How could God rule for us? He may exist but all his wishes are open to interpretation. His words have been used to inspire some of the greatest and some of the most horrible events in human history.
"Without God we fail"
You're right in a way. To me God is an idea that's conscious of it's (his) own reality. In the ultimate sense God is Knowledge made aware but it sounds pretentious to sum him up with one word like that.
So yes if we have Knowledge (ie God) then we can overcome our primal instincts and elevate ourselves to something nearly divine as our Creator.
"Rome sucks"
Why don't you like Rome? Did you know that by 300AD the Roman Legions were made up mostly of the "foreigners" they conquered? That two of the emperors were African and Iberian?
Rome wasn't a city named Rome. It was an idea and through that idea Thracians, Guals, Numantians were united irrevocably into the Roman ideal.
It's a crucial message that speaks to acceptance, brotherhood and even redemption and that none of us are separated by anything except our own ideas. That all men are capable of living in harmony with one another.
Rome was an empire of filth and murder, which condoned and even normalized the molestation of children and the enforcement of combat upon slaves for amusement. They brutally murdered thousands of foreign peoples for sheer conquest (at least the U.S. makes up some excuse when they do it.) Rome is responsible for the corruption of Christianity, incorporating into it pagan ideas, and the acceptance of involvement in political affairs, nationalism, and even warfare, which has resulted in the array of millions of confused people today venerating idols, deifying Mary and the apostles, fearing Hell, and slaughtering each other, who all claim to be "Christians".
My ancestors, the Gauls and the Visigoths, laid ruin to Rome. If I were not so anti-violence, I would wish I had been there to help do it.
Many people today are of the opinion that religion inspires atrocious events. It does. Religion has proven to be the most destructive force in human history. Christianity in particular. It is a fullfillment of Bible prophecy: "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively." (2Peter 2:1-3)
That's true but what you fail to mention is that it was common throughout the ancient world. In ancient Judea women were married off at 12 or 11 so to say Rome was responsible for this is like saying that Portugal was responsible for the terrible practice of slavery just because they perpetuated that idea.
Rome's only crime was that they did not take a stand against that practice but instead embraced it as the rest of the world did.
"I almost wish I had been there to sack Rome"
In the vacuum of Rome's fall, where there was no centralised authority to protect the people, extremism and man's own selfish nature ruled in it's place. It was the Dark Ages.
Are you sure you want to be counted among those responsible for chaining man to the terrors of that horrible period of time?
"Religion has destroyed"
True but why are you counting Christianity among those? What evidence do you have that it's done anything but good for western civilization?
I should have said "Christendom". "Christianity" is the way of enlightenment founded by Jesus Christ, the son of God. "Christendom" is an umbrella term to refer to all religions claiming to be Christian, most of the heavily corrupted (watch for my story), as the Apostle Paul predicted. (2Timothy 4:3,4)
I'll admit you're right about the child molestation. That isn't even what bothers me the most. It is the veneration of violence among the Romans that fills me with repulsion, though I suppose even that is not totally unique to them. I still think it would be cool to be a Visigoth, though.
It's better to be violent and create peace then to be loving and breed war.
It's funny that you mention Catholicism. What should be done? If an idea destroys should it be destroyed? Should the priesthood be arrested? The cathedrals boarded up? What about Muslims, Atheists, New Age Intellectuals and Fascists? Racists, Hindus, Socialists and Buddhists? Should society forbid these ideas as well?
The world suffers because we've allowed everyone to go off into their own little corner and believe as they like but it won't be until we're all on the same wavelength that there exists peace among us.
But even then being on the same wavelength doesn't guarantee anything; it must be the right frequency or else the effort is doomed as it was for the USSR when they united under Communism.
"But it won't be until we're all on the same wavelength that there exists peace among us."
I couldn't agree more, and I respect anyone who isn't afraid to say that.
And I did not mention Catholicism. It's funny YOU mention that (I certainly was referring to it though). For the record, I do not think that any belief system should be legally suppressed; my own religious beliefs have undergone this enough.
What would you do if the draft is reinstated?
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How could God rule for us? He may exist but all his wishes are open to interpretation. His words have been used to inspire some of the greatest and some of the most horrible events in human history.
"Without God we fail"
You're right in a way. To me God is an idea that's conscious of it's (his) own reality. In the ultimate sense God is Knowledge made aware but it sounds pretentious to sum him up with one word like that.
So yes if we have Knowledge (ie God) then we can overcome our primal instincts and elevate ourselves to something nearly divine as our Creator.
"Rome sucks"
Why don't you like Rome? Did you know that by 300AD the Roman Legions were made up mostly of the "foreigners" they conquered? That two of the emperors were African and Iberian?
Rome wasn't a city named Rome. It was an idea and through that idea Thracians, Guals, Numantians were united irrevocably into the Roman ideal.
It's a crucial message that speaks to acceptance, brotherhood and even redemption and that none of us are separated by anything except our own ideas. That all men are capable of living in harmony with one another.
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Rome was an empire of filth and murder, which condoned and even normalized the molestation of children and the enforcement of combat upon slaves for amusement. They brutally murdered thousands of foreign peoples for sheer conquest (at least the U.S. makes up some excuse when they do it.) Rome is responsible for the corruption of Christianity, incorporating into it pagan ideas, and the acceptance of involvement in political affairs, nationalism, and even warfare, which has resulted in the array of millions of confused people today venerating idols, deifying Mary and the apostles, fearing Hell, and slaughtering each other, who all claim to be "Christians".
My ancestors, the Gauls and the Visigoths, laid ruin to Rome. If I were not so anti-violence, I would wish I had been there to help do it.
Many people today are of the opinion that religion inspires atrocious events. It does. Religion has proven to be the most destructive force in human history. Christianity in particular. It is a fullfillment of Bible prophecy: "However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively." (2Peter 2:1-3)
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"Rome was an empire of filth and murder"
O_o but tell me how you really feel.
"Normalized the molestation of children"
That's true but what you fail to mention is that it was common throughout the ancient world. In ancient Judea women were married off at 12 or 11 so to say Rome was responsible for this is like saying that Portugal was responsible for the terrible practice of slavery just because they perpetuated that idea.
Rome's only crime was that they did not take a stand against that practice but instead embraced it as the rest of the world did.
"I almost wish I had been there to sack Rome"
In the vacuum of Rome's fall, where there was no centralised authority to protect the people, extremism and man's own selfish nature ruled in it's place. It was the Dark Ages.
Are you sure you want to be counted among those responsible for chaining man to the terrors of that horrible period of time?
"Religion has destroyed"
True but why are you counting Christianity among those? What evidence do you have that it's done anything but good for western civilization?
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I should have said "Christendom". "Christianity" is the way of enlightenment founded by Jesus Christ, the son of God. "Christendom" is an umbrella term to refer to all religions claiming to be Christian, most of the heavily corrupted (watch for my story), as the Apostle Paul predicted. (2Timothy 4:3,4)
I'll admit you're right about the child molestation. That isn't even what bothers me the most. It is the veneration of violence among the Romans that fills me with repulsion, though I suppose even that is not totally unique to them. I still think it would be cool to be a Visigoth, though.
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It's better to be violent and create peace then to be loving and breed war.
It's funny that you mention Catholicism. What should be done? If an idea destroys should it be destroyed? Should the priesthood be arrested? The cathedrals boarded up? What about Muslims, Atheists, New Age Intellectuals and Fascists? Racists, Hindus, Socialists and Buddhists? Should society forbid these ideas as well?
The world suffers because we've allowed everyone to go off into their own little corner and believe as they like but it won't be until we're all on the same wavelength that there exists peace among us.
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"But it won't be until we're all on the same wavelength that there exists peace among us."
I couldn't agree more, and I respect anyone who isn't afraid to say that.
And I did not mention Catholicism. It's funny YOU mention that (I certainly was referring to it though). For the record, I do not think that any belief system should be legally suppressed; my own religious beliefs have undergone this enough.