You are lumping yourself in with them by calling yourself a feminist. That kind of logic would be like someone calling themselves a member of Antifa and saying that it's a peaceful movement and everyone else in the group are crazy for condoning violence. It just doesn't work.
...what? That makes no sense. Of course Antifa is a peaceful movement, you don't get to blame them because they're attacked by fascists at their non-violent protests. That's like saying black people supported slavery since they were slaves. Does that make sense to you? Of course not.
If you like lumping groups together based on the words of the ones you select to represent that group, that's fine, as long as you do that for all groups. For example, that means every single person who calls themselves a Christian is a KKK member by your logic, since KKK members are vocal Christians.
Unfortunately for you, KKK members are very real and do in fact claim to represent Christianity, while the extreme feminists you talk about don't actually exist, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
Dictionary definition of feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
The crazy women who claim to be “feminists” and act like they want their sex to be superior, are not by definition feminists. If they aren’t fighting for EQUAL rights, they are NOT a feminist. They are feminazis. They are actually a minority, but it doesn’t seem that way because they are the loudest because they are either MENTALLY ILL or don’t know the definition of feminism.
All it takes is a quick google search for the definition to find out what feminism REALLY stands for. If you want equal rights, you are a feminist. If not, you are NOT a feminist. They people you are talking about aren’t even feminists no matter how much they claim to be.
Here’s an example: a person claims to be Christian, but doesn’t follow any Christian values, in fact they follow the opposite. Are they Christians? No.
Example number two: a person calls themselves a vegetarian, but occasionally eats fish. Are they a vegetarian? No. They are a pescatarian.
Final thought: if a person calls themselves a feminist, but isn’t an advocate for equal rights for both men and women, are they a feminist? No. Fucking duh.
Everyone needs to read the dictionary definition before using/calling themselves a certain word.
I always say “Respect the language you speak.” Which means don’t use words you don’t know. Don’t claim a certain word means something else when it’s literally in the dictionary saying it’s something completely different.
I just came up with another example.
Do you know WoahhVicky? The white girl who claims to be black? Is she black just because she claims to be? Fucking no. Of course not. Use common sense as well as dictionary definitions, please.
Feminism is technically "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." The problem arises when you start to dictate how to go about getting that equality. Most of those people you call "feminazis" do believe that there way is the only way to get equality. Feminism isn't one set ideologies. Anyone that believes that (1) Women are oppressed in a given society and (2) That change needs to occur, can label themselves a feminist. It would be like saying Islamic terrorists aren't actually Muslim because the majority of Muslims don't hold extremist views. It's a logical fallacy specifically referenced as the "no true Scotsman" or "appeal to purity" fallacy.
Another person that doesn’t respect English yet they choose to speak it. It’s in the dictionary. There is one definition. I even learned it in A.P. English.
Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the EQUALITY OF THE SEXES.
Feminazi = a RADICAL feminist.
Which to me means, out of control, insane, mental illness, etc.
The majority of feminists are not RADICAL.
The celebrities who are feminist are not RADICAL. Look up celebrities who are feminists and see if they talk about women being superior. They fucking don’t. Most feminists don’t. The media portrays us to all be fucking crazy but most of us aren’t. If you believe in equal rights YOURE A FUCKING FEMINIST.
I do respect the English language and apparently have a more comprehensive understanding than you do. English isn't black or white especially when it comes to heavily grey areas such as politics. Even in your chosen definition of "feminazi" it includes that they are a feminist. Just because they hold those extremist views doesn't mean that they aren't a feminist. Again you can't dictate how people want to get equality. Also again its a logical fallacy to use that argument.
Think about it like this, Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. both wanted equality for black people, but Malcom X used violence while Martin Luther King Jr. used peace. They both thought blacks should be equal and fought for that equality in two separate ways. In the end though Martin Luther King Jr.'s way ended up getting the publics attention due to the media portrayal. The media's portrayal is everything when it comes to getting change. If the media would have focused on Malcom X's violent ideologies then it probably would have taken a lot longer for that to occur.
The problem with the media is that they are going to hear whoever is the loudest. Whenever there is a feminist rally of substantial size the loudest people there are the "feminazis". Nothing you do is gonna change that. The only way that is gonna change is either the rest of the group distances themselves from the feminist label, which a lot of feminists have been doing, or be louder than them.
Okay, you say that the feminazis are still fighting for equality in their own way right? To my understanding, the feminazis are the ones claiming to be superior to men, no? If you’re claiming one sex is superior, is that equality?
The Westboro Baptist Church is Christian and they’re pretty loud right? Louder than the normal Christians? Should the remainder of the good Christians break away and call themselves something different? Hitler claimed his moment was Christian and he was loud as hell with all the people his group tortured, raped and murdered, does that mean the rest of the Christians should’ve broke away from that and started something new and called themselves something different? In my opinion, no. Just because some mentally deranged assholes are trying to pollute what you’re fighting for doesn’t mean the majority of the group is like that.
If I were a loud opinionated feminist in real life, I would get hell. I would still be called a man hater, so I keep it quiet. Rational ones are most likely to prove your opinion of feminism wrong by being quiet and respectful by saying “I’m a feminist and I don’t agree with your opinion of me.”
I remember one time I told my boyfriend just this one sentence “I’m a feminist.” That’s all I said. You know what he responded with? “Oh so you hate men. You’re a bitch.” and he was pissed just by me saying that. That’s why sane women aren’t more vocal.
All you have to do is google search respectable feminists, and you will fine tons. The loud ones may be the loudest and they’re not the majority. As you said with the Malcom X vs Martin Luther King statement, one was peaceful and one was violent. One worked and the other didn’t. The peaceful one is what the majority of feminists are. You say both Malcom and Martin were fighting for equality, but does killing white people represent equality for all races? I don’t think so. I think Malcom was a mentally deranged pissed off lunatic who lashed out because he thought the peaceful movement wouldn’t be good enough.
Just because there are a few bad eggs in the carton doesn’t mean you throw the entire carton of eggs away and get a new one, right? You just set the bad eggs aside and don’t pay attention to them. That’s what you should do.
And I don’t know what you consider loud, but to me it’s the ones with an audience that looks up to them.
But if you still disagree with me after all this, let’s say we agree to disagree. I respect your opinion but I’d like for you to respect mine and acknowledge that the loud ones are the minority and that there are plenty of respectable feminists in this world who are still fighting for what the movement was supposed to be.
Also acknowledge that there are radicals in every single group but no one tells them they need to break away and call themselves something different.
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You are lumping yourself in with them by calling yourself a feminist. That kind of logic would be like someone calling themselves a member of Antifa and saying that it's a peaceful movement and everyone else in the group are crazy for condoning violence. It just doesn't work.
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...what? That makes no sense. Of course Antifa is a peaceful movement, you don't get to blame them because they're attacked by fascists at their non-violent protests. That's like saying black people supported slavery since they were slaves. Does that make sense to you? Of course not.
If you like lumping groups together based on the words of the ones you select to represent that group, that's fine, as long as you do that for all groups. For example, that means every single person who calls themselves a Christian is a KKK member by your logic, since KKK members are vocal Christians.
Unfortunately for you, KKK members are very real and do in fact claim to represent Christianity, while the extreme feminists you talk about don't actually exist, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
I agree with @factcheck 110%
Dictionary definition of feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
The crazy women who claim to be “feminists” and act like they want their sex to be superior, are not by definition feminists. If they aren’t fighting for EQUAL rights, they are NOT a feminist. They are feminazis. They are actually a minority, but it doesn’t seem that way because they are the loudest because they are either MENTALLY ILL or don’t know the definition of feminism.
All it takes is a quick google search for the definition to find out what feminism REALLY stands for. If you want equal rights, you are a feminist. If not, you are NOT a feminist. They people you are talking about aren’t even feminists no matter how much they claim to be.
Here’s an example: a person claims to be Christian, but doesn’t follow any Christian values, in fact they follow the opposite. Are they Christians? No.
Example number two: a person calls themselves a vegetarian, but occasionally eats fish. Are they a vegetarian? No. They are a pescatarian.
Final thought: if a person calls themselves a feminist, but isn’t an advocate for equal rights for both men and women, are they a feminist? No. Fucking duh.
Everyone needs to read the dictionary definition before using/calling themselves a certain word.
I always say “Respect the language you speak.” Which means don’t use words you don’t know. Don’t claim a certain word means something else when it’s literally in the dictionary saying it’s something completely different.
I just came up with another example.
Do you know WoahhVicky? The white girl who claims to be black? Is she black just because she claims to be? Fucking no. Of course not. Use common sense as well as dictionary definitions, please.
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Feminism is technically "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." The problem arises when you start to dictate how to go about getting that equality. Most of those people you call "feminazis" do believe that there way is the only way to get equality. Feminism isn't one set ideologies. Anyone that believes that (1) Women are oppressed in a given society and (2) That change needs to occur, can label themselves a feminist. It would be like saying Islamic terrorists aren't actually Muslim because the majority of Muslims don't hold extremist views. It's a logical fallacy specifically referenced as the "no true Scotsman" or "appeal to purity" fallacy.
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Another person that doesn’t respect English yet they choose to speak it. It’s in the dictionary. There is one definition. I even learned it in A.P. English.
Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the EQUALITY OF THE SEXES.
Feminazi = a RADICAL feminist.
Which to me means, out of control, insane, mental illness, etc.
The majority of feminists are not RADICAL.
The celebrities who are feminist are not RADICAL. Look up celebrities who are feminists and see if they talk about women being superior. They fucking don’t. Most feminists don’t. The media portrays us to all be fucking crazy but most of us aren’t. If you believe in equal rights YOURE A FUCKING FEMINIST.
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I do respect the English language and apparently have a more comprehensive understanding than you do. English isn't black or white especially when it comes to heavily grey areas such as politics. Even in your chosen definition of "feminazi" it includes that they are a feminist. Just because they hold those extremist views doesn't mean that they aren't a feminist. Again you can't dictate how people want to get equality. Also again its a logical fallacy to use that argument.
Think about it like this, Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. both wanted equality for black people, but Malcom X used violence while Martin Luther King Jr. used peace. They both thought blacks should be equal and fought for that equality in two separate ways. In the end though Martin Luther King Jr.'s way ended up getting the publics attention due to the media portrayal. The media's portrayal is everything when it comes to getting change. If the media would have focused on Malcom X's violent ideologies then it probably would have taken a lot longer for that to occur.
The problem with the media is that they are going to hear whoever is the loudest. Whenever there is a feminist rally of substantial size the loudest people there are the "feminazis". Nothing you do is gonna change that. The only way that is gonna change is either the rest of the group distances themselves from the feminist label, which a lot of feminists have been doing, or be louder than them.
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Okay, you say that the feminazis are still fighting for equality in their own way right? To my understanding, the feminazis are the ones claiming to be superior to men, no? If you’re claiming one sex is superior, is that equality?
The Westboro Baptist Church is Christian and they’re pretty loud right? Louder than the normal Christians? Should the remainder of the good Christians break away and call themselves something different? Hitler claimed his moment was Christian and he was loud as hell with all the people his group tortured, raped and murdered, does that mean the rest of the Christians should’ve broke away from that and started something new and called themselves something different? In my opinion, no. Just because some mentally deranged assholes are trying to pollute what you’re fighting for doesn’t mean the majority of the group is like that.
If I were a loud opinionated feminist in real life, I would get hell. I would still be called a man hater, so I keep it quiet. Rational ones are most likely to prove your opinion of feminism wrong by being quiet and respectful by saying “I’m a feminist and I don’t agree with your opinion of me.”
I remember one time I told my boyfriend just this one sentence “I’m a feminist.” That’s all I said. You know what he responded with? “Oh so you hate men. You’re a bitch.” and he was pissed just by me saying that. That’s why sane women aren’t more vocal.
All you have to do is google search respectable feminists, and you will fine tons. The loud ones may be the loudest and they’re not the majority. As you said with the Malcom X vs Martin Luther King statement, one was peaceful and one was violent. One worked and the other didn’t. The peaceful one is what the majority of feminists are. You say both Malcom and Martin were fighting for equality, but does killing white people represent equality for all races? I don’t think so. I think Malcom was a mentally deranged pissed off lunatic who lashed out because he thought the peaceful movement wouldn’t be good enough.
Just because there are a few bad eggs in the carton doesn’t mean you throw the entire carton of eggs away and get a new one, right? You just set the bad eggs aside and don’t pay attention to them. That’s what you should do.
And I don’t know what you consider loud, but to me it’s the ones with an audience that looks up to them.
But if you still disagree with me after all this, let’s say we agree to disagree. I respect your opinion but I’d like for you to respect mine and acknowledge that the loud ones are the minority and that there are plenty of respectable feminists in this world who are still fighting for what the movement was supposed to be.
Also acknowledge that there are radicals in every single group but no one tells them they need to break away and call themselves something different.