None of you see the big picture. You assume everyone is going to be nice and dandy since they do not have any weapons. House wives still kill with knives. The fact is anything can be used as a weapon. So saying "They died since that kid had a gun" is a terrible argument. Why do you think the child killed? This was a plot in many of those cases. Now some idiot kid playing with a pistol and shoots his eye would be a great argument. Since that child should never have a gun. I do not believe in gun control not for the sake of guns. Just the fact it takes away peoples responsibilities. People blame everything on that. Maybe the school had that shooting coming. Every case it is kid who was beaten, laughed at, humiliated, picked on every day. Maybe the schools should protect the children apposed to letting them run around and beat each others like worthless little monsters. Maybe the school should pay attention. School should not be a jungle it should be a learning facility. Yet in many schools it is not.
I agree that children can be mean and I think there is a lack of care and attention for these bullied and miserable children that you speak of that needs to be improved. that might just be the tiny start of fixing this problem. However. How can you say that because of 1 individuals problems its okay for many innocent children to die? Many of which would have had nothing to do with the individuals problem anyway. Lets not forget the poor families of these children too. friends, and the community Did they also have it coming? the fact that you said that maby the school had the shooting coming makes me wonder if you are a troll and I'm just stupid for getting angry and biting
You think anyone actually paid enough attention for them not to hate themselves and the world? No they probobly ignored it or laughed. With the group mentality. They fallowed the crowd. You think every kid in the world is going to say "Hey leave them alone!" You really do not understand how most children work. Children will sacrifice morals to look good. Even if it means someone is being eaten by wolves. You think they care? If someone is being beaten in the middle of the room you think they will stop it? They will either walk away, watch or pretend nothing is going on.
Also do you think if the children were raised better they are going to let this happen? If the school stopped them from bullying someone to the piont they want to kill? So are you going to say killing in self defense need to be taken away? How about if someone was being raped everyday of his life and killed the people doing it is he bad? The child that was beaten everyday and he could do nothing so he killed them and took his own life. Is he bad? If this kid was beaten and ignored and ridiculed by everyone, mistreated and ignored. Do you think they want to live anymore? When they are forced to go back everyday to be beaten, hurt, laughed at? You think anyone wants that? You think anyone deserves that?
How is any part of this funny? You think the kids who shot up the schools are trolls? How about those cases of pedophile teachers? Have you looked into any of those? You really assume that a teacher can not abuse the job they are given? If a kid asks for help and is ignored you think it will not escalate? Children can not govern themselves. This happens when you ignore the issues.
Despite what you think about "people like me" whatever that means I don't think guns are the cause of all this violence. Believe me I have studied enough to know that there will always be violence and your right if there were no guns people will turn to as the example you used knives. However guns are capable of so much more than knives. If every shooter America has know was carrying a knive there would be less fatalaties (but still too many). So like you are saying it is a problem far beyond guns, BUT. Guns are still Allowing people to cause more death
I really do not want to live in a world you want to. I prefer not being stabbed everyday. That is a freighting world you must live in. Where everyone carries knives around ready to stab.
Your argument started off as a valid point on a hard and important issue. In my opinion it has lost all logic and reasoning or chance of a discussion of opinions.
Yes sorry I went way off topic. I am not really even talking about guns anymore. My point was simply that if you want to begin to say how to fix schools you can not just blame incident that should have never happened. If you really want to discuss fixing it you have to look at everything not that one little thing. Since that is not the key issues here. Since many things must operate together to run a school. Since these things would not happen if the kids were being supervised. It is like saying we must take away homework or the children will destroy us. You say guns need to be done?
We need a lot more done in schools to make them work better. Guns is not significant enough to blame the failure of school. It has nothing to do with bullying. It has nothing to do with teachers. It has nothing to do with grades. So that one little thing is not fixing anything in school regardless of it possibly repairing things elsewhere. So to act like that is going to completely going to fix the broken schools system is very far reaching. If you are going to talk about repairing school you have to think of everything. This is far more complicated. You can not simplify it so grossly. The structure of a school is not that simple.
The fact you simplify so much and think that would help is irritating. It would be nice if things worked so simply but it really does not. I know that probobly did not make any sense with my ranting and raving.
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None of you see the big picture. You assume everyone is going to be nice and dandy since they do not have any weapons. House wives still kill with knives. The fact is anything can be used as a weapon. So saying "They died since that kid had a gun" is a terrible argument. Why do you think the child killed? This was a plot in many of those cases. Now some idiot kid playing with a pistol and shoots his eye would be a great argument. Since that child should never have a gun. I do not believe in gun control not for the sake of guns. Just the fact it takes away peoples responsibilities. People blame everything on that. Maybe the school had that shooting coming. Every case it is kid who was beaten, laughed at, humiliated, picked on every day. Maybe the schools should protect the children apposed to letting them run around and beat each others like worthless little monsters. Maybe the school should pay attention. School should not be a jungle it should be a learning facility. Yet in many schools it is not.
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I agree that children can be mean and I think there is a lack of care and attention for these bullied and miserable children that you speak of that needs to be improved. that might just be the tiny start of fixing this problem. However. How can you say that because of 1 individuals problems its okay for many innocent children to die? Many of which would have had nothing to do with the individuals problem anyway. Lets not forget the poor families of these children too. friends, and the community Did they also have it coming? the fact that you said that maby the school had the shooting coming makes me wonder if you are a troll and I'm just stupid for getting angry and biting
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You think anyone actually paid enough attention for them not to hate themselves and the world? No they probobly ignored it or laughed. With the group mentality. They fallowed the crowd. You think every kid in the world is going to say "Hey leave them alone!" You really do not understand how most children work. Children will sacrifice morals to look good. Even if it means someone is being eaten by wolves. You think they care? If someone is being beaten in the middle of the room you think they will stop it? They will either walk away, watch or pretend nothing is going on.
Also do you think if the children were raised better they are going to let this happen? If the school stopped them from bullying someone to the piont they want to kill? So are you going to say killing in self defense need to be taken away? How about if someone was being raped everyday of his life and killed the people doing it is he bad? The child that was beaten everyday and he could do nothing so he killed them and took his own life. Is he bad? If this kid was beaten and ignored and ridiculed by everyone, mistreated and ignored. Do you think they want to live anymore? When they are forced to go back everyday to be beaten, hurt, laughed at? You think anyone wants that? You think anyone deserves that?
How is any part of this funny? You think the kids who shot up the schools are trolls? How about those cases of pedophile teachers? Have you looked into any of those? You really assume that a teacher can not abuse the job they are given? If a kid asks for help and is ignored you think it will not escalate? Children can not govern themselves. This happens when you ignore the issues.
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Did i laugh at any point? Did I call them trolls? bad troll is bad. Try harder
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Yes sorry I went way off topic. I am not really even talking about guns anymore. My point was simply that if you want to begin to say how to fix schools you can not just blame incident that should have never happened. If you really want to discuss fixing it you have to look at everything not that one little thing. Since that is not the key issues here. Since many things must operate together to run a school. Since these things would not happen if the kids were being supervised. It is like saying we must take away homework or the children will destroy us. You say guns need to be done?
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The fact you simplify so much and think that would help is irritating. It would be nice if things worked so simply but it really does not. I know that probobly did not make any sense with my ranting and raving.