Please see my answer to RoyyRogers above about the longstanding legal tradition of all states in the USA to have the same if not very similar laws regarding children rights.
Why don't you understand that decent Republicans understand that children do have rights - and believe so much that they passed laws to protect them.
Please explain to me how protecting children is "far left" for most people in America (and most of the world as well).
I just feel like giving kids hormones is far left.
I'm genuinely curious because you have said in the past you are oldschool republican. Not just your opinion on this but other things you say seems to be to the left. Im curious what conservative values you have outside of guns.
Proper medical treatment for real conditions cannot be denied to children, with the one legal exception if you and your children are part of several religions that proscribe the use of all medical treatments (see below about how that really works). Doing so will get you charged with child abuse - and possibly murder if the child dies. Charges like this happens with some regularity in many states - as children do have legal rights.
It's a known scientific fact that some people are born hermaphroditic, or with other sexual mix ups. Admittedly this is fairly rare. However, for those cases surgery and hormone treatment is in fact medically appropriate once it is figured out to which sex the child identifies with - which may not be known until the teenage years.
Remember, my answer that started all of this was that it depends on a case by case evaluation, as this (as with many issues) is not a pure black and white situation with a simple answer. Some people fall into a grey area - and current laws and medical practice allow treating those people that fall their.
By the way, the bible also tells us to raise are children how they are (and not like we would want them to be). That's discussed (with the appropriate biblical references) in many books on the different personalities people have. But, the biblical references are more broader than that in the opinion of many biblical scholars - and I agree with them after my study of the bible.
Perhaps we have a different definition of what Republican should mean. I doubt that Ronald Reagan would be accepted by the current Republican party. Nor do I believe that Abraham Lincoln would be accepted either although it seems a lot of Republicans wish to claim him as their own - and he was part of the Whig party from which the Republican party formed and split from.
In my opinion - real Republicans (Democrats, etc.) know that extremely few issues are pure black and white; and allow for appropriate treatment of the grey cases; although the two major parties may disagree what that appropriate treatment is. However, given the similarity of laws across the United States on emancipated minors and child abuse standards its clear that there is not any major differences in approach by the two parties once they acknowledge that there is a grey" area that needs to be addressed.
As for how the religious exemption really works. Our main religious freedoms were actually established by the "Society of Friends" (Quakers) and the Christian Science Religion who believed that prayer and proper religious study heals all illnesses (Those are the two groups who faught major legal battles to establish what the religious rights are).
The Christian Science Church has its own hospitals, and have licensed Christian Science Nurse Practitioners and care provided by them is covered under all the state and federal medical reimbursement programs.
I have personally known a Christian Science Nurse Practitioner for over 40 years (from before she attended Christian Science nursing school and was Licensed). We dated several times and seriously discussed marriage twice in our life (and my wife has met her and approves of my ongoing friendship with her). She says that people getting medical treatments is common withing their religion for many situations - because it works for a lot of stuff; and its just not talked about. She herself is currently undergoing medical treatments. Of course, a select few of that religious group deny all medical treatment. The last time I looked it up (about 3 decades ago) people who follow the Christian Science religious practices, which does focus on healthy diets and exercise, tended to die on average about a decade sooner than other Americans from various diseases (the accidental death rate was the same). The mortality data was unmistakable - just not ever talked about within the church according to my friend. However, most people within that religion know that for certain things that medical treatment cures it.
Whats your opinion on children transitioning?
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Please see my answer to RoyyRogers above about the longstanding legal tradition of all states in the USA to have the same if not very similar laws regarding children rights.
Why don't you understand that decent Republicans understand that children do have rights - and believe so much that they passed laws to protect them.
Please explain to me how protecting children is "far left" for most people in America (and most of the world as well).
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I just feel like giving kids hormones is far left.
I'm genuinely curious because you have said in the past you are oldschool republican. Not just your opinion on this but other things you say seems to be to the left. Im curious what conservative values you have outside of guns.
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Proper medical treatment for real conditions cannot be denied to children, with the one legal exception if you and your children are part of several religions that proscribe the use of all medical treatments (see below about how that really works). Doing so will get you charged with child abuse - and possibly murder if the child dies. Charges like this happens with some regularity in many states - as children do have legal rights.
It's a known scientific fact that some people are born hermaphroditic, or with other sexual mix ups. Admittedly this is fairly rare. However, for those cases surgery and hormone treatment is in fact medically appropriate once it is figured out to which sex the child identifies with - which may not be known until the teenage years.
Remember, my answer that started all of this was that it depends on a case by case evaluation, as this (as with many issues) is not a pure black and white situation with a simple answer. Some people fall into a grey area - and current laws and medical practice allow treating those people that fall their.
By the way, the bible also tells us to raise are children how they are (and not like we would want them to be). That's discussed (with the appropriate biblical references) in many books on the different personalities people have. But, the biblical references are more broader than that in the opinion of many biblical scholars - and I agree with them after my study of the bible.
Perhaps we have a different definition of what Republican should mean. I doubt that Ronald Reagan would be accepted by the current Republican party. Nor do I believe that Abraham Lincoln would be accepted either although it seems a lot of Republicans wish to claim him as their own - and he was part of the Whig party from which the Republican party formed and split from.
In my opinion - real Republicans (Democrats, etc.) know that extremely few issues are pure black and white; and allow for appropriate treatment of the grey cases; although the two major parties may disagree what that appropriate treatment is. However, given the similarity of laws across the United States on emancipated minors and child abuse standards its clear that there is not any major differences in approach by the two parties once they acknowledge that there is a grey" area that needs to be addressed.
As for how the religious exemption really works. Our main religious freedoms were actually established by the "Society of Friends" (Quakers) and the Christian Science Religion who believed that prayer and proper religious study heals all illnesses (Those are the two groups who faught major legal battles to establish what the religious rights are).
The Christian Science Church has its own hospitals, and have licensed Christian Science Nurse Practitioners and care provided by them is covered under all the state and federal medical reimbursement programs.
I have personally known a Christian Science Nurse Practitioner for over 40 years (from before she attended Christian Science nursing school and was Licensed). We dated several times and seriously discussed marriage twice in our life (and my wife has met her and approves of my ongoing friendship with her). She says that people getting medical treatments is common withing their religion for many situations - because it works for a lot of stuff; and its just not talked about. She herself is currently undergoing medical treatments. Of course, a select few of that religious group deny all medical treatment. The last time I looked it up (about 3 decades ago) people who follow the Christian Science religious practices, which does focus on healthy diets and exercise, tended to die on average about a decade sooner than other Americans from various diseases (the accidental death rate was the same). The mortality data was unmistakable - just not ever talked about within the church according to my friend. However, most people within that religion know that for certain things that medical treatment cures it.