Where could we create this? iin?

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Okay, guys, this is going to sound a little weird.

Based on what is currently going on in the world, I would like to create a state, where only atheists and agnostics were allowed.

I know what you are thinking - we already have China (and probably a couple more officially atheistic countries)! But they don't count as atheist states, because it is strongly encouraged to be irreligious there. I want to create a state where people _choose_ to be irreligious (=where people, who have chosen to be irreligious, can live).

I can't bear living among delusional people anymore. There are certainly tons of other people, who also would like to live among sane, irreligious people.

Where could we create such a state?

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  • dirtybirdy
    8 years ago | pl

    Why are you trying to create more divisions in society?

    Violationismist!!!

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      8 years ago | pl

      Me??? By trying to escape from insane people???

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  • kingofcarrotflowers
    8 years ago | pl

    It's called north Korea :s

    Also bad idea, because people have to right to believe in religion even if I don't

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    • Dad
      8 years ago | pl

      You mean they have the right to keep it to themselves.

      What if I came up to you and said the flying spaghetti monster is going to make you burn in hell. Would you think I'm fcking crazy :) ?? :D

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      • kingofcarrotflowers
        8 years ago | pl

        Yes, I also think people who tell me I'm going to burn in hell because I don't believe in god are crazy but I wouldn't tell them they weren't able to live in my town.

        ( edit )

        Okay crazy is too strong a word, I find it hard to believe that people still find comfort in religion and I find it hard to believe that in 2015 people still knock on my door telling me I'm essentially full of sin and need to be cleansed, the majority of religion is not insane, personally I find some of it ( not all ) ridiculous but some also kind of understandable and people have every right to believe it, the minority such as westboro baptist church yes, I would classify as insane,

        But I don't agree with people trying to convert others to religion, I wouldn't agree with a place in society just for thiests so I also don't agree with people trying to make others loose their faith or a place just for atheists and agnostics

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        • Dad
          8 years ago | pl

          There's this fine line between 'people' and religion itself.
          Quoting this line: "I also don't agree with people trying to make others loose their faith or a place just for atheists and agnostics".
          Would you agree with atheists trying to lose religion out of society matters? (say religious organizations shouldn't teach children, and religious organizations shouldn't have any bearing on politics either state or capital - just expanding on that, I'd suggest zero religious organizations on any society decision making at all)

          Generally religious organizations (and atheists) defend the individual 'person's' right to believe in superstitions. But the religious organization itself (as you say clearly) I find it hard to accept that in 2015 religion is still at our door (slightly reworded).

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          • kingofcarrotflowers
            8 years ago | pl

            That's a different thing entirely, religion should have no part in politics, its not a problem in the UK but it is in america, even though the founding fathers were all atheists, it's a matter of history and as you say society and politics it's not calling someone's belief out and it's not trying to disprove it, it's also not stopping these polititions from believing in a god, atheism shouldn't have a part in politics either though, religion ( or lack thereof ) should be removed from political decisions entirely

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            • Dad
              8 years ago | pl

              Well atheism is not even required without god believers.
              Lets call them humanists ;)
              Ones that make decisions for the people's benefit with no outside (way out) influences

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      8 years ago | pl

      I'm sorry, but have you read my post?

      People in North Korea haven't _chosen_ to be irreligious. Their leader dictated it to them.

      I doubt that religious people would miss us, if we decided to live away from them. And anyone who suddenly wanted to be a believer, would be free to leave anytime.

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      • kingofcarrotflowers
        8 years ago | pl

        You'd be telling people they can't live on a piece of land they otherwise might want to live n

        Also say someone believes, my mum for example one day suddenly started believing in god, if that happens the person would have to leave their home family and friends, sounds like a dictatorship to me

        Also one of my problems with religion is that we already have too many things dividing us, this just makes that worse

        Oh comparing it to north Korea was intended as a facetious joke it wasn't serious

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        • thegypsysailor
          8 years ago | pl

          My question is why would the religious wish to live in an place surrounded and governed by the irreligious?
          That makes no sense to me, unless it was to try to convert those unbelievers, which would definitely make them unwelcome.
          Liberia was founded by American blacks to create a state for former slaves, as was Sierra Leone, by the English. And there's Israel.
          So it's been done before, but unfortunately, it has yet to be anything but a miserable failure. Perhaps without religion it might work.

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          • kingofcarrotflowers
            8 years ago | pl

            No my point is this,

            My mum was an atheist, hardcore, she thought the idea of religion was stupid, one days she claims she woke up in the middle of the night filled with a sudden belief in god, if that happens to someone living here they'd be expelled from all they know, that's wrong

            If I'm honest I agree, I think the world could possibly be a better place without religion, im not sure, eithernway I just don't think anyone has the right to enforce it

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            • thegypsysailor
              8 years ago | pl

              Again, if someone changed their mind, wouldn't they want to move somewhere where they could find other, like minded people? I don't see it as expulsion so much as a voluntary decision to move.
              I would hope if a place was as enlightened as this imaginary place could be, that as long as the convertee wasn't trying to convert anyone else or build a church, they would not be forced to leave.

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  • anti-hero
    8 years ago | pl

    Sounds boring.

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  • Arm0se
    8 years ago | pl

    It's a bad idea. No matter where you go there will be super-pro God people that will try to destroy you for not believing what they believe. It's sad, but true.

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  • pixie44
    8 years ago | pl

    Go find a tiny island and ya all can just live in your own atheist paradise.

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  • WhoYouCallinPinhead
    8 years ago | pl

    I'd say Greenland, Switzerland, or Iceland. And perhaps not a state, but a district (including a athiest/agnostic city similar to the Vatican).

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  • shygirl99
    8 years ago | pl

    Imagine all the controversy that this place would cause... the religious people may be upset and angry that they're not allowed to live on this land just because they're religious. However, the non-religious people would probably enjoy it

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    • Avant-Garde
      8 years ago | pl

      If there can be a country strictly for gays only, then there can be a country for atheists and agnostics.

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      • anti-hero
        8 years ago | pl

        There is a gay only country?

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        • Unimportant
          8 years ago | pl

          Yes. Vatican.

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          • Avant-Garde
            8 years ago | pl

            Haha! Yes!!! They have sex parties with male prostitutes. ;) Oh! Who knew that the members of the cloth could be so naughty.

            (And, they're probably a safe haven for pedos.)

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        • Avant-Garde
          8 years ago | pl

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_Kingdom_of_the_Coral_Sea_Islands

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  • thegypsysailor
    8 years ago | pl

    I have beat you to it. I live in (on) that state, where everything that happens is of our choosing.
    It is time you learn to sail, get over your seasickness and buy yourself a sailboat. With solar and a windgen, you can become pretty self sufficient making your own drinking water and catching seafood, you need only pick up some fruit and veges now and then, from those deluded nuts who live in society.
    Make your own rules (or lack thereof) and live exactly as you please.
    Hippies of the sea, do not unite!

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    • RoseIsabella
      8 years ago | pl

      How do you make you own drinking water?

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      • thegypsysailor
        8 years ago | pl

        I built a Reverse osmosis unit that removes the salt from sea water. Beats bottled water hands down and no chlorine or other chemicals in the water. A U/V filter kills all the bacteria.

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  • Dad
    8 years ago | pl

    Good idea and its inevitable anyway.
    Wish you put that as an option :)

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  • mystery7
    8 years ago | pl

    What if your atheistic world view is the delusion?
    Just sayin'...

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    • Dad
      8 years ago | pl

      Um, no. But very funny concept.
      The atheist viewpoint is there's no evidence for a god, that is NOT delusional :)

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  • tokillanally
    8 years ago | pl

    Utah. Let's give the Mormons hell.

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  • dom180
    8 years ago | pl

    I don't see how that's different to what you say about China. If you're saying you'd throw them out if they chose to be religious, you are forcing them to be irreligious.

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  • howaminotmyself
    8 years ago | pl

    This would solve nothing. Treat others how you want to be treated, don't just flip the coin. It's pretty simple.

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    • Unimportant
      8 years ago | pl

      The golden rule? Okay, let's see.

      If I had a horrible idea (like, say, martyrdom, prohibition of pictures, prefererence of one gender over another), I would want someone to criticize it.

      Religious people, for the most part, do not want their horrible ideas criticized. They want to rejoice in their ignorance.

      Do you see why one might be sick of living among them?

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      • howaminotmyself
        8 years ago | pl

        You are lumping all religion into one category of badness. Not everyone behaves this way. What you criticize is power. Those in power have caused these problems and not the religion or faith in general. It is people who use these things to gain control. Having a lack of religion does not remove the human desire to control others.

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        • Unimportant
          8 years ago | pl

          Exactly. I criticize power. And what gives you more power, than the idea, that your actions are heavenly mandated?

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          • howaminotmyself
            8 years ago | pl

            Money.

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            • Unimportant
              8 years ago | pl

              Okay. Religious institutions, like the Catholic Church, usually have both - the idea that they have a direct line to god AND money.

              This idea of an omnipotent and omniscient imaginary friend is obviously not the only factor in people's delusions. But how can people refuse to recognize that it is a factor?

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    • Anonymous Post Author
      8 years ago | pl

      For the first time in history, we would have a state where reason prevailed over unjustified faith. I think, at least as an experiment, it would be useful.

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      • howaminotmyself
        8 years ago | pl

        Not the way you described it. You basically said lets force everyone to be atheist. It's the same as forcing someone to convert to Christianity. Some freedom that is.

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        • Anonymous Post Author
          8 years ago | pl

          You have read something that I didn't write.

          I wrote explicitly about "choice". A foreign concept to religious people, I know.

          I wrote: let's have at least one place on this planet, where reasonable people, who have "CHOSEN" to be irreligious, can live in peace with each other.

          Everyone who isn't religious, should not live there, but is obviously free to live as a religious person anywhere else.

          Where do I convert people to atheism?

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          • howaminotmyself
            8 years ago | pl

            You wrote "only atheists are allowed"

            And once you state that they are not allowed to do something, you create a choice. What if they change their mind?

            I am not religious but I sure dont want such rigid boundaries. I am sorry you have seen good people who happen to be religious too, but there are plenty who allow others the freedom of choices beyond their own set of beliefs.

            What you want is a commune, or a cult.

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