Yeah, but don't you think that's the police's job? I mean, in a shootout, everyone is panicking. It's often not completely clear who the assailant is, especially if multiple people are carrying a gun. I'm afraid that it makes things spiral out of control even faster. IMO, you should leave that kind of stuff to the police.
If you do get attacked, your odds are way better if you flee than if you fight.
Of course its the police job, but it takes the police about 5 to 10 minutes to arrive, while the situation might be a matter of live and death decided in seconds. If its a one on one situation, and the other person runs faster, you got no chance. If a man tries to rape a woman, a man generally runs faster than a woman. Of course never draw a gun if you got other choice, but in the end its the great equalizer. The perpetrator will have a gun regardless of the law, its the victim who would have worse chance to protect themselves. I live in Israel and many people here have guns, that's why there would never be such shooting in cinema, the perpetrator would get shot within seconds. I know in sitcoms there are many situations where the perpetrator breaks into a house and use the family gun against them, but in real life things are different.
There should really be more statistics about this.
In an ideal world, people would handle their guns responsibly. But it's just not like that. In your example, if the woman uses her gun she might miss him and hit an innocent bystander. Or worse, the criminal might see her gun, panic and kill her.
The perpetrator will not have a gun regardless of the law. They'd be a lot harder to come by, and unable to attain if you haven't got the proper connections. The ordinary rapist doesn't have any criminal connections.
I still believe that carrying a gun increases your risk of getting shot yourself. Sure, the police needs some time to get to the scene of the crime, but it's still safer than giving everyone a gun. Ordinary people panic in such situations, and that's when the shit starts hitting the ventilation system.
In an ideal world there would be no need for guns, but its not like that. Before receiving a gun you undergo some training in using a firearm, and if you're not blind and don't have Parkinson's disease its impossible to miss the rapist who is a couple of meters away from you or even closer, if he is farther than that you can always point a gun at him to make him stop, at closer range you can't take that risk because he might just snatch the gun, therefor you must fire a shot to subdue him. Also it is very unlikely that an innocent bystander will be nearby, the rapists try to attack a woman when she is alone, not when there are people around to help her. Seeing a gun pointing at you doesn't make you panic and jump, it makes you freeze in place because you realize very fast that if you make the wrong move this might be the last thing you ever see.
Drugs are illegal almost anywhere in the world, tell me honestly, is there any trouble acquiring them for any school kid who got a little money? While guns are sold legally at least there is some regulation and the organized crime can't can a part in it, but just like with the prohibition, as soon as guns become illegal the black market will start trading them, selling them without any regulations to anyone with money, some guns would be manufactured in underground factories and of course would have very poor safety mechanism to save on the production cost, not to mention the crime war over who controls this area.
The police can get to the scene of the crime once the crime have been committed, they will examine your body, and maybe later find the guy who murdered you or raped you, I fail to see how this would help you. Do you think a woman describing her rapist to the police is really better off than a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet? Criminals, unless they are professional assassins, usually attack those who they believe are defenseless, they are much less likely to attack a person if they think this person might shoot them.
You gave me some hypothetical theories, I can give you two examples that happened to two women I personally know, I already told this story here before, one woman who refuse to carry a gun, and she was raped, and another who always carry a gun and two men tried to rape her, one is dead, another one is in prison. Turns out its much easier for the police to locate a guy who is bleeding on the floor, the guy who raped the first girl was never found and probably raped other women.
Of course I agree that there should be strict regulations upon giving people guns. Every person must undergo a psychological evaluation, have decent vision and get proper training in handling a gun. In the world we live in you can't count on someone else to protect you, you must always be able to protect yourself, the police can only try to punish the criminal after they committed the crime.
It's way easier to get a hold of drugs than it is to get a hold of guns. Those school kids you're talking about might carry some weed, but it's not like they're dealing in AK's
I am not talking about combat equipment, but a handgun is just as easy to obtain illegally as it is to obtain weed, and as soon as it will become illegal there would be even more money in it for the organized crime, which in turn will make the handgun even more available. I'm not talking about it from a sensitive point of view but rather from a logical one. Pepper spray and stun guns are ineffective from range or if there is more then one perpetrator, and would be useless. Of course they are much better alternative when effective and I do believe that a gun should be used only when there is no other way, never have an easy finger on the trigger, its not something to be used on a daily basis and hopefully not ever in your life, but if that moment does come, you better be ready for it. In the end its better to stand trial than rest in peace.
Wait, what? So you don't want gun control because that'd make handguns more available?
Pepperspray isn't useless when there are multiple perpetrators. If there are multiple criminals surrounding you, and you draw a gun, you're even more likely to get shot yourself. I still think pepperspray would be safer in such a situation. As long as you use non-lethal force they're unlikely to kill you. Once you draw a gun, they'll do whatever it takes to stop you from firing it.
Well, this is probably sensitive matter to you, because of the personal experiences. I only used the rape example when you brought it up. But don't you think that you could get the same degree of protection from pepperspray and a stun gun? It's non-lethal, so you don't risk getting a life sentence for using it.
What's your opinion on gun control?
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Yeah, but don't you think that's the police's job? I mean, in a shootout, everyone is panicking. It's often not completely clear who the assailant is, especially if multiple people are carrying a gun. I'm afraid that it makes things spiral out of control even faster. IMO, you should leave that kind of stuff to the police.
If you do get attacked, your odds are way better if you flee than if you fight.
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Of course its the police job, but it takes the police about 5 to 10 minutes to arrive, while the situation might be a matter of live and death decided in seconds. If its a one on one situation, and the other person runs faster, you got no chance. If a man tries to rape a woman, a man generally runs faster than a woman. Of course never draw a gun if you got other choice, but in the end its the great equalizer. The perpetrator will have a gun regardless of the law, its the victim who would have worse chance to protect themselves. I live in Israel and many people here have guns, that's why there would never be such shooting in cinema, the perpetrator would get shot within seconds. I know in sitcoms there are many situations where the perpetrator breaks into a house and use the family gun against them, but in real life things are different.
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There should really be more statistics about this.
In an ideal world, people would handle their guns responsibly. But it's just not like that. In your example, if the woman uses her gun she might miss him and hit an innocent bystander. Or worse, the criminal might see her gun, panic and kill her.
The perpetrator will not have a gun regardless of the law. They'd be a lot harder to come by, and unable to attain if you haven't got the proper connections. The ordinary rapist doesn't have any criminal connections.
I still believe that carrying a gun increases your risk of getting shot yourself. Sure, the police needs some time to get to the scene of the crime, but it's still safer than giving everyone a gun. Ordinary people panic in such situations, and that's when the shit starts hitting the ventilation system.
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In an ideal world there would be no need for guns, but its not like that. Before receiving a gun you undergo some training in using a firearm, and if you're not blind and don't have Parkinson's disease its impossible to miss the rapist who is a couple of meters away from you or even closer, if he is farther than that you can always point a gun at him to make him stop, at closer range you can't take that risk because he might just snatch the gun, therefor you must fire a shot to subdue him. Also it is very unlikely that an innocent bystander will be nearby, the rapists try to attack a woman when she is alone, not when there are people around to help her. Seeing a gun pointing at you doesn't make you panic and jump, it makes you freeze in place because you realize very fast that if you make the wrong move this might be the last thing you ever see.
Drugs are illegal almost anywhere in the world, tell me honestly, is there any trouble acquiring them for any school kid who got a little money? While guns are sold legally at least there is some regulation and the organized crime can't can a part in it, but just like with the prohibition, as soon as guns become illegal the black market will start trading them, selling them without any regulations to anyone with money, some guns would be manufactured in underground factories and of course would have very poor safety mechanism to save on the production cost, not to mention the crime war over who controls this area.
The police can get to the scene of the crime once the crime have been committed, they will examine your body, and maybe later find the guy who murdered you or raped you, I fail to see how this would help you. Do you think a woman describing her rapist to the police is really better off than a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet? Criminals, unless they are professional assassins, usually attack those who they believe are defenseless, they are much less likely to attack a person if they think this person might shoot them.
You gave me some hypothetical theories, I can give you two examples that happened to two women I personally know, I already told this story here before, one woman who refuse to carry a gun, and she was raped, and another who always carry a gun and two men tried to rape her, one is dead, another one is in prison. Turns out its much easier for the police to locate a guy who is bleeding on the floor, the guy who raped the first girl was never found and probably raped other women.
Of course I agree that there should be strict regulations upon giving people guns. Every person must undergo a psychological evaluation, have decent vision and get proper training in handling a gun. In the world we live in you can't count on someone else to protect you, you must always be able to protect yourself, the police can only try to punish the criminal after they committed the crime.
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Oh yeah, also, about the drugs:
It's way easier to get a hold of drugs than it is to get a hold of guns. Those school kids you're talking about might carry some weed, but it's not like they're dealing in AK's
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What's easier to carry in a pocket?
A bag of weed or an AK?
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A bag of weed. That's another reason why you'll find more drug dealers than weapon dealers.
I am not talking about combat equipment, but a handgun is just as easy to obtain illegally as it is to obtain weed, and as soon as it will become illegal there would be even more money in it for the organized crime, which in turn will make the handgun even more available. I'm not talking about it from a sensitive point of view but rather from a logical one. Pepper spray and stun guns are ineffective from range or if there is more then one perpetrator, and would be useless. Of course they are much better alternative when effective and I do believe that a gun should be used only when there is no other way, never have an easy finger on the trigger, its not something to be used on a daily basis and hopefully not ever in your life, but if that moment does come, you better be ready for it. In the end its better to stand trial than rest in peace.
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Wait, what? So you don't want gun control because that'd make handguns more available?
Pepperspray isn't useless when there are multiple perpetrators. If there are multiple criminals surrounding you, and you draw a gun, you're even more likely to get shot yourself. I still think pepperspray would be safer in such a situation. As long as you use non-lethal force they're unlikely to kill you. Once you draw a gun, they'll do whatever it takes to stop you from firing it.
Well, this is probably sensitive matter to you, because of the personal experiences. I only used the rape example when you brought it up. But don't you think that you could get the same degree of protection from pepperspray and a stun gun? It's non-lethal, so you don't risk getting a life sentence for using it.