"A murderer can go about killing people with zero risk to his own life."
You do know what cops are for, right? If you ban guns your country won't degenerate into lawlessness. Otherwise, the US would have a much lower crime rate compared to other countries.
It's true that criminals will be able to get guns, but it'll be way harder for them. The average criminal won't go around killing civilians, that's not profitable. Only lunatics do that. Those psycho's are civilians most of the time, so they don't have much access to illegal circuits.
If I recall it right, Bill Clinton once made a ten year law in the US where people weren't allowed to buy heavy firearms anymore. Cops were thrilled, since street gangs had a lot less firepower that way. So it does have a positive effect on street violence
But then the law expired, president Bush was pressured by gun lobbies so he wouldn't prolong it. As a result, crime rates went through the roof again.
When seconds matter, police are only minutes away. The average police response time is about 10 minutes. Lots of crime can take place in that amount of time.
"It's true that criminals will be able to get guns, but it'll be way harder for them."
Not necessarily. There are millions of guns already on the black market. Unlike drugs, each individual gun can be used tens if not hundreds of thousands of times. Also, the majority of gun crimes are committed by people with violent criminal records, so they aren't allowed to buy guns legally anyway.
"If I recall it right, Bill Clinton once made a ten year law in the US where people weren't allowed to buy heavy firearms anymore."
You do not recall it right. The bill banned "assault weapons," which are defined based on cosmetic features and not actual fire rate or round size. Most of them happened to be .223's. In fact, these guns fire rounds that are among the smallest and least powerful rifle rounds out there. A deer hunting rifle makes the .223 look like a slingshot.
The ban expired and was never renewed because it had no measurable effect on gun violence.
When you get rid of guns we still have knives. In fact a man tried to chop up a bunch of 6 year olds with a machete. Clearly no more guns is not going to stop the idiot with a machete.
Guns should be regulated not banned. Also simply banning guns is not going to stop crime.
Anything can be used as a weapon. Even a kitchen knife. Now if you start removing kitchen knives what goes next? Pencils? Now doesn't this sound like it has the potential of rolling out of control? Or maybe bats for things like baseball or cricket. Pretty sure you can kill someone with one of those. Oh and dont forget bombs. Which terrorists make out of household products.
So what else are you going to ban? If you really want to make sure people are safe you are going to have to take away a lot.
Anything flammable, anything sharp, anything that can be used to make a bomb, anything electronic, anything too heavy, everything you can find a carpenter holding, canes that old people use, most sports gear.
Yes some of this stuff is dangerous but how are we going to live? Oh and not to mention all meat factories must be shut down. You really expect us to function after that? We cant even fish if you take fishhooks away. Well maybe with catfish where you fish by letting them eat your arm.
So yeah the idea behind banning guns is incredibly unreasonable. Since we cant function if you take away every little thing that might create a possible danger.
Some stuff is dangerous. We need said things to function as we do. What are we going to go cat fishing, eat an entire fish every-time we eat since we cant cut it with forks or knives.
So yeah anyone who says yes clearly has not thought any of this through. That being said a gun held by someone untrained is very dangerous. So you should have a license if you own one.
Also not having a gun does not mean the rest of the world is going to follow this. If you have 3 country's that say "No gun" and a 4th that invades with machine guns you are all pretty fucked right?
If you really have the idea to make people "Safer" you have to look at everything. People are missing the bigger picture when they say guns kill. If I can kill you with a gun I can kill you with a bat or a knife.
Sure guns make it easier but simply removing the guns does not remove someone ability to kill. If someone is smart enough they will find a way. In fact in prison people make knives and shit out of spoons. Do you think those people have guns? No probably not.. but I would bet you anything they probably still have the ability to kill you.
Instead of simply noticing guns. Why not notice that their is crime period. Take the man from the jungle and you are not taking the jungle from the man. If you move a killer away from a gun he is still a killer. He still can find a way to kill you. As safe as you illusion yourself into thinking you are. He can still find a way. So we have to look at the big picture not one tiny little aspect and ignore everything else.
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"A murderer can go about killing people with zero risk to his own life."
You do know what cops are for, right? If you ban guns your country won't degenerate into lawlessness. Otherwise, the US would have a much lower crime rate compared to other countries.
It's true that criminals will be able to get guns, but it'll be way harder for them. The average criminal won't go around killing civilians, that's not profitable. Only lunatics do that. Those psycho's are civilians most of the time, so they don't have much access to illegal circuits.
If I recall it right, Bill Clinton once made a ten year law in the US where people weren't allowed to buy heavy firearms anymore. Cops were thrilled, since street gangs had a lot less firepower that way. So it does have a positive effect on street violence
But then the law expired, president Bush was pressured by gun lobbies so he wouldn't prolong it. As a result, crime rates went through the roof again.
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"You do know what cops are for, right?"
When seconds matter, police are only minutes away. The average police response time is about 10 minutes. Lots of crime can take place in that amount of time.
"It's true that criminals will be able to get guns, but it'll be way harder for them."
Not necessarily. There are millions of guns already on the black market. Unlike drugs, each individual gun can be used tens if not hundreds of thousands of times. Also, the majority of gun crimes are committed by people with violent criminal records, so they aren't allowed to buy guns legally anyway.
"If I recall it right, Bill Clinton once made a ten year law in the US where people weren't allowed to buy heavy firearms anymore."
You do not recall it right. The bill banned "assault weapons," which are defined based on cosmetic features and not actual fire rate or round size. Most of them happened to be .223's. In fact, these guns fire rounds that are among the smallest and least powerful rifle rounds out there. A deer hunting rifle makes the .223 look like a slingshot.
The ban expired and was never renewed because it had no measurable effect on gun violence.
When you get rid of guns we still have knives. In fact a man tried to chop up a bunch of 6 year olds with a machete. Clearly no more guns is not going to stop the idiot with a machete.
Guns should be regulated not banned. Also simply banning guns is not going to stop crime.
Anything can be used as a weapon. Even a kitchen knife. Now if you start removing kitchen knives what goes next? Pencils? Now doesn't this sound like it has the potential of rolling out of control? Or maybe bats for things like baseball or cricket. Pretty sure you can kill someone with one of those. Oh and dont forget bombs. Which terrorists make out of household products.
So what else are you going to ban? If you really want to make sure people are safe you are going to have to take away a lot.
Anything flammable, anything sharp, anything that can be used to make a bomb, anything electronic, anything too heavy, everything you can find a carpenter holding, canes that old people use, most sports gear.
Yes some of this stuff is dangerous but how are we going to live? Oh and not to mention all meat factories must be shut down. You really expect us to function after that? We cant even fish if you take fishhooks away. Well maybe with catfish where you fish by letting them eat your arm.
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So yeah the idea behind banning guns is incredibly unreasonable. Since we cant function if you take away every little thing that might create a possible danger.
Some stuff is dangerous. We need said things to function as we do. What are we going to go cat fishing, eat an entire fish every-time we eat since we cant cut it with forks or knives.
So yeah anyone who says yes clearly has not thought any of this through. That being said a gun held by someone untrained is very dangerous. So you should have a license if you own one.
Also not having a gun does not mean the rest of the world is going to follow this. If you have 3 country's that say "No gun" and a 4th that invades with machine guns you are all pretty fucked right?
If you really have the idea to make people "Safer" you have to look at everything. People are missing the bigger picture when they say guns kill. If I can kill you with a gun I can kill you with a bat or a knife.
Sure guns make it easier but simply removing the guns does not remove someone ability to kill. If someone is smart enough they will find a way. In fact in prison people make knives and shit out of spoons. Do you think those people have guns? No probably not.. but I would bet you anything they probably still have the ability to kill you.
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Instead of simply noticing guns. Why not notice that their is crime period. Take the man from the jungle and you are not taking the jungle from the man. If you move a killer away from a gun he is still a killer. He still can find a way to kill you. As safe as you illusion yourself into thinking you are. He can still find a way. So we have to look at the big picture not one tiny little aspect and ignore everything else.