form of argument.
And dear God do something about your interpretation of the English language. I did not say that I am smarter than all males. While I'm fucking myself, why don't you reread the statement. Statistically speaking, I am of higher intelligence by most males in every country, hell, more so than most people in every country. I states males in general to poke at the irony that they see me as inferior in such countries. If I thought you'd get so pissy and blame me for your anger at society id have clarified.
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When did I say that? I don't blame feminism for how men suffer, I blame society for allowing it to continue.
I have not said all men suffer from feminism, I am saying that the men that have and could have very little defense against it, especially when society will defend their arrogance.
"Go fuck yourself" was me implying that I strongly dissagree with you due to reason and logic, not emotion and sadness. Go fuck yourself are words, not emotions. Respond however you like, you just give me more reason to have the opinions I do. How you said how men that are victims of women are weak-willed pussies? However, if I was to say that about women being victims of men, you'd sit there and shout out "sexism, inequality, wah!". Yet you and many others think "I" have to change? Please.
Where did I say "Males are superior to feImales but not all males are superior to females"? I said "as a group males are better than females", and they are. Every society and civilization was man made. Don't play pick and mix with my points, it just means it needs explained again to explain to you what you already knew before deciding to try alter what I said.
What? You're saying that you are smarter than most people in every country, but saying you didn't say that? What are you on about? Make sense.
So you're saying that a racist that "hates" blacks would like black people? That's what you're saying? Because by your logic here, you said I hate women, how or why would I like a large groups of females, yet hate females? Why would I choose to befriend women, and actually like them, if I hated women? How could I hate and like them at the same time? Your logic there is just wrong there.
That would be like saying "You're a nazi, you hate jews, but you like jews".
Have you seen a fully blown racist be friends with a black person?
Have you seen an extremely homophobic person friends with a homosexual?
Ofcourse you haven't, it would make no sense. Why would someone befriend someone that they hate due to their opinions? Like you said "that's the best you can give me?"
If I don't like something, I don't want it. If I hated women, I wouldn't want them as friends. That's what I was explaining.
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Jesus H. Christ buddy, you have one hell of a way to put words in my mouth.
"What? You're saying that you are smarter than most people in every country, but saying you didn't say that? What are you on about? Make sense."
Did you even recognize the word "statistically"? According to statistical, observable data, I am more intelligent than most people. It's called the bell curve and I am nearer towards the tip than most of your precious "male gender".
Yeah, society was created by males. Females didn't have shit to do with it. Yeah, males are the superior gender, depending on how you define superiority.
If superiority is constantly having to progress out of one's own destruction of the world, if superiority is killing, raping and torturing millions of men, women and children for the sake of your precious, precious progress, if superiority is depriving minorities and women of their rights, if superiority is working children at all hours to create your precious technology, all of which amounts to little but convenience needed only because of this male driven world, destruction of natural habitats, toxic waste dumped in your oceans and smog filling the air, causing disease and sickness for the sake of your precious progress, the same one that worked millions for 40+ years and stripped their retirements and then telling them that their social security is an entitlement benefit that they don't deserve, the same one that believes "The Male Gender is Superior" and forces their cocks into innocent women and children because they are nothing but objects, property, inferior.
If superiority amounts to the insatiable need to destroy, conquer and own every tree, rock, squirrel and square foot under neath your own feet then males truly are superior. "The Male Gender" as you say, did not build society. The conqueror did. The same one that could not draw the distinction between hunting animals for food and hunting their own brothers for wealth. Don't credit the entire male gender with this character flaw, that is destroying the society that it thought it was helping. That is unfair to the millions of men that your precious "Male Gender" slayed in an effort to conquer, while those men were content to hunt, live and be free.
If you're talking about the society where child obesity runs rampant, the rich ride their private jet planes while the poor starve, where computers have become Gods and convenience is the only word that matters, where selfishness runs free, where no matter how hard a woman works she will never be paid as much as her male counterparts and society of the old world where "Progress" means little to the women that are raped and sold like mill-bred puppies every day, then thanks, "male gender". Thanks for your precious progress that makes life more convenient as society destroys itself in it's own greed.
Yeah, the male gender is superior, if that is the society and progress that you are talking about. Because that's "The Male Gender", dominate, be superior, and nothing else matters. You speak of the damage done to society because women, who were only historically recently given their rights now find it fit to complain, yet you say that we need to all "work together" while spouting that the female gender is inferior?
"I have always said, as a gender males are superior"
Yeah, you've always said that. While you are unlikely to respect me in this debate because you perceive that I am attacking males and ignore my explanation, most women will be unlikely to work with your debates so long as you continue the archaic mentality that the female gender is inferior to the male gender, why? Because you were able to fuck up the world the hardest? Because you were able to invent conveniences? Because you are the superior killers? Because you are physically stronger than us and have the right to kill female children so that you may outpopulate and outnumber women in countries such as China and the Phillipines making your domination over what was historically a gentle gender, bent on nothing more than nurturing young, caring for men, and proven to be ready and willing to pull their own weight when their lives are threatened?
Yeah, you're superior. And look at all of the good your "superiority" has gotten us. Look around you. Look at society, this is the society that the male gender created. If you're going to give credit to the male gender for it's creation of society, give credit to the male gender for society's problems, in other words, you men created this problem, like every other problem (climate change, high crime rates, the military/prison industrial complex) and now you men need to solve it, preferably without us.
But that's not how it's going to work, because as usual, us ladies will be willing to help our men no matter how badly we are beaten down. That's just the amount of loyalty we have to our society. That's the spirit of cooperation. That's what makes a woman a woman.
"males are the superior gender" mentality. Good going.
If you wish to keep this debate up, then at least do me the courtesy that you do every other competitor and give me something more than half-assed insults like "go fuck yourself" and "you're emotional" or "your sexist" or bullshit anecdotal evidence compiled with false and poorly researched sociological assumptions as well as personal blame for your "view on society" and angry dribble. At least do me the common courtesy of giving me a halfway decent, logically put together debate that I can work with. You love putting your all into these debates, but all I have seen here is blatant lack of regard for the argument at hand, which is this:
In no way, do men have it "just as hard" in said countries, than women. Men may have it hard, but not "just as hard". There is no way, theoretically, statistically or realistically, that a man would have it "just as hard" in a country that feels the way you do (that the male gender is superior) and treats women as property by virtue of their gender. The male risk factors are there, but due to this violation of rights that don't exist in this country, the risk factors for women are automatically doubled, because now, not only are we foreigners, but we are property the second we step across that border. Unclaimed. Property. No matter which situation you speak of, unless the man has his face and a price for it plastered all over every wall, he only need assume the usual amount of caution anyone would have to assume in your average ghetto. Whilst I would be unclaimed property and an opportunity should I travel alone. All thanks to your
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"Statistically" how are you smarter than most men in most countries?
Funny, how you are trying to imply that men's negatives are only what progressed humanity, yet you have no problem using such things that may have required such things? I don't see any of those things happening legally in our society nowadays, do you? I have never dissagreed that males are the leading cause of the negatives of the world, but I also believe they are the ones that have made the positives in the world.
You've complained about all those things, yet you are happy to use such things; progress of the human species.
Oh, so nearly every building you see today was not built by men? Jeez, a lot of concuerers in the construction industry nowadays, eh? Killing their brothers and all. Typical builders, right?
You are linking the negatives with the positives of what men have done. Yes, men have donw many evil things, just like they have done good things. Tell me, do you benefit more than you don't benefit from male contributions? Exactly.
The rich are rich because they earn it, the poor are poor because they never strived as much, unless they are countries in which pverty and famine are natural, in which I agree, we should help them more.
Is your idea here that since they are poor, the rich should be ppor, and that the ones that worked to get rich shouldn't be paid the amount they work for because the ones that aren't working as hard aren't getting the same amount of payment? The pay gap is a myth. There is just as much evidence that suggests that the majority of times women get paid less, is because males work longer, work harder conditions, and/or work in areas of more risk. If you think women deserve to be paid equal when they aren't doing as much as listed as the men, then that's your problem.
Where does this happen to women? Where the hell do you get this impression that this happens "legally", in which is connected with our society?
If our progress has caused so much harm and disaster, then why be a part of it? You like to sit there and say how evil men's progress is, yet like to sit and reap the benefits of such evil?
Incase you haven't noticed, the world is divided, we are focused on our own little areas of the world, and as much as I dislike it, it's how it is. Technology is humanity's greatest achievement, it makes us do what we originally thought impossible. Yes, casualties happen, but that is life, and nobody is forced to work to death unless they signed up for it in out legal system.
Yes, the male gender's superiority that you benefit from. If males haden't done what they done to progress humanity, we would most likely still be in an un-civilized world, and murder, rape, theft, brutality would all be increased incredibly, and the women would want this to happen, because just like most female animals in the animal kingdom, they want partners that show strength and dominance. Just like how women, as you imply, hated our ways of progression and dominance, your gender shunned males that didn't want to be part of it. During the wars, if a male wouldn't sign up for wars, females, it could be any female, would give them a white feather to symbolize being a coward. So don't act like your gender wasn't for this progression, because the majority of women were, not to mention you are aswell, otherwise you wouldn't like using so much of the inventions made by men today.
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I would of respected you in this debate but you have gone too far in to the "fuck males, but I'd like to use their inventions" area for me to respect you here. I won't disrespect you intentionally, but respect is off the table.
The male gender is superior due to their contributions, due to their sacrifice, and due to their intelligence and willingness to progress involving risk. This is why I can't respect you here. You are saying we have done nothing but fuck up the world...Then why are you here? You aren't forced to become part of civilization and society, there are many areas in which escape civilization, yet you choose to stay in civilization, why? If the male gender has fucked up the world so bad, why are you still here when you can go elsewhere and live in a way that would be the same as if men haven't progressed anything? Why are you still here? You have never been forced to stay in civilization, yet you are saaying it is so terrible, then leave. Nobody is stopping you, just leave this, in your opinion, evil, negative, hate filled society and live a more primal life, go right ahead. But you won't, and you know why, because you benefit far more by being part of a world men have made than the one untouched by males.
It wasn't our violence, evil, and negativity that built the progression of humanity, it was the strength to build, the intelligence to invent tools, the instinct to hunt for food, and so on. Do you really think women would have it better off if we hadn't evolved humanity? Do you really think the primal state of humanity respects women nearly to the amount we do today?
Like I have said many times, I accept that the male gender has done the worst, just like I say the male gender has also done the best for humanity. Secondly, do you honestly think that what we class as "crime" more evil and brutal than what our species done in primal times, really? Do you think that the crimes today are far worse than the exact same actions we call crime in our primal state? If so, I am amazed. Our idea of "crime" happened far worse and far more frequently in our primal stage than it does now, so yes, thanks to the male gender we have decreased the amount of "crime" done by our species.
These problems can't be stopped at this time, and or can't at all. You are trying to tell me males have to try and stop crime from happening at all? It's impossible, crime is already illegal, a lot of it is due to enviromental upbringing and/or mental problems. If you think crime is something that can be fixed, you are asking too much of anyone. The only way crime can be stopped or greately reduced is if our rights were on a very short leesh, and you strike me as the person now that would complain about how men put society in a short leesh after solving the problem you originally said needs to be stopped.
Yes, I will look around me. Do you know what I see? Greatness. I see myself communicating with someone on the other end of the world by the touch of a key buttons and a few clicks. I see four walls built around me. I feel heat without a naked flame, I see light in the darkness. I see a bed that will keep me warm during my sleep. I see vehicles that can make the human travel than they originally thought impossible. I hear music in my ears played out by a few clicks of a button. I see information right at my finger tips due to the access to the internet. I see food and water easily accessed, I feel the clothing on my back and the shoes on my feet. I know that if I get injured, I can be healed. I see intelligence, I see images that can give me entertainment, we can now fly, and I see, feel, hear, smell, taste so much more than could make a book load of things. I see everything our primal species thought impossible mainly due to the male gender.
Yes, that's what makes you a woman, willing to help, but not as willing to die. Your idea of willing to help is far different from the male version. The male gender have sacrificed their lives far more than your gender has for their countries. No matter how many of our friends we see killed in war, we continue fighting, for our countries, yet you complain about being beaten down.
Your spirit of cooperation is limited compared to the male version, it is our cooperation and sacrifice that made it even possible for you to live happily, but yeah, you females do just as much, regardless of deaths in the military and in wars showing a clear difference in sacrifice. Good going.
The spirit of cooperation is the male, because without their cooperation, society would never have come this far.
Don't, just don't. You do not get to decide what logical is unless you have proven me wrong, which you haven't. So far "your" argument has been nothing but "You destroyed us, boohoo, hey, is that heat coming to me, is that a light I can just switch on?" speech.
This is why I can't respect you on here, once again. I have done nothing but say I want 100%, unconditional, cold equality. I want equality, I want it so bad. I want it because women don't want it, I want it so they can see that while they expect to get positives of being male, they wouldn't be able to handle the negatives. I knew certain areas of the world are worse for women, I never dissagreed to that. Where have I said women should be treated like property? You sit there and insult my argument, yet you are putting words in my mouth saying that I believe things I don't believe. Don't sit there and say I have no logic here when your logic is built up on your opinion on my opinions.
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I love how you so stupidly state that my mentality is "fuck men". Yeah, I fuck men. Got a problem with that? Because I hate men, because I am not grateful for the inventions that men, not all men, but a number of men, AND WOMEN, have given me. Yeah, most inventions were made by men, but not all men. I refuse to be grateful to all men because of the achievements of a few of their kind, just as I believe that men should not worship all women just because of the achievements of our kind, whether or not you choose to measure achievement by amount of materials cranked out. I wonder if you are the kind of person that would judge the physical fitness of a man in a wheelchair on his ability to run. Or maybe my intelligence hinges on my ability to fix my car myself.
Yeah, "fuck men". Let's go by your logic, shall we? You have female friends, therefore you don't hold negativity against women. Well, my husband is a male. I fuck him, cook him dinner, work more hours than him (he is dyslexic and needs to focus more on school than I do. I have an IQ of 130, I don't study and I do fine. He can't do that. By the way, the IQ measurement was invented by men and administered by a man, and a man has admitted, by disclosure to me of said test results, that by virtue of my IQ, I am intellectually superior to most people. I only pointed out that I am intellectually superior to most men in said third-world countries as a focal point of irony, in that they feel that I am inferior but the numbers say otherwise. Or maybe it is because I am physically inferior. Because, you know, that's all progress requires.), and my job is tougher than his. I love him and I respect him, just like I love my "father", just like I love my friends, the majority of which are males.
Let me make this perfectly clear to you. Women in developed countries such as ours have our rights. And no one will preach harder than me that women need to step up and take the independence they love spouting off about. No one will preach harder than me that for a woman to claim that she is strong and deserves her rights and is for equality yet clings to the old notion that men are supposed to take care of women are downright fools and make us all look bad. I pay half the rent, he pays the other half. I clean the living room and bathroom, he does the laundry. I cook dinner, he does the dishes. I pay for the water, he pays for the electricity. Equality means that I give what I expect in return.
You want equality, yet you give me "Men are superior to women", and try to throw me down because I don't believe that women are inferior to men? You want equality, but you're going to call women inferior? If you can't see, how stupid "I want equality/The female gender is the inferior gender" is as a form of logic, than I can't help you.
I think people. Should respect all people. Regardless of race. Gender. Creed. Nationality. It's not an issue of gender, it is an issue of assholes, the women that I deal with every day that dress like prostitutes and wonder why they only date pimps. And yeah, society accepts it. No, that's not a good thing, but neither is being told that I am inferior because I am a female. You want us to act like equals, but proclaim that we are not? Once again, make up your goddam mind.
And yes, I know about the "pay myth" and I agree with you, I know the reasons and statistics and explanations etc. etc. Yes, when people look at this statistic, they sorely neglect to do their research.
But maybe, maybe, you should read the part where I said "When women who work just as hard as men". We're not talking about the fact that women lose productivity time because they choose to have children and must take maternity leave, or that women require more expensive health coverage, or that women require more days off, or that women are honestly convinced that they can focus their full attention on parenting and work at the same time (most of the time, with younger children, they can't), I am talking about a women who works as hard as a man and does as much as a man and still gets paid less. Not all women have children so early in their careers, I'm sorry to say.
I usually agree with you, because I do believe that my definition of equality is correct, that women should not expect from men without giving them something in return, because they have vaginas. I truly don't believe that "men are all bad" because women like to dupe themselves into thinking that jackasses will cease to be jackasses because they squeezed their spawn out of their vaginas, or that a man that won't commit to them financially, emotionally or legally, will commit to raising a child with them. Women were given freedoms and with freedom comes responsibility and there will be no such thing as equality until women, all women, have that freedom and use that freedom to direct their own fate, and not expect to be coddled based on their gender or physical weakness. Because physical weakness is abundant in men too.
Yeah, I'm tired of the bullshit. Yeah, I'm tired of women screaming for equality when they treat men as if they are not equal, but most of all, I don't not enjoy YOU screaming for equality and then telling me that we are not equals. And no matter what you say, I never will.
Not to mention, that you stated that men have it just as hard as women in said third world countries. This was a statement of pure ignorance. Your mentality is the mentality held by men in these countries that do treat those women as property, I figured you'd appreciate that, seeing as how you truly love generalization.
So far "your" argument has been nothing but "You destroyed us, boohoo, hey, is that heat coming to me, is that a light I can just switch on?" speech.
Yeah, I'M the one putting words in YOUR mouth. I would like to see direct quotes in which I stated this, please. Copy paste, if you will.
Since you seem hell bent on misinterpreting everything that I say, I'll make my points clear right now. If you are going to give credit to males for building society, then give them the credit for the problems that society is experiencing, including the ones that you are mentioning. Oh, now the male gender suddenly wants the equality that females and minorities have been fighting for for thousands of years? Well what do ya know?
Let's use your allusion of the building, for example, if an architect designs a beautiful building that is inherently flawed by design, who is to blame? The architect, or the tenants? Speaking of construction, yes, the building that I am looking at was built by men. Men are the physically stronger gender. Hence, the strength that built this building. Because that is what makes men superior, physical strength. There you go again, except this time, men are not victims of the female agenda, they are superior due to their strength. Because strength is what makes males great. As a woman who admires men of science, I'd like you to argue that with men such as Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking (especially Hawking), Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Benjamin Franklin, and other said men who are not famous for their physical abilities but for what their intelligence has to offer. See how a society does with all of the scientists killed due to your physical strength. See how far we progress. And yes, there is a price to progress.
I agree with you, the rich to earn their money, but maybe you have not picked up a newspaper. The reason why millions have lost their jobs, and millions of homes have been foreclosed is BECAUSE of those rich, powerful men letting their power get the best of them and their concern for good people. But I guess in your eyes, dominance is always necessary. I'm sure every woman on Earth would be thrilled and happy to sleep with Ben Bernanke, you know, the woman that probably caused their husband to lose his job and retirement account. Yeah, the wealthy and powerful are not responsible for the way our economy has turned. Take another Economics class and get back to me.
And speaking of your quest for dominance, yes, said building was made possible by the slaying of said innocents. Rarely is land ever begotten of anything but pure conquest. Ask the Native Americans, many of whom were males that would not have done the same. Hence why I say, modern society was formed by the conquerors. And speaking of conquest, I don't see it fit for you to tell me that my gender is inferior because I, like most men and women in this country, am not willing to go out and fight and die in some bullshit political war. In fact, most people in general do not want to fight and wage war. This makes us lesser people how? Oh, I'm sorry, my mistake, men fighting and killing each other to solve their problems rather than using their superior intellect to sit down and negotiate makes them superior. War is only necessary when both sides refuse to cooperate. Sending your own citizens to die does not make said uncooperative leader superior. Stubborn and superior are two different words. Hence, why they have two different meanings. I know, right? I'd happily join the military and fight for my country, but male dominated society states that a thyroid disorder (and subsequent health problems) is worth concern when it comes to enlistment. No, no, look it up, my genitalia and thyroid are two separate organs. Yes, yes, I do plan on going to my doctor and getting another blood test and improving my physical health so I will pass the MEPS physical. Now go look at the millions of other men that refuse to fight senseless wars.
Men are superior because they "gave" women rights, huh? So who the hell decided that they should have rights over us in the first place? Probably them, by virtue of their own physical strength, because, like you alluded to, physical strength is all men have to offer. Despite the mass of intellectuals that do not posses such great strength. Need to impress women with displays of power? That sounds like a personal problem between the both of you.
And you're going to sit here and tell me that you want equality while saying things like "The male gender is superior", which is a sexist statement. Let me explain it to you, one who obviously has not heard of a dictionary. Men created society and by virtue of that, men made these rules. Here goes!
When you believe that a race is inferior to yours, you're racist, and discriminating against the other race by determining their inferiority by virtue of the color of their skin, you are a racist.
When you believe that one is inferior to you because of their eye color, height, weight, creed, country of origin, religion, shoe size, color preference, hair color etc. you are prejudiced.
And to believe that I am inferior to you because of my gender is sexist. Don't like it? Take it up with the boys who wrote the Oxford Dictionary. Determining my value to society based on my genitalia and XX chromosomes is discrimination.
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...If you didn't realize that I wasn't making a direct quote to what you have said, I was explaining in other words what it is you are saying while reaping the benefits of the things you are saying are the downfall of society, which you have said. You have implied our society created by males is a disaster, when in reality it is the best society created yet.
Yes, you said that, did you not read my reply at all? I just said I know males are responsible for most of the negatives in the world. Did you expect me to dissagree so you have a point, then when I agreed you couldn't accept that or something? Read this: I know the male gender has caused the most pain and negatives with the world, I have never dissagreed with that.
So then you imply that men wanting the protection of being a female is something that is suprising? If women didn't want the positives men want, men wouldn't ask for the positives women get, and if women want male positives, men deserve female positives.
Yes, and most architects are males and the ones that have designed the best buildings were male. So saying that strength is the only thing that helped us progress with building is just a bad point to make, because women could do their part in the construction business by being architects, that would contribute to the construction industry greatly, and physical strength wouldn't be a part of it.
I don't get the tenant part. Why would a tenant, someone that occupies the building be to blame there? They didn't plan or build the building...
Technology has advanced, there are many ways to contribute to the construction industry that wouldn't require nearly as much physical effort as we used to need to build, not to mention, yes women are weaker, that doesn't mean they are weak.
The reason why males are not a victim of that area is because it is a well known fact due to history, and if we were to be seen as equally strong as women, women would need to be part of the construction industry more...So in actual fact, that may not make victims of males, but it does protect females from having to physical work.
What are you on about? How can I take you seriously here, really? Where have I at all said that strength is the only thing we need to progress? Where did I say that? Because what you imply is that I think scientists that can't do hard labour and are men should be killed? What in the hell gave you that idea from me? Really? Why are you making up things that suggests I think such things just to prove a point that needs something I said to work, in which I never said the thing that your whole point is built on? Stick to things I have said, not things you think I have said or wish I did say.
The male brain is just as much, maybe more so what is responsible for our progression, our strength is just something that made it happen. An idea can't happen without the tools needed to make it a reality.
Every society has its problems, this is part of ours. Just as there are men messing up the economy, there are men trying to fix it. This goes back to one of my points; men are the worst and the best thing for society. The only difference is, would people even have this amount of security even with the economy so messed up if there was no society with an economy to start off with? Ofcourse not, what they have now would be considered that of riches if we hadn't made a society with economy, etc.
So your gender is so strong because they will support their men in...Average every day situations. Men are not better regardless of the male gender fighting in wars that they sacrificed their lives in? If there were no men to defend you in the previous wars, do you think you would have great life? Would you even be born? Most likely not. See, you are like many people when you say this, that's how you come across to me here, because we're not facing wars at this time, but if we were ever to go to full blown war again, you would think men are pathetic for not fighting to try save their country and everyone in it, regardless if women are barely on the front lines.
Yeah, and a lot of people didn't want to fight in the previous wars, and look what women done to those men; they called them cowards. When women didn't have as much right back then to do what they do today, yet even then they called them cowards for not going off to sacrifice themselves.
Like I said before, don't sit there and think men were the only ones thinking fighting was a good idea, women called men cowards when they thought similar things, so don't sit and think women were being intelligent on the matter and thinking "why don't we just work it all out?", because they were routing for males going out fighting for every war.
Something tells me the whole "crack some eggs to make an omlette" idea doesn't come clear to you. Sacrifice is needed in war, it is "needed". If you think we wouldn't be taken over, by say the nazis, if we didn't sacrifice, then there are no words to explain my disapointment in your logic there.
Go and join the military...Go ahead. It is much easier for women to get in to the military than for the men you know? All the tests are far easier, and less are expected of women to get in to the military. You will most likely not get put in the danger zones like the male soldiers do, but you will get paid just as much regardless of not being in as much danger. Say, I have an idea. How about you give some of your earnings to the male soldiers that do more work than you in the military instead of accepting the same pay for the least risk taken compared to others? But something tells me you wouldn't do that.
Honestly? I don't hate women, most of my friends are women, all of your great debates and that's the best you can give me? By the way, I'm not racist, I have hispanic and black friends! I'm also not a homophobe, I have gay friends, but I'm against gay marriage because straight people have contributed more to society! Took that one too far but I couldn't resist. I expected better than go fuck yourself you sexist reason why I am way I am I don't hate women I have chick friends. I am disappoint.
Apologies in advance for spelling error, this phone is ridiculous for touch screen controls.