Tobacco as it is produced today IS NOT FINE and if you get emphysema (as I have) or lung cancer you will learn that very quickly. It also damages the environment where it is grown because it's sprayed with poisons; rainforest is cut down to run the fires to cure it; child slave labour is used in its production and I haven't got to damage to other people's lungs ... need I go on.
I don't care what Jesus drank, alcohol can be abused, just as can heroin, cocaine, meth etc etc etc
Again those are lifestyle choices. And you repeated what i said, yes alcohol can be abused duh. But you can't hate the drink you hate the person that abuses the drink. That's their choice to excessively drink or smoke.
Also there are certain brand cigarettes that are "healthier" than some like for instance american spirit has no chemicals in it what so ever. They have vapor cigarettes that you can use as well to get nicotine.
And to compare alcohol to heroin is a fucking joke ok. Don't ever compare those again that was stupid.
That being said I'm sorry you have emphysema... But honestly its like saying guns kill people. When we all know guns don't kill people, people using the guns kill people obv.
Obviously illegal drugs are also lifestyle choices. I don't "hate" the drink or the drinkers: what I do hate is this trend so many people follow to use the word "hate" or "hater" when someone is merely disagreeing with them.
Yeah it's their choice, just as it was mine, but wouldn't you prefer it if your taxes didn't have to go on health care for someone who made such stupid choices? Ditto alcoholics, plus the cost of car accidents, violence and so on.
Is that the brand you smoke? I've never heard of it but I do know you're being conned by the tobacco company or you're conning yourself. Of course it has chemicals in it, maybe no "added" chemicals, but burning the tobacco creates the tar & releases the natural chemicals which cause cancer and emphysema. Vapor cigarettes are under close examination right now because there's no research (other than from the oh so trustworthy honest & reliable tobacco companies) about their health effects, and they're still banned here in Australia.
It's not stupid to compare alcohol to heroin: both are addictive drugs which cause health problems if used long term: in fact, pure heroin has very few physical effects whereas excessive alcohol useage will eventually cause damage to the liver and brain. Not a fucking joke at all, wouldn't you agree?
I think you're so busy defending your own drugs of choice, and in the case of cigarettes your brand of choice, that you can't accept proven scientific facts.
Yes all drugs are a lifestyle choice.
Like i said before most people have had alcohol in their life so there's no need to put it up there. Same with cigarettes, not a lot of people smoke but it's not something looked at as unusual if you get what I'm saying. At the end of the day, drugs do have useful benefits but it's the peoples fault for abusing them. Are they 100% healthy, hell no. But you're saying the ones that are legal aren't okay, and I'm saying they are. It's the people that abuse them that give them a bad name. Alcohol is responsible for a lot of deaths per year, usually because someone gets wasted and decides to drive and ends up killing themselves or someone else. Drugs aren't for everyone but you shouldn't ban alcohol or cigarettes because someone doesn't know how to handle themselves with them. I don't see it as the drugs are bad, i see it as the people who are choosing to do bad with alcohol. Does that make sense?
And alcohol and heroin aren't comparable at all because heroin is more potent and way more addicting. And also heroin is very easy to overdose off of. You can have a drink of alcohol and not become addicted, but most people who try heroin will become addicted. And i only say that because i know a couple people who have completely changed since trying that drug. And they were the ones saying they would never do heroin, or touch it ever again. And now they act/ look different and all their money goes to it. I barely see them because they literally sit on their ass all day because if they move too much they get sick and throw up. And with alcohol you can still function. So i guess i just don't think they should be compared at all.
Alcohol may have some useful benefits, but nicotine has none. You are still saying that legal drugs are ok and they are not. I wasn't suggesting banning anything because that doesn't work; however I am very glad that in this country smoking is banned in many public places and I wish it was banned everywhere that's public because of the effects of passive smoking on others.
You're right about the addictive qualities of heroin vs alcohol, although there are people who use heroin, don't get addicted and if they have the money to support the habit without committing crimes, function quite well, hold down jobs etc - admittedly a minority of heroin users. Using small amounts of alcohol is obviously ok but alcoholics who think they are functioning well are delusional.
I guess the test is the old one: does use of the drug (legal or illegal) adversely affect my relationships, my employment, my health and my finances and can I give it up easily? If yes to all those questions except no for the last one, the person is addicted.
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Tobacco as it is produced today IS NOT FINE and if you get emphysema (as I have) or lung cancer you will learn that very quickly. It also damages the environment where it is grown because it's sprayed with poisons; rainforest is cut down to run the fires to cure it; child slave labour is used in its production and I haven't got to damage to other people's lungs ... need I go on.
I don't care what Jesus drank, alcohol can be abused, just as can heroin, cocaine, meth etc etc etc
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Again those are lifestyle choices. And you repeated what i said, yes alcohol can be abused duh. But you can't hate the drink you hate the person that abuses the drink. That's their choice to excessively drink or smoke.
Also there are certain brand cigarettes that are "healthier" than some like for instance american spirit has no chemicals in it what so ever. They have vapor cigarettes that you can use as well to get nicotine.
And to compare alcohol to heroin is a fucking joke ok. Don't ever compare those again that was stupid.
That being said I'm sorry you have emphysema... But honestly its like saying guns kill people. When we all know guns don't kill people, people using the guns kill people obv.
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Obviously illegal drugs are also lifestyle choices. I don't "hate" the drink or the drinkers: what I do hate is this trend so many people follow to use the word "hate" or "hater" when someone is merely disagreeing with them.
Yeah it's their choice, just as it was mine, but wouldn't you prefer it if your taxes didn't have to go on health care for someone who made such stupid choices? Ditto alcoholics, plus the cost of car accidents, violence and so on.
Is that the brand you smoke? I've never heard of it but I do know you're being conned by the tobacco company or you're conning yourself. Of course it has chemicals in it, maybe no "added" chemicals, but burning the tobacco creates the tar & releases the natural chemicals which cause cancer and emphysema. Vapor cigarettes are under close examination right now because there's no research (other than from the oh so trustworthy honest & reliable tobacco companies) about their health effects, and they're still banned here in Australia.
It's not stupid to compare alcohol to heroin: both are addictive drugs which cause health problems if used long term: in fact, pure heroin has very few physical effects whereas excessive alcohol useage will eventually cause damage to the liver and brain. Not a fucking joke at all, wouldn't you agree?
I think you're so busy defending your own drugs of choice, and in the case of cigarettes your brand of choice, that you can't accept proven scientific facts.
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Yes all drugs are a lifestyle choice.
Like i said before most people have had alcohol in their life so there's no need to put it up there. Same with cigarettes, not a lot of people smoke but it's not something looked at as unusual if you get what I'm saying. At the end of the day, drugs do have useful benefits but it's the peoples fault for abusing them. Are they 100% healthy, hell no. But you're saying the ones that are legal aren't okay, and I'm saying they are. It's the people that abuse them that give them a bad name. Alcohol is responsible for a lot of deaths per year, usually because someone gets wasted and decides to drive and ends up killing themselves or someone else. Drugs aren't for everyone but you shouldn't ban alcohol or cigarettes because someone doesn't know how to handle themselves with them. I don't see it as the drugs are bad, i see it as the people who are choosing to do bad with alcohol. Does that make sense?
And alcohol and heroin aren't comparable at all because heroin is more potent and way more addicting. And also heroin is very easy to overdose off of. You can have a drink of alcohol and not become addicted, but most people who try heroin will become addicted. And i only say that because i know a couple people who have completely changed since trying that drug. And they were the ones saying they would never do heroin, or touch it ever again. And now they act/ look different and all their money goes to it. I barely see them because they literally sit on their ass all day because if they move too much they get sick and throw up. And with alcohol you can still function. So i guess i just don't think they should be compared at all.
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Alcohol may have some useful benefits, but nicotine has none. You are still saying that legal drugs are ok and they are not. I wasn't suggesting banning anything because that doesn't work; however I am very glad that in this country smoking is banned in many public places and I wish it was banned everywhere that's public because of the effects of passive smoking on others.
You're right about the addictive qualities of heroin vs alcohol, although there are people who use heroin, don't get addicted and if they have the money to support the habit without committing crimes, function quite well, hold down jobs etc - admittedly a minority of heroin users. Using small amounts of alcohol is obviously ok but alcoholics who think they are functioning well are delusional.
I guess the test is the old one: does use of the drug (legal or illegal) adversely affect my relationships, my employment, my health and my finances and can I give it up easily? If yes to all those questions except no for the last one, the person is addicted.