Children are not capable of making certain decisions and apparently this particular girl has very poor judgement. Is that someone you would want deciding her own future, let alone the future of a child she will not be able to care for without assistance? Really?
Now you are just being ugly because you want to put me down. You can't possibly believe the shit you wrote above. I do not believe you are that ignorant, I just don't.
It's not like this is some love child with two loving parents and the support of both families, is it?
16 is not 12 - which according to you is old enough to know all about prostitution.
I have no clue how I could possibly NOT believe what I said. It's quite straightforward. I'm against violating a child's rights and probably fucking them up so severely that they in turn fuck up further and bigger in the future.
They used to forcibly take babies away from young, unmarried mothers. There's lots of indications that it severely traumatised both mothers and children.
You have advocated drugging and forcing what can be a traumatic (physically and emotionally) procedure. Destroying the relationship between the authoritarian dictator parent and the child who made a mistake. Fucking that kid up further. I also strongly doubt you could find someone willing to provide such a service. No medical practitioner with an ounce of ethics, anyway.
Perhaps a child at sixteen, with no support, would fuck her up, yes. But you don't know this individual, nor do I. And your "solution" is inhumane and, frankly, evil. I'm no pro lifer, but forcing abortion is fucking disgusting.
Children are not possessions. They are humans. They have rights. Sixteen is old enough to know better, according to you (and i would actually agree there - though your abstinence fix-all has been proven not to work, and is in fact more damaging - but too young to make decisions...you can't have it both ways there.
The step father is not under the same obligation as the girl's parents to support her. But support is precisely what she needs, and presumably what she didn't have, seeing as she is now in this situation.
I see you said nothing about your own "ungovernable" child. I also see you making comments elsewhere about others being unable to "control" their wife or daughter. People arent property to be controlled.
Your arguments are silly little girl dreams of prince charming and they live happily ever after.
Life isn't like that. Nobody who must live their life on government assistance feels good about it. Their child can't have too much pride in living that way. None of that is conducive to good mental health and at least in the US, often leads to alcohol, drug and physical abuse. You know that. And very often the cycle continues when the baby also has a child while still a child herself. You know that's true, too. There is no obligation to keep the child. The welfare of the baby should be paramount. And that is not going to be served by having an uneducated single parent on the dole.
My child raising decisions are not applicable. My daughter did not get pregnant until last year, as a mature, married woman.
But my question to you is why you even bother to respond to my posts? Is it only to be an asshole? Why not make your opinions known to the OP? He at least asked for people's opinion. I did not ask for yours.
Most of the time what you say doesn't make the tiniest bit of sense. It seems to be all female emotional drivel, like you are on your period every time you decide to attack me. Is that what's really going on here? You are silent for weeks at a time then bang, here you are in your PMS mode!
I do believe I've got your number now. Aha, eureka!
Cheap, misogynistic shots, when I've already explained to you that many a time I see you say something so completely misinformed, outright ludicrous, or just plain evil that I correct you. I know you can't understand that I don't see these horrific statements you probably make on an hourly basis, but I only see whatever you write on post I actually look at; I don't have the inclination or stomach to stalk your profile. I also know you can't understand that opposing your horendous and offensive and misinformed/completely incorrect crap is applicable to the post, but it is. Very much so.
I asked the age of your daughter at emancipation, genius, because that is when she was legally declared able to be responsible for herself. Yet this 16 year old is, in your opinion, not. Hypocrisy? Again? But no. You'd much rather have a tantrum than understand the simple link there.
You've admitted to wigz that you were wrong in your shaming and completely fucked up attack on this kid. So don't even try to tell me I'm wrong, when she and I were saying the exact same fucking thing.
Why don't you post to the OP from now on, I don't even want to read your bullshit.
You've lied your ass of about 'raising' 40 kids, so, never having been a parent you really don't have anything upon which to base your crazy ideas but emotion.
I know you are wrong because you think a child should have the right of self determination, and in this case, a child with a less than stellar history of making good, intelligent decisions. You are being totally emotional without any regard for the welfare of the baby or her mother. There are some decisions that are the responsibility of the parent and what to do with this baby is one of them.
How is that any different from your current arrangement where you see my username and have an aneurysm, and become hellbent on disagreeing, without even reading what I say?
I don't care if you think I'm lying. Fact of the matter is, I am not the one desperate to brag about things on IIN. I am not the one who has created a whole identify around that one thing. I am not so pig headed that I think people exist just to target me. I am not so insane that I spew the bile you do. I don't know everything, but if I comment, I make sure it's something I know about. I don't attack a child based on next to no detail. I don't believe in violating human rights. And I'm not petty enough to jump at all your increasing typos and spelling errors.
You still never answered. How old was your daughter, with a history of making bad decisions, when she was declared legally a self responsible adult?
Can't answer without being a hypocrite? I thought so.
You say your are none of those things so I guess that only leaves a PMSing lying bitch.
My daughter was NEVER 'declared legally a self responsible adult'. You got that wrong too. You just get all emotional and make up shit like 'raising' 40 kids and misread (or miss-remember) shit.
Anyway keep trying, but you just ain't got the smarts, honey. You just don't.
But what I meant was, why is it all the girl's fault? You're sitting here calling her names and going on about how much of a piece of shit she is. No mention of the male involved.
You called her a slut, stupid and other insults. That's totally uncalled for, and you're shaming her and her only. Shaming is of no use anyway but if you're going to do it why is it only directed at her? The guy is half culpable here too.
You are absolutely right and I was quite wrong to say that about the girl.
Unfortunately, I lose it when that fucking cunt charli sticks her pms derived comments in where they aren't wanted or appreciated. Ever notice how her attacks are almost exactly 3 weeks apart? She needs to direct her comments to the OP, not me.
I really am sorry to have said that about the girl, but that doesn't change what I feel would be best for her and her child.
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Children are not capable of making certain decisions and apparently this particular girl has very poor judgement. Is that someone you would want deciding her own future, let alone the future of a child she will not be able to care for without assistance? Really?
Now you are just being ugly because you want to put me down. You can't possibly believe the shit you wrote above. I do not believe you are that ignorant, I just don't.
It's not like this is some love child with two loving parents and the support of both families, is it?
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16 is not 12 - which according to you is old enough to know all about prostitution.
I have no clue how I could possibly NOT believe what I said. It's quite straightforward. I'm against violating a child's rights and probably fucking them up so severely that they in turn fuck up further and bigger in the future.
They used to forcibly take babies away from young, unmarried mothers. There's lots of indications that it severely traumatised both mothers and children.
You have advocated drugging and forcing what can be a traumatic (physically and emotionally) procedure. Destroying the relationship between the authoritarian dictator parent and the child who made a mistake. Fucking that kid up further. I also strongly doubt you could find someone willing to provide such a service. No medical practitioner with an ounce of ethics, anyway.
Perhaps a child at sixteen, with no support, would fuck her up, yes. But you don't know this individual, nor do I. And your "solution" is inhumane and, frankly, evil. I'm no pro lifer, but forcing abortion is fucking disgusting.
Children are not possessions. They are humans. They have rights. Sixteen is old enough to know better, according to you (and i would actually agree there - though your abstinence fix-all has been proven not to work, and is in fact more damaging - but too young to make decisions...you can't have it both ways there.
The step father is not under the same obligation as the girl's parents to support her. But support is precisely what she needs, and presumably what she didn't have, seeing as she is now in this situation.
I see you said nothing about your own "ungovernable" child. I also see you making comments elsewhere about others being unable to "control" their wife or daughter. People arent property to be controlled.
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Your arguments are silly little girl dreams of prince charming and they live happily ever after.
Life isn't like that. Nobody who must live their life on government assistance feels good about it. Their child can't have too much pride in living that way. None of that is conducive to good mental health and at least in the US, often leads to alcohol, drug and physical abuse. You know that. And very often the cycle continues when the baby also has a child while still a child herself. You know that's true, too. There is no obligation to keep the child. The welfare of the baby should be paramount. And that is not going to be served by having an uneducated single parent on the dole.
My child raising decisions are not applicable. My daughter did not get pregnant until last year, as a mature, married woman.
But my question to you is why you even bother to respond to my posts? Is it only to be an asshole? Why not make your opinions known to the OP? He at least asked for people's opinion. I did not ask for yours.
Most of the time what you say doesn't make the tiniest bit of sense. It seems to be all female emotional drivel, like you are on your period every time you decide to attack me. Is that what's really going on here? You are silent for weeks at a time then bang, here you are in your PMS mode!
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Cheap, misogynistic shots, when I've already explained to you that many a time I see you say something so completely misinformed, outright ludicrous, or just plain evil that I correct you. I know you can't understand that I don't see these horrific statements you probably make on an hourly basis, but I only see whatever you write on post I actually look at; I don't have the inclination or stomach to stalk your profile. I also know you can't understand that opposing your horendous and offensive and misinformed/completely incorrect crap is applicable to the post, but it is. Very much so.
I asked the age of your daughter at emancipation, genius, because that is when she was legally declared able to be responsible for herself. Yet this 16 year old is, in your opinion, not. Hypocrisy? Again? But no. You'd much rather have a tantrum than understand the simple link there.
You've admitted to wigz that you were wrong in your shaming and completely fucked up attack on this kid. So don't even try to tell me I'm wrong, when she and I were saying the exact same fucking thing.
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Why don't you post to the OP from now on, I don't even want to read your bullshit.
You've lied your ass of about 'raising' 40 kids, so, never having been a parent you really don't have anything upon which to base your crazy ideas but emotion.
I know you are wrong because you think a child should have the right of self determination, and in this case, a child with a less than stellar history of making good, intelligent decisions. You are being totally emotional without any regard for the welfare of the baby or her mother. There are some decisions that are the responsibility of the parent and what to do with this baby is one of them.
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How is that any different from your current arrangement where you see my username and have an aneurysm, and become hellbent on disagreeing, without even reading what I say?
I don't care if you think I'm lying. Fact of the matter is, I am not the one desperate to brag about things on IIN. I am not the one who has created a whole identify around that one thing. I am not so pig headed that I think people exist just to target me. I am not so insane that I spew the bile you do. I don't know everything, but if I comment, I make sure it's something I know about. I don't attack a child based on next to no detail. I don't believe in violating human rights. And I'm not petty enough to jump at all your increasing typos and spelling errors.
You still never answered. How old was your daughter, with a history of making bad decisions, when she was declared legally a self responsible adult?
Can't answer without being a hypocrite? I thought so.
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You say your are none of those things so I guess that only leaves a PMSing lying bitch.
My daughter was NEVER 'declared legally a self responsible adult'. You got that wrong too. You just get all emotional and make up shit like 'raising' 40 kids and misread (or miss-remember) shit.
Anyway keep trying, but you just ain't got the smarts, honey. You just don't.
Sorry sweetie, you'll have to leave the fight to the other women. Our dubious sailor friend does indeed have your number. :-(
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Apparently he's not in the picture. At least he wasn't mentioned. Didn't you bother to read the post?
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OP mentioned him in a reply.
But what I meant was, why is it all the girl's fault? You're sitting here calling her names and going on about how much of a piece of shit she is. No mention of the male involved.
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Because she is the one stuck with the baby, that's all. A guy can split and be Scott free, the girl can't.
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You called her a slut, stupid and other insults. That's totally uncalled for, and you're shaming her and her only. Shaming is of no use anyway but if you're going to do it why is it only directed at her? The guy is half culpable here too.
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You are absolutely right and I was quite wrong to say that about the girl.
Unfortunately, I lose it when that fucking cunt charli sticks her pms derived comments in where they aren't wanted or appreciated. Ever notice how her attacks are almost exactly 3 weeks apart? She needs to direct her comments to the OP, not me.
I really am sorry to have said that about the girl, but that doesn't change what I feel would be best for her and her child.
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