You didn't have to elaborate. I sincerely apologize if I'm wrong, but let's be real here; you voted for Trump. Your former trans friend didn't ghost you for voting for Biden. It would be absurd for me to presume it was anyone besides the guy who infamously, actively tried to take rights away from them. If you didn't vote for Trump, inform me and I'll adjust accordingly (and likely think your former friend is insane).
At any rate I haven't tried to shame you for your political views anyway; I merely said I can understand why they would be grounds to terminate a friendship when they're not compatible with your former friend's best interests. If you don't see how you they are, it's likely about to come up on the other thread.
I'm not sure why I'm a snowflake. Surely saying slavery is wrong wasn't overly bleeding heart. I know, or at least certainly thought, we were absolutely on the same page about slavery. Other than that all I did was state demonstrable facts so I don't understand what's so snowflake-like here.
I think that bringing up slavery/civil rights and women's rights was a very cheap shot on your part, because those things are not the same as the transgendered issues of today, and you know it!
I also want to take this opportunity to point out that the enslavement of African people brought to the Americas was not the only historical instance of slavery. Additionally, I want to bring to light the fact that slavery has not been eradicated worldwide. Unfortunately, slavery still exists. If you for one moment think that I'm okay with slavery then you need to have your head examined!
I went with the enslavement of Africans in the United States because it's an issue we handled here and we're now discussing a modern matter of human rights in the same country.
"--and you know it!"
No, I absolutely do not know it. It's actually perplexing to me how those who oppose trans rights don't see the parallels. Honestly, even if I didn't personally support trans people, I would probably act as if I did to prevent looking foolish in case I was quoted in a book in the distant future. We dealt with women's and African American rights, we're dealing with homosexual rights, and it's as clear as day that trans rights are just the next stop on this train's trajectory.
There's still much work to be done in the former three areas as well but everyone knows what the trend is. Things are improving and no one can stop it. Progressives always win in the end because times, well, progress. That's the arrow of time.
Honestly, being on the wrong the side of the trans rights movement is like failing an open notes test. We have history to learn from. There's absolutely no doubt that a century from now people who opposed them are going to look exactly like people who said African Americans are fine but should use a different water fountain and women are fine but should never hold office because they might start a war on their period (even though every war has been started by men). Do you really want to look like those people in the future? Because that _is_ the future. This is happening.
Well, I don't see the so called trans rights that your talking about as being the same as the importance of abolishing slavery, the importance of the civil rights of black people, and or the the rights of women.
You want to talk about the future, well build yourself a time machine, and get back to me on it. What if two hundred years in the future it is scientifically proven that all your assumptions, and beliefs about transgenderism are proven to be untrue? What if in the future the opposite of what you believe is scientifically proven to be true?
You're free to be as progressive as you want to be, and other are still free to not be.
"Well, I don't see the so called trans rights that your talking about as being the same as the importance of abolishing slavery, the importance of the civil rights of black people, and or the the rights of women."
I'm aware of this. The last thing I'm doing is accusing you of supporting trans rights. Your position is clear.
What if what exactly is scientifically proven to be true? That there's no genetic basis for gender dysphoria? Nothing changes. That's what, because of this simple fact: It simply does not matter; it's their choice, it hurts no one, and it's utterly ridiculously to step so far out of one's lane so as to have a problem with it. That said, twin studies already suggest there's a genetic basis for it.
The difference between my predictions regarding the future and your apparent predictions thereof is that mine are supported by history. The best way to predict the future is measuring the difference between the past and present. This is what we do with our eyes when tracking a ball so as to determine where the ball will be in the future and subsequently position our hands in anticipation. I'm going to catch the ball. Those who aren't paying attention to where it's going are going to either run the wrong way, or worse, get hit by it.
And yes, of course that's your choice to make, mostly due to freedoms you've already been afforded by the sort of work the progressive side is doing today.
Whatever, you're free to believe whatever you want. I don't owe anything to modern progressives. If I owe a debt of gratitude to anyone it's to first, and second wave Feminists. You really just need to let it go, man, cause I'm tired of playing this debate game with you, and I've been more than patient.
That's just another way of saying you owe something to progressives until you felt your cause was sufficiently handled and now let's forget everyone else and condemn them.
What's everyone's thoughts on trans people?
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You didn't have to elaborate. I sincerely apologize if I'm wrong, but let's be real here; you voted for Trump. Your former trans friend didn't ghost you for voting for Biden. It would be absurd for me to presume it was anyone besides the guy who infamously, actively tried to take rights away from them. If you didn't vote for Trump, inform me and I'll adjust accordingly (and likely think your former friend is insane).
At any rate I haven't tried to shame you for your political views anyway; I merely said I can understand why they would be grounds to terminate a friendship when they're not compatible with your former friend's best interests. If you don't see how you they are, it's likely about to come up on the other thread.
I'm not sure why I'm a snowflake. Surely saying slavery is wrong wasn't overly bleeding heart. I know, or at least certainly thought, we were absolutely on the same page about slavery. Other than that all I did was state demonstrable facts so I don't understand what's so snowflake-like here.
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I think that bringing up slavery/civil rights and women's rights was a very cheap shot on your part, because those things are not the same as the transgendered issues of today, and you know it!
I also want to take this opportunity to point out that the enslavement of African people brought to the Americas was not the only historical instance of slavery. Additionally, I want to bring to light the fact that slavery has not been eradicated worldwide. Unfortunately, slavery still exists. If you for one moment think that I'm okay with slavery then you need to have your head examined!
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I went with the enslavement of Africans in the United States because it's an issue we handled here and we're now discussing a modern matter of human rights in the same country.
"--and you know it!"
No, I absolutely do not know it. It's actually perplexing to me how those who oppose trans rights don't see the parallels. Honestly, even if I didn't personally support trans people, I would probably act as if I did to prevent looking foolish in case I was quoted in a book in the distant future. We dealt with women's and African American rights, we're dealing with homosexual rights, and it's as clear as day that trans rights are just the next stop on this train's trajectory.
There's still much work to be done in the former three areas as well but everyone knows what the trend is. Things are improving and no one can stop it. Progressives always win in the end because times, well, progress. That's the arrow of time.
Honestly, being on the wrong the side of the trans rights movement is like failing an open notes test. We have history to learn from. There's absolutely no doubt that a century from now people who opposed them are going to look exactly like people who said African Americans are fine but should use a different water fountain and women are fine but should never hold office because they might start a war on their period (even though every war has been started by men). Do you really want to look like those people in the future? Because that _is_ the future. This is happening.
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Well, I don't see the so called trans rights that your talking about as being the same as the importance of abolishing slavery, the importance of the civil rights of black people, and or the the rights of women.
You want to talk about the future, well build yourself a time machine, and get back to me on it. What if two hundred years in the future it is scientifically proven that all your assumptions, and beliefs about transgenderism are proven to be untrue? What if in the future the opposite of what you believe is scientifically proven to be true?
You're free to be as progressive as you want to be, and other are still free to not be.
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"Well, I don't see the so called trans rights that your talking about as being the same as the importance of abolishing slavery, the importance of the civil rights of black people, and or the the rights of women."
I'm aware of this. The last thing I'm doing is accusing you of supporting trans rights. Your position is clear.
What if what exactly is scientifically proven to be true? That there's no genetic basis for gender dysphoria? Nothing changes. That's what, because of this simple fact: It simply does not matter; it's their choice, it hurts no one, and it's utterly ridiculously to step so far out of one's lane so as to have a problem with it. That said, twin studies already suggest there's a genetic basis for it.
The difference between my predictions regarding the future and your apparent predictions thereof is that mine are supported by history. The best way to predict the future is measuring the difference between the past and present. This is what we do with our eyes when tracking a ball so as to determine where the ball will be in the future and subsequently position our hands in anticipation. I'm going to catch the ball. Those who aren't paying attention to where it's going are going to either run the wrong way, or worse, get hit by it.
And yes, of course that's your choice to make, mostly due to freedoms you've already been afforded by the sort of work the progressive side is doing today.
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Whatever, you're free to believe whatever you want. I don't owe anything to modern progressives. If I owe a debt of gratitude to anyone it's to first, and second wave Feminists. You really just need to let it go, man, cause I'm tired of playing this debate game with you, and I've been more than patient.
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That's just another way of saying you owe something to progressives until you felt your cause was sufficiently handled and now let's forget everyone else and condemn them.